Was Kind of Hoping for New Systems

I understand that we're getting our standard array of content and that it's going to fulfill the needs for a while, BUT I was also hoping for something new and previously unseen. I understand that if we're getting anything like that it'll be in the x.2 or later timeframe.

I guess in future I would like to see new systems at expansion launch instead of 6 months or more in.

It's also a little saddening that what we'll be getting is a refinement of what we've already seen. Field content is better than Island Sanctuary, but still looking for that new hook to get excited about.

Look at the bright side: you get to complain about not getting new content now, and then you get to complain about the new content when in comes in 7.X. It's a win-win!

what kind of new systems at launch would you like?

a lot of new systems are later so that noone has to feel pressured to rush through the story or lvling, it's also why savage is put on hold so people can enjoy themselves. course that is solely for end game content systems.

i will say some things do come in the expansion launch like the shared fate system, at least when its was originally introduced now its just like hunts something extra attached to the launch that is nice but not something players are super hyped for.

For system changes...

Graphics update
New raid planner in the game
Beast master
Viper
Pictomancer
Two dye slots
Save dye favorites
Specs as actual gear slots instead of fashion accessories
Ability to make blacklisted players disappear or filter terms
Fantasia can be re-used for 60 minutes of logged in /playtime
Can do ventures via the companion app
Cosmic Exploration is technically new, although should be similar ish to the Firmament
Deep dungeon will function a bit different somehow
Option to hide players around quests
Messages display in the middle of your screen for mechanics
Emotes/recipes display next to quests when they need to be pressed
Climb up ladders

This wasn't announced anywhere, but a casual observation I personally noticed in the media tour: bicolor gemstone drops are 16, get buffed by Forlorn Maidens to 20, and by having the Twist of Fate buff (24). Combined with the announced cap increase to 1,500.

Probably other QoL they will leave for the patch notes.

They said there are more announcements to come after 7.0.

But obviously this game has had a formula since the start and they mostly stick to it. It's the same stuff as usual. So you either like what they produce each expansion or you don't, but at least you know what to expect.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

For system changes...

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They said there are more announcements to come after 7.0.

But obviously this game has had a formula since the start and they mostly stick to it. It's the same stuff as usual. So you either like what they produce each expansion or you don't, but at least you know what to expect.

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Most of those things you listed, I would call features and they're very much appreciated. The two-channel dye, the specs as a dedicated glam slot, the fantasia updates, all great things.

System Updates to me would be things like:

* adding the Shared FATE system
* adding V&C dungeons
* adding roulettes
* adding CC
* adding flying
* adding role quest system
* adding custom delivery system
* adding spear fishing minigame
* adding the new gathering system
* adding Island Sanctuary
* adding Eureka's elemental system
* adding Lost Actions

I'm talking about something that gives me a different way to interact with the game. It doesn't have to be radically different for me to enjoy it. I just would have appreciated something new.

You're supposed to be very impressed that we can now hide players around NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

For system changes...

Graphics update
New raid planner in the game
Beast master
Viper
Pictomancer
Two dye slots
Save dye favorites
Specs as actual gear slots instead of fashion accessories
Ability to make blacklisted players disappear or filter terms
Fantasia can be re-used for 60 minutes of logged in /playtime
Can do ventures via the companion app
Cosmic Exploration is technically new, although should be similar ish to the Firmament
Deep dungeon will function a bit different somehow
Option to hide players around quests
Messages display in the middle of your screen for mechanics
Emotes/recipes display next to quests when they need to be pressed
Climb up ladders

This wasn't announced anywhere, but a casual observation I personally noticed in the media tour: bicolor gemstone drops are 16, get buffed by Forlorn Maidens to 20, and by having the Twist of Fate buff (24). Combined with the announced cap increase to 1,500.

Probably other QoL they will leave for the patch notes.

They said there are more announcements to come after 7.0.

But obviously this game has had a formula since the start and they mostly stick to it. It's the same stuff as usual. So you either like what they produce each expansion or you don't, but at least you know what to expect.

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Beast masters not coming til .4

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

what kind of new systems at launch would you like?

a lot of new systems are later so that noone has to feel pressured to rush through the story or lvling, it's also why savage is put on hold so people can enjoy themselves. course that is solely for end game content systems.

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6.0 additions:
* gathering overhaul
* spearfishing minigame update

5.0 additions:
* trust system
* Shared FATE
* charged actions

4.0 additions:
* swimming
* original spearfishing

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Originally Posted by Sjol

* adding Island Sanctuary
* adding Eureka's elemental system
* adding Lost Actions

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Alright, well, expect Cosmic Exploration to be different.

Also, just like Bozja was not exactly the same as Eureka, Shade's Triangle most likely won't be either.

Beast master will be a new way to play the game. I'm sure it will have different UI etc.

