/r/ffxivdiscussion: What are your hopes for PvP in Dawntrail?

This is a good discussion about the future expectations of FFXIV PVP and what players want to see changed or added to improve the PVP experience.

Original Post: "I know it's kind of an overlooked aspect of FFXIV but there are still some people that dabble in it. Overall I think it's in an okay spot but there definitely needs to be some kind of adjustments for Frontlines to make it an enjoyable experience for those not just there for the daily tomestones.

Having spent this last week getting obliterated in Rival Wings by the enemy team having more DRKs, I'm kinda hoping they add a target cap to AoE abilities.

Also hoping the big hammer Pictomancer had in the action trailer is used as a PvP ability. Big bonk."


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Notable comments:

"They should probably kill the drk pull in and replace it with a more boring CC like bind or stun. But that bothers me less than how god damn boring new shatter is. Old shatter was ok. It had it's problems, but it was at least fun enough that I would queue for it when it was in the roulette, which I could not say for secure. But rolling into DT, I'm definitely leaning towards blowing off shatter days. It's designed to create pinches and it just feels brutal, but not in a fun way. More in a "oh god I hope I have enough people in this group that aren't new players that know which big ice is the trap ice that will kill us all.""

"More frequent balance patches."

"One that would take about 10 minutes to do but that SE will never do: Make all the old PVP armor that were job only (e.g. AST) useable by the role (e.g. WHM/AST/SGE/SCH)."

"Roulettes for Rival Wings and Crystalline Conflict so there is more incentive to play. I just got into PvP a few days ago and apart from Rival Wings being good for the moogle event atm I don't really see a reason to play anything but Frontlines when it comes to rewards and leveling your season rank.
For every mode I would definitely want more incentive to play the objective. As a new player it's kind of weird to lose matches because I'm sticking to whatever other players try to communicate etc just because a bunch of players can't be assed to do anything but running around aimlessly and try to hunt for kills. We lost Frontlines by such a large amount of points because no matter how much Data we gathered because they were constantly dying. I get many people just do frontline roulette as a daily and don't bother with it but still. It's kind of annoying when you're trying to play as intended but it's useless because most players won't.
I also think the game does a terrible job of communicating how to actually play the modes. CC is mostly fine because it's rather simple in concept. Frontline is a chaotic mess half the time and for Rival Wings I had to watch YouTube guides because as someone who never interacted with stuff like League of Legends I didn't have a clue on what to do."

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My personal hopes are: further balancing of PVP abilities, new armor sets and weapons as rewards, making Rival Wings relevant again by adding it to the daily roulette, adding CC as a daily roulette, and more official PVP tournaments. Not many people play Rival Wings but I think it's one of the more entertaining and engaging PVP modes. Overall, PVP in general is pretty fun in FFXIV, and I look forward to SE improving it and drawing more players into both casual and competitive modes.

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus..._in_dawntrail/

Feel free to discuss amongst yourselves below. Cheers.

My hopes are for a Rival Wings roulette.

My expectations are that nothing will change other than new maps.

My hope is putting an anti cheat in the game so i can take CC seriously for once.

Jobs get different properties on moves in Frontline. Some abilities are too weak outside of Crystalline Conflict.

I actually think there should be more mass CC like Dark Knight pull, but reduce the damage AOE bursts does. This means it's more about chaining multiple CC's together rather than timing a single burst, which increases the skill ceiling. Consequently, there needs to be more anti AOE burst abilities. Combos are funner in large scale PvP than just picking Ninja or Machinist and trying to pick solo kills (both can co-exist).

Seal Rock removed and reworked to fix its map imbalances.

Series rewards for Frontlines based on placement (exp reward can stay the same). Give more of an incentive to not be last place.

Better UI elements so people can see how the score is changing based on their actions. Let new players know that dying constantly is losing their team lots of points by showing them the point loss after each death.

Need a way to deal with griefers who run into enemies base and just feed deaths all game. These people would honestly be better for their team if they just afk'd in spawn.

