New Benchmark Feedback: Male Miqote Lips

Please change the Male Miqo'te lips to how they are before the graphics update. The expression and lips size is off.

Picture by @banana_qote

https://i.imgur.com/pq5Tt4V.jpeg

They really messed up the face 1 lips too.

It's like they gave the wrong mouth to each face

https://i.imgur.com/RxE6pBc.png

Bringing this over from the other thread I posted in - while I wasn't super happy with how my miqo looked like in the previous Benchmark, it was definitely closer to his current look than whatever the updated Benchmark turned him into.

Endwalker Benchmark/actual in-game look
https://i.postimg.cc/5yRcdM2K/GPJxmW7XUAAR96i.png
Dawntrail Benchmark 1.0
https://i.postimg.cc/zD9Xxp7j/dsadsa.png
New Dawntrail Benchmark
https://i.postimg.cc/3rSQD2Fj/GPJxnbEXQAAlLEW.png

I mean personally i like the slight smile for the face. Cured my catboy's RBF

Major changes should have been new options though.

agreed, this should have been made toggleable or a new mouth option entirely imo. the lip changes are pretty drastic and make a big change in a character's base expression.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Major changes should have been new options though.

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Originally Posted by purincchi

agreed, this should have been made toggleable or a new mouth option entirely imo. the lip changes are pretty drastic and make a big change in a character's base expression.

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I'm pretty sure they said that adding new options is out of the question right now. I assume the spaghetti code is getting in the way, like there's only so much character data that the game can fit. Kind of like how inventory space has a hard limit, and how we got rid of belts to open space.

They didn't do a lot of forward thinking when they rebuilt the game's engine for 2.0's release. Ironically.

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Originally Posted by Averax

I'm pretty sure they said that adding new options is out of the question right now. I assume the spaghetti code is getting in the way, like there's only so much character data that the game can fit. Kind of like how inventory space has a hard limit, and how we got rid of belts to open space.

They didn't do a lot of forward thinking when they rebuilt the game's engine for 2.0's release. Ironically.

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If they can't add new options, they shouldn't be eliminating the old ones with the graphics update.

But also midlander Hyur men got a new face option relatively recently, so i'm sure it's possible, just a pain in the ass.

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Originally Posted by Averax

I'm pretty sure they said that adding new options is out of the question right now. I assume the spaghetti code is getting in the way, like there's only so much character data that the game can fit. Kind of like how inventory space has a hard limit, and how we got rid of belts to open space.

They didn't do a lot of forward thinking when they rebuilt the game's engine for 2.0's release. Ironically.

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All i can guess is that the options they have is constrained to the literal bits. Which should mean that if there is 5 options, then there is at least room for 3 more. 4 options and it's probably capped.

I completely agree.
It looks like we took a happy pill and are weirdly smiling now.

When I tried the first benchmark, I wasn't sold on some details (e.g. the eyes looking too "dead" and making us look half asleep, my eyebrow shape being different...) but I was mostly happy with the lips we had. Overall, I was fine with how my character would end up looking. But now that I've just tried out the new benchmark, I'm unhappy with how he looks because of this smile.

Here are some pictures of both benchmarks with different backgrounds (Benchmark 1 on the left, Benchmark 2 on the right to show the before/after):


https://i.imgur.com/x7jFxk6.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/0ji9bI7.png

It might not be strongly noticeable for everyone but I personally see the changes especially when I turn my character around to catch another lighting. The worst example for me is the picture in the wooden inn room: it looks like another face type to me.
I chose this facetype because I like the "bone structure", the jawline and the face features in themselves. They gave the character a "resting b face" that I personally enjoy a lot. Problem is that now we're smiling and it doesn't really fit us, at least if we want a serious and neutral look. That smile is fine as an emote, but not as a permanent face. I don't think it's only a lighting issue as the lips look like their corners are pointing upwards now, it's a shape issue.

I'm not gonna complain about the textures because they obviously look very good and way better than what we have atm, there is no concern about that on my personal end. But if we're talking about the character's features themselves then that's when I have a problem. If I had to choose between benchmark 1 and 2 for my character, I'd chose the first one by far. I really hope they fix the lips and revert that smile back, or at least delete this increase of the corners.

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Originally Posted by Averax

I'm pretty sure they said that adding new options is out of the question right now.

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My impression is that they have room to add new faces entirely, but not more options for the same faces.

Big, big agree. I couldn't figure out what felt... 'off' about my character when I opened the updated benchmark but this is exactly it.

It's both such a minor-- in the sense I couldn't even notice it at first, and also that it's a slight shape adjustment-- but also absolutely major change. The upturned corners of the mouth as well as the slightly altered shape for this face in particular changes the entire personality and attitude of the face imo. It's also just jarring that it's a stuck idle almost-smile when mostly all other faces are still in their permanent neutral expression. It's a change that also can't quite be solved with a free fantasia.

I wish there was a pose toggle for a change like this similar to casual pose toggles. Easy / command for a switch between a smile, frown, neutral expression or whatever. Would benefit people who like the :} mouth and those who don't like it.

I really hope this change gets rolled back regardless, though.