Viper and Pictomancer, ultimately, are new jobs and therefore new playstyles. The other jobs mostly aren't changing much except AST.

As I mentioned, they said there would be something different about deep dungeons, I'm just not sure what.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Alright, well, expect Cosmic Exploration to be different.

Also, just like Bozja was not exactly the same as Eureka, Shade's Triangle most likely won't be either.

Beast master will be a new way to play the game. I'm sure it will have different UI etc.

Viper and Pictomancer, ultimately, are new jobs and therefore new playstyles. The other jobs mostly aren't changing much except AST.

As I mentioned, they said there would be something different about deep dungeons, I'm just not sure what.

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That's 1 year and 6 months from now.
Beastmaster's 2 years away or more from now.

By the time these release the expansion will be on its way out.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

Look at the bright side: you get to complain about not getting new content now, and then you get to complain about the new content when in comes in 7.X. It's a win-win!

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The blind man is correct

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Originally Posted by Rekh

That's 1 year and 6 months from now.
Beastmaster's 2 years away or more from now.

By the time these release the expansion will be on its way out.

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Still part of the expansion. That's how it works. Developing things takes time.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Still part of the expansion. That's how it works. Developing things takes time.

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Since the OP flew over your head, here it is again.
Outside of dye and graphics update there's nothing new to this expansion in terms of systems, it's all the same copy paste they've been doing since stormblood.

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I understand that we're getting our standard array of content and that it's going to fulfill the needs for a while, BUT I was also hoping for something new and previously unseen. I understand that if we're getting anything like that it'll be in the x.2 or later timeframe.

I guess in future I would like to see new systems at expansion launch instead of 6 months or more in.

It's also a little saddening that what we'll be getting is a refinement of what we've already seen. Field content is better than Island Sanctuary, but still looking for that new hook to get excited about.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Still part of the expansion. That's how it works. Developing things takes time.

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dude...or you work for SE or trying too hard.....way too hard

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Originally Posted by keichirou

dude...or you work for SE or trying too hard.....way too hard

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I can understand if you want 2 years' worth of patch content magically delivered along with the expansion itself, which is a "whole new game"'s worth of content itself. But that isn't how game development works. It's not trying hard to state this. It's just stating the actual truth.

It's like waiting on the next season of a netflix show and saying they should release the next 5 seasons right now. I'm sure we would all love that but it's not how it works, so most of us watch multiple things in between.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Still part of the expansion. That's how it works. Developing things takes time.

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First, I want to say I appreciate what you do for the community -- your pooling of all the various Media Tour content was really helpful. Second, I'm still playing the game and will likely continue playing for the foreseeable future. I'm a developer and I understand things take time to develop, but they also chose what to prioritize and that priority meant that we got some very nice QoL improvements and some major graphic and glam updates but no new systems for me to interact with at launch.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Still part of the expansion. That's how it works. Developing things takes time.

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OP's point was that the launch doesn't have new systems, putting BST in there is disengenous because it isn't coming til later

Mind you i'm not complaining about lack of systems myself- my only problem with the game is jobs are boring and that's not being fixed til 8.0 so

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

It's like waiting on the next season of a netflix show and saying they should release the next 5 seasons right now. I'm sure we would all love that but it's not how it works, so most of us watch multiple things in between.

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well they could if they wanted to, how it works or not has very little relevance to the discussion.

SE if they wanted to could make all the content and drop it all on expansion but we know why that doesn't happen the suggestion is just simply 1 or two new things like we have the shared fate system, some of the older players ask a lot for a hamlet system added to the game and that could be something dropped on expansion that works as the shared fate system but with just 1 new area for it that is specific for the content it can come with rewards like the shared fate system but be a whole thing on its own that players can do as they please. at least that is just an example.

TLDR to simply state that's not how SE works just states something obvious and deflect a simple suggestion/want, like this wouldn't be asked at all if that wasn't how things worked and is the point of asking for things you want.

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Originally Posted by Sjol

6.0 additions:
* gathering overhaul
* spearfishing minigame update

5.0 additions:
* trust system
* Shared FATE
* charged actions

4.0 additions:
* swimming
* original spearfishing

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I think the issue is what is considered systems in your definition. Changing the blacklist, adding in facegear, fantasia changes, etc. are all system changes. They might not be systems you interact with, but they are system changes nonetheless. It wasn't really focused on, but the facegear changes piqued my interests. From what I gathered, it doesn't require the glamour dresser. It seems like once you get the item, you can use it for the slot. If that's the case, that seems like it's setting the foundation for doing it similar to how WoW does their transmog, which would be a huge change for quite a number of people.