Less grind. That's my hope. Having to do quite a few CC matches to reach Series level 25 is just painful.

- Disable all CC abilities in FL
- Remove BH from FL ( adjust ability potency to compensate)
- Add new PvP maps and games.
- More [Rewards] and uses for [Wolf Marks] and [Trophy Crystals]
- Let us buy past PvP Series rewards (armor/mount/minion..ect) with [Trophy Crystals]

Let me queue cc with my friends so I can at least know I am playing with people who know they have a heal skill...

Buff salted earth

Let me talk with my friends/players so we can coordinate strats.

Alternate way to acquire Feast rewards given the top 100 is plagued with wintraders.

Long term goals for PvP and actual value to play Ranked CC over Casual.

We have gone through this several times with other PvP regulars and the overall rewards are just plain lackluster. Augmented Hellhound Weapons were move to right direction, but still bit questionable in the ways of aquicition.

Stuff that we could have:
-Hunt currency items for PvP currencies, to give more overall value to them. Maybe even unique color or two (could be backported to Hunt or other content rewards too, maybe to breathe life to other side content like Mahjong?)
-Recolor of Series Armor, Minion and Mount for different Rankings (Gold/Plat gets one, Diamond/Crystal gets one and Top 100 gets one for example).
-Upgradeable full armor set in theme of Hellhound weapons, each upgraded piece makes the whole set gain stronger and stronger effects until it has been all augmented. Potentially make the currency aquirable by all ranks instead of only Diamond+ but scale it heavily so high ranks are still desireable, yet not keep it completely out of reach for the rest as long as they participate in Ranked over multiple Seasons.
-Additional effects to Minions and Mounts? Similar to Previous Augmentations.
-More Titles, they cost next to nothing to make, just have something like Crystalline Legend at top end for reaching Top 100 multiple times.
-PvP Relic? Objectives that span all PvP modes to build alternative path Weapon for your PvE experience.

Hell, just increasing the participation and win rewards for Ranked CC to double or triple over Casual would help a lot.

I want them to peek at western FL

I'd want a fairly simple build system implemented. You'd still only have 6-ish abilities like you do now but you'd be able to choose between 2 or three options for them all (or maybe leave the "standard DPS skill" always in place), as well as being able to choose from 2 different LBs. This would not only add a little individuality to the jobs while also allowing the devs to more effectively divide CC and FL/RW by having some abilities clearly more effective for CC and some for FL/RW.

But yeah, other than that, I echo the desire for more long term reasons to keep playing. Just going by the Battle Pass alone, there's little reason to go beyond level 30 as the amount of received Trophy Crystals slows to a barely noticeable drip. More things to buy with any/all PvP currencies would be great but, failing that, some actual way to transfer/exchange currencies would be a nice touch. Obviously there shouldn't be a 1 to 1 trade so that you're actively encouraged to do the thing that givers you the specific currency you want but even a lopsided trade of something like Wolf Marks into Trophy Crystals, or both/either into Tomestones. This way even if there wasn't something specific in PvP you wanted to buy you could use PvP as a side road to what you do want.

Oh, and a bigger variety of maps for FL with a more frequent rotation. I know there's supposedly different objectives but, truthfully, they all basically play pretty much the same with only the Ice one a slight bit different. I actually quite enjoy FL but just wish I wasn't doing the (basically) exact same thing every time I queue in.

What I want?
Job gauges, skill/lb rework, +1 -3 skills per job, more trophy crystal items

What I expect?
Map changes, some skill/lb changes, more trophy crystal items,
Nothing aside from viper/picto till 7.1, then their kits are changed from the release version.

For changes, I'd hope for

- Rival Wings roulette
- Recuperate's potency scaling inversely with BH gain or not at all. I like the damage increase, but I find that increasing the healing is a tad much
- For AoE CC abilities, CC getting diminishing returns from the 6th affected target onwards
- The newest version of Shatter being thrown into the deepest pit of hell

For new stuff, I'd kill for a Blue Mage PvP mode. Could be something like a 1v1 with a pre-baked spell loadout like the TT open tournaments, a free-for-all match where you make your own customized loadout (with rarity limitations like TT decks so you don't just bring your regular PvE loadout with you), large scale PvP where you get spells from the beasties in the wild, anything would do.

