Fantasias are going to get lore now it seems.

With this most recent LLP we were told that they will be putting in a low level quest that will explain what a fantasia is. So, I guess they'll have lore now?

I wonder how close the quest will be to Koji joking around about it years back.

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Fantasia works in a unique way. I can’t simply turn you into whoever you want, or people could get away with anything. Crime would be out of control. Even on Earth, people have the opportunity to change who they are – cut their hair, get a facelift, find a new career or a different spouse – but we often aren’t willing to make those drastic life changes. Fantasia gives you the courage to make the changes you’ve always wanted to make. Maybe you are Lalafell trapped in a Roegadyn’s body, it’s time to break out! And all you needed was that courage in a phial!

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it's gonna be another auri limbal rings moment, i bet. shit lore to explain something that doesn't need to be explained.

Well hopefully whatever it will be. I just hope it's better than the Mountain Zu. Seriously I feel my WoL will want to have a talk with Vrtra after learning that his country's alchemist are still messing around random wildlife. Though at least these don't look like they could become feral or something to that affect. Unlike what happened with the red chocobos. If I were to guess Thavnir got a lot of the Ancients that made creatures that make you go "but why?".

I do wonder if Jandelaine will be part of the quest or not. I still can't believe he's another heir of a lower Ishgardian house.

Personally, I like lore for stuff like this. When there are mechanics in the game like glamour and they come up in the story, it makes it feel more like a cohesive world and less like detached game mechanics.

This one will be great mainly for collapsing the uncertainty. I can't imagine any resulting Fantasia lore will be an earthshaker on any level, and that kinda naturally means it'll have more haters than outright fans (it's a given that someone's gonna be mad about it, there's always someone mad about something), but I think the payoff here will be for all the people who have that lingering question answered, even if they didn't care that much about the answer. I guarantee, the roleplaying community will be happy with any answer they give, just because it's an answer. We can talk about Fantasias now, and actually have an implicit agreement about their existence!

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Personally, I like lore for stuff like this. When there are mechanics in the game like glamour and they come up in the story, it makes it feel more like a cohesive world and less like detached game mechanics.

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It's not that I don't like this kind of thing getting lore. Just more of a shock and kind of funny. As for the longest time fantasias were in a sort of grey area of are they canonical or not. The same with collectors edition mounts; but then in came Emet-Selch in Elpis who popped out the ShB CE mount. That and it was always funny if not weird how every npc still knew who you were after using one. One second you could be out in the middle of the Lochs just having talked to Thancred as a min height male lalafell. Only to show up five seconds later as a maximum height fem roe and he would just ignore that you look completely different.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

It's not that I don't like this kind of thing getting lore. Just more of a shock and kind of funny. As for the longest time fantasias were in a sort of grey area of are they canonical or not. The same with collectors edition mounts; but then in came Emet-Selch in Elpis who popped out the ShB CE mount. That and it was always funny if not weird how every npc still knew who you were after using one. One second you could be out in the middle of the Lochs just having talked to Thancred as a min height male lalafell. Only to show up five seconds later as a maximum height fem roe and he would just ignore that you look completely different.

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Yeah, either Fantasia alters reality and makes it so you were always "xyz appearance", alters your own mind so that you aren't different to others but are to yourself, or... it actually just changes you and you basically have to send out a newsletter announcing the changes so ppl know who they're dealing with. lol Fantasia-addict WoLs, regularly visiting leaders and making security checks way more complicated than they needed to be. XD

Making Fantasias canon with an explanation in dialogue seems super weird to me as a prospect. It seemed much simpler to just treat them as non-canon. I hope they've got a good reason to change that.

Maybe it's made of ground-up glamour prisms or something.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Making Fantasias canon with an explanation in dialogue seems super weird to me as a prospect. It seemed much simpler to just treat them as non-canon. I hope they've got a good reason to change that.

Maybe it's made of ground-up glamour prisms or something.

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Maybe the quest giver will be that colorful lady in Vesper Bay, again.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

Maybe the quest giver will be that colorful lady in Vesper Bay, again.

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But this time she's a viera.

All I know is if they truly make fantasia canon, I'm sooo going with my crazy head canon that Nanamo is really dead and the one they wanted to put on the throne used a fantasia to look like her. :D

I like to think the Fantasia quest will treat it like “it will make you feel like a whole new you! Refreshing!”, without acknowledging in-game what it does at all. As in, yes it does change your body/gender/etc, but it rewrites at such a complete level that nobody ever realizes you were anything different.

Alternatively “ah I knew it wouldn’t work” because you never were a Lalafel trapped in a Roe body, you always were a Lalafel you silly goose.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Alternatively “ah I knew it wouldn’t work” because you never were a Lalafel trapped in a Roe body, you always were a Lalafel you silly goose.

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Honestly, this is what I suspect it'll be; we'll get given a 'phony Fantasia' that's actually a real Fantasia, that the NPC couldn't tell worked.