I think by systems, you are meaning Do* changes. This might certainly be light in your opinion, and I can see where you are coming from. However, as a developer, I'm sure you can see the benefit of having tradeoffs sometimes where you put a bunch of resources into clearing out tech debt / upgrading components to allow for future changes.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

I think by systems, you are meaning Do* changes. This might certainly be light in your opinion, and I can see where you are coming from. However, as a developer, I'm sure you can see the benefit of having tradeoffs sometimes where you put a bunch of resources into clearing out tech debt / upgrading components to allow for future changes.

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Admittedly my definitions may not be widely shared. For reference, I think of the game being:

Systems: the types of data the game has and the rules the determine how it can be manipulated.
Content: instances of things that interact with systems.
UI/UX: the UI controls that allow the user to interact with the systems and see their state.

You're right, the dual dye capability would be a new system as would the face slot. The blacklist and Fantasia changes are also system updates, though firmly in the QoL bucket, though with extremely limited content built around them.

I guess my problem with two of those marquee features are that I don't want to interact with the Blacklist system. If I am, something went badly. And Fantasia costing money means I'm not going to interact with it except very, very rarely -- same with the updates to the Mobile App, which isn't a system, but is new UI.

Not something you said, but jobs under these definitions would be content that interacts with different systems. A new job might be introduced with new systems, but they themselves, are content.

And lastly, to your tech debt point, I guess I don't have any real confidence that they're going to tackle their large backlog of technical debt because they've shown very little desire to update deeply integrated systems. Apparently, they've wanted to do something about the class/job system for a while. And the glamour system. I think they want to do something with the GC Squadrons and GCs, in general.

But it seems like when they do start evaluating these bigger systems, they just realize it's going to be too much work. But by that logic it will never be done. WoW had their painful rework during Cataclysm and ARR was kind of like that, but it was more an entirely new game given how many systems were updated. Cataclysm had a lot of problems, but also cleared the way for a lot of ambitious ideas.

There are parts of the community that are very upset with the slow pace of system and content updates. I present the current EN forums as evidence. I'm not angry, just disappointed. I wish they went faster and took more chances.

I have been meaning to ask, Are we able to dismount our chocobos and other flying mounts in mid flight currently? I ask because when I try to do so I always land first before being able to be dismounted. If we can't then according to the Benchmark trailer, being able to go straight from flight into a combat action while in Mid-Flight seems like a pretty major Z-axis improvement to the game and flight systems. And it seems like a largely glossed over improvement.

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Originally Posted by Ryvick

I have been meaning to ask, Are we able to dismount our chocobos and other flying mounts in mid flight currently? I ask because when I try to do so I always land first before being able to be dismounted. If we can't then according to the Benchmark trailer, being able to go straight from flight into a combat action while in Mid-Flight seems like a pretty major Z-axis improvement to the game and flight systems. And it seems like a largely glossed over improvement.

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AFAIK, no, you can't dismount mid-flight, unless you hover just above the floor.

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Originally Posted by Ryvick

I have been meaning to ask, Are we able to dismount our chocobos and other flying mounts in mid flight currently? I ask because when I try to do so I always land first before being able to be dismounted. If we can't then according to the Benchmark trailer, being able to go straight from flight into a combat action while in Mid-Flight seems like a pretty major Z-axis improvement to the game and flight systems. And it seems like a largely glossed over improvement.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in that sort of thing. The benchmark is primarily designed to test performance and they often put in little cinematic things that work in a pre-planned sequence because they can take short cuts behind the scenes, knowing it will play the same way every time.

Without an actual announcement of such things in a live letter or similar, I'd assume that the mid air dismount is just a fun animation thing that we might possibly see more of it's kind in cutscenes, rather than an actual coming gameplay change.

It'd be nice but I wouldn't advise getting your hopes up for this being an actual thing.

Has there been any mention of expanding our inventory at all? There's only so much you can get rid of when you're an omnicrafter and need all 11 tools + combat class weapons etc. My armoury is always on life support. Year after year. That and no hats on Viera still are my only big concerns (plus the entire PCT artifact debacle of gender locking b.s.)

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Originally Posted by Lanntis

Has there been any mention of expanding our inventory at all? There's only so much you can get rid of when you're an omnicrafter and need all 11 tools + combat class weapons etc. My armoury is always on life support. Year after year. That and no hats on Viera still are my only big concerns (plus the entire PCT artifact debacle of gender locking b.s.)

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I haven't seen any updates on inventory space and given that previous increases were highlighted in previous Live Letters, I doubt we're getting any.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Beast masters not coming til .4

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Only SE could announce a new job as part of an expansion and then add on *Not for about a year and a half

If by "New Systems" the OP means something like Variant and Criterion Dungeons, we're probably not going to see things like that this expansion.

The players on these forums have already told SE that such efforts were not appreciated.

Expectations and realization differed enough to ensure anything new is going to be replaced by Tried-and-True things, like Bozja-like instances. Maybe.