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Originally Posted by SomeGuy22

For new stuff, I'd kill for a Blue Mage PvP mode. Could be something like a 1v1 with a pre-baked spell loadout like the TT open tournaments, a free-for-all match where you make your own customized loadout (with rarity limitations like TT decks so you don't just bring your regular PvE loadout with you), large scale PvP where you get spells from the beasties in the wild, anything would do.

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Supposedly there was some brainstorming for a BLU Battle Royale mode where you would find random spells, which could probably be an even bigger clusterfuck than the average Frontline.

I would like it so when I enter frontlines players actually work together and not just sit like a tit in a trance on their mount wondering wtf they are doing there. Make dancer choose a partner anyone will do better than none at all.

Make it so I can make enormous mounts shrink as they block my view when moving round the map. Just mainly teamwork is all I would like so maybe add better incentives to win the match.

- That they keep the formula elaborated in 6.1 for crystalline conflict and continue building upon it as it's just great overall. I'd wish ranked popped more and for longer amounts of time, but I don't see how to do that in a game where the pool of players constantly queued into it is just not enough (unlike casual mode).

- Introducing the ability to play with a friend in CC, allowing duos to queue up for the casual mode with the caveat that they can only be matched against another duo, at least for now.

- Doing something about FLs I guess, not sure what though.

( or add that infamous blue mage battle royale on eurekan maps where you start naked and pick up random spells as you go... how about that for more exciting fields operations SE? :p )

Re-enable it for the free trial like they promised they would four years ago when they 'temporarily' disabled it.

I expect nothing, and somehow we'll get even less.

I kinda wish they would put the same effort releasing wolfmark rewards like they used to - and more trophy crystal sets. I think the latest Tactical sets were a big win, if only for the fact that they can be equipped by every job.

New CC maps are always appreciated, maybe finally a true CC roulette where maps change everytime you enter. An entirely new lighthearted mode would also be appreciated, maybe something like a beach volleyball 3vs3 or 6vs6 tekken ball style. It would suit the expansion theme quite well

Current hopes:

- Better custom options for pvp overall
- A better rank system
- Rival Wings roulette
- More skills for our classes
- A rework on SAM's LB
- Frequent balances than what we had this expansion
- An arena mode where we can do 2v2s/3v3s/etc.

Current personal expectations:

- PvP being solo q only in all modes
- Additiional restrictions to pvp
- Overall AOE nerf of some form
- No changes to rank CC

Remove the black screen and revive animation when revived.
Reduce abilities' stuns' and disables' duration in general to the maximum of 1 seconds, long stun and disable duration in a fast paced PVP game is not acceptable at all.
Fix the network latency and delay, add rollback system like Tekken 8 would be nice.

Just to elaborate on the "more official tournaments" wish - I'd like to see more tournaments like the one we saw at Fan Festival 2023 in Las Vegas where there were cash prizes.
https://i.imgur.com/fQaKGkL.png
https://i.imgur.com/pYAng7Q.png
There needs to be stakes for winning/losing the tournament, so I see the cash prizes as a good incentive for promoting a competitive environment. I'm not saying we need the prize pool to be like the Dota 2 International Tournament which had a $40 million prize pool, but SE could probably have more than a single $22,500 grand prize.

We also had Esports commentators giving play-by-play narration of every match. It was great and I hope to see more events like these from SE.
https://i.imgur.com/T0lamEE.png

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Originally Posted by vetch

Re-enable it for the free trial like they promised they would four years ago when they 'temporarily' disabled it.

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I'd like that too. Seems like a pretty easy fix.

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Fix the network latency and delay

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This is a huge issue, although I doubt SE will expend any effort improving their netcode.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

There needs to be stakes for winning/losing the tournament, so I see the cash prizes as a good incentive for promoting a competitive environment. I'm not saying we need the prize pool to be like the Dota 2 International Tournament which had a $40 million prize pool, but SE could probably have more than a single $22,500 grand prize.

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Citizen, there would be a veritable boom in the player population of this game if Square hosted a tournament with a $40,000,000 prize pool. There would be tons of professional esports players switching to FFXIV to try their hand at winning first place in the acclaimed Crystalline Conflict!




Go forth to victory.

Banning the win-traders that I've been reporting for years.

Give Frontline & Rival Wings their own proper kits instead of using the ones balanced for CC matches.

Those two game modes (especially the latter) needs more love.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Give Frontline & Rival Wings their own proper kits instead of using the ones balanced for CC matches.

Those two game modes (especially the latter) needs more love.

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Do you think Rival Wing should be even more MOBAs based? Like Dota 2 or LoL, replace heroes/champion with jobs,

Having 2 teams with each team are comprised of 5/6 party members,

Everyone start at level 1 with the max level of 15/25, and each job have different stats' gain,

Players can earn gil by killing "lane creeps" or "jungle" or opposing team member, then spent gil to buy "relic" to boost your job's stats, etc etc

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Do you think Rival Wing should be even more MOBAs based? Like Dota 2 or LoL, replace heroes/champion with jobs,

Having 2 teams with each team are comprised of 5/6 party members,

Everyone start at level 1 with the max level of 15/25, and each job have different stats' gain,

Players can earn gil by killing "lane creeps" or "jungle" or opposing team member, then spent gil to buy "relic" to boost your job's stats, etc etc

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I'll pass lol

Let's not complicate things even further for the playerbase. This is simple enough. Everyone knows to focus towers and to focus the train (dragon) and merc (hearld) that appears. That works for me. This is not a complete disagreement. This is a 'don't you dare' xD

Reduce effectiveness of Guard & Self healing.

Add clemency for PLD Instead of life steal on Confiteor (cuz clemency is based)

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

I'll pass lol

Let's not complicate things even further for the playerbase. This is simple enough. Everyone knows to focus towers and to focus the train (dragon) and merc (hearld) that appears. That works for me. This is not a complete disagreement. This is a 'don't you dare' xD

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Aye, is one things I don't like the FFXIV sub reddit, but still it's better for the said sub not to filled with nothing but salts and grievance LOL

I do not have any hopes. That way i will hopefully not be dissapointed.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I do not have any hopes. That way i will hopefully not be dissapointed.

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https://i.imgur.com/uVEV2Kh.jpg

Fewer cheaters, more rewards. I finished grinding for the current series rewards last year and there's only so much crystal I can spend before it starts feeling pointless.

Edit: Gonna echo the rival wings roulette suggestion.

I wish they'd add more consumed items to the trophy crystal vendors like the dyes that are available at firmament/islands, rank 3 boost buffs like the squadron gives, etc

I don't have high hopes though, as we seem to be losing PvP content as time goes on (Astragalos, Borderland Ruins), instead of getting more.

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Do you think Rival Wing should be even more MOBAs based? Like Dota 2 or LoL, replace heroes/champion with jobs,

Having 2 teams with each team are comprised of 5/6 party members,

Everyone start at level 1 with the max level of 15/25, and each job have different stats' gain,

Players can earn gil by killing "lane creeps" or "jungle" or opposing team member, then spent gil to buy "relic" to boost your job's stats, etc etc

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Hard to say, for somebody's who's very green to the mode like myself. For the context, I've only done my first RWs a couple of days ago only because a friend dragged me into them by spam queueing at Primal DC. I enjoyed it even more compared to what I remembered of when I first got into FL :) The first thing that sprung to my mind was "Why this mode doesn't have its own roulette? wouldn't that make people queue into these more often & I don't need to wait for moghunt+DC travel to Primal to see these popping? :(". And also I don't play MOBA so I can't relate to any of their reference, sorry lol.