Which I think some people wouldn't like, just because they write Fantasia change-ups as actually happening in-universe and being observable, but I'd be okay with. Frankly, it would be a very funny, and very interesting, explicit inclusion into the game world; that there is this potion that can completley change how you look and how the entire world sees you, but that everyone just thinks it's total snake oil because it works so well that even the person who took it can't tell it worked. That opens the door to so much fun ideas, that the game probably won't pursue but would be hilarious potential for roleplaying.

I'm picturing a whole naturally-occurring lake of it, that nobody's noticed. (But would probably have some crazy fish.)

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Frankly, it would be a very funny, and very interesting, explicit inclusion into the game world

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I know it’s not an issue they would tackle, but it raises some big questions regarding gender swapping.

Like, imagine your best friend of same gender came out to you, confessing their love. You, being straight gently turn them down. It is established that you have turned down your friend. One day, they Fantasia into exactly your wildest dream-girl/boy… how does your memory compute turning down your best friend, who ticks every single box of a partner you are looking for?


Or, perhaps less controversial, you grew up in a standard issue home with a mom and dad, and you were there to see your kid sister born. You know for a fact your mom gave birth to your kid sis. Until one day you have two dads. Wait a minute…

Set to ruin the rp scene for me, if it changes everything about you. One day you're a lalafel, the second day you feel like being an elezen, now you're a roegadyn. At least glamours are fake illusions, but this one.. wooooh the rp scene is gonna misuse the heck out of it.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Set to ruin the rp scene for me, if it changes everything about you. One day you're a lalafel, the second day you feel like being an elezen, now you're a roegadyn. At least glamours are fake illusions, but this one.. wooooh the rp scene is gonna misuse the heck out of it.

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I can tell you don't spend much time in the RP community, or you'd know that anyone who wants to use a Fantasia in-character was already doing it, nebulous canonicity or ruleset be damned. If anything, this will at least ensure some consistency.

Now if they gave away TWO Fantasias we'd be in trouble, that's perfect material for a 'temporary mishap' arc.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I can tell you don't spend much time in the RP community, or you'd know that anyone who wants to use a Fantasia in-character was already doing it, nebulous canonicity or ruleset be damned. If anything, this will at least ensure some consistency.

Now if they gave away TWO Fantasias we'd be in trouble, that's perfect material for a 'temporary mishap' arc.

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I don't know how it's done in the U.S but IC fantasias are bit of a taboo over in EU, at least on Chaos in the general RP scene. You -can- use it, but it mostly gets ignored unless you're in your own bubble community or come out with the "Can we all agree that this character was always a Miqo'te instead of an Elezen". So let's stop using the "I can tell you don't do this and that." and stick to the subject, thank you very much. It's very rude.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

I don't know how it's done in the U.S but IC fantasias are bit of a taboo over in EU, at least on Chaos in the general RP scene. You -can- use it, but it mostly gets ignored unless you're in your own bubble community or come out with the "Can we all agree that this character was always a Miqo'te instead of an Elezen". So let's stop using the "I can tell you don't do this and that." and stick to the subject, thank you very much. It's very rude.

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I admit I don't play on Chaos, but I highly doubt that it's such a close-knit and communally-agreed-on space that you're immune from someone just going off the reservation, in large part because they aren't aware of the reservation in the first place. Like, that's not an insult to anyone in any way; it's just a fact of open RP communities like this, you can't actually stop someone from writing whatever they want, because no matter how strong you think these communally-agreed standards are held, there's always gonna be someone who's never read them, or has read them and decided to ignore them. If anything, I suspect you might be in more of a bubble than you think you are just because you think that it's actually possible to enforce those unspoken standards.

Again, if anything this ensures consistency: before this Fantasias were in a nebulous 'they exist and do X but we have no further information', so not even the people who do want to write in Fantasias have any agreement on how they work, how aware people are of them, or how rare/valuable they are. To some it's so treasured that it's some level of sought-after objective, for others it's so miscellaneous that it's just part of a shelf of potions that can be caught up in shenanigans, and that's just in relation to its supposed value.

You can't stop people from having their fun, the people who want to write in Fantasias are always going to write in Fantasias. What this'll do is mean that when two people who independently wrote in Fantasias meet, they'll actually implicitly agree about them, and that'll be great.

There's a roleplay discord community for Chaos and Light where most roleplayers hang out, which tends to discuss lore, advertise daily / weekly roleplay roulettes and much more. I don't mean it's enforced, I mean that since it's a general consensus whenever it's discussed or brought up that "Fantasias are not canon" it's handled in a very "Let's try something else or another angle if you want to change your character" in fc's and out in the open from personal experience. If we get down to semantics, sure, every community is a bubble in the end. You are in a bubble, I am in a bubble. Anyone can do anything in roleplay, hell I've been in events where people have been playing Ryne and Y'shtola, and just played it like it landed and took it as a fun experience while never referencing it happened after because I thought it was kinda silly. You can't enforce anything except within a community / FC / roleplay group / roleplay event that you lead. But if you turn up as an "Ascian Thriceborn Allagan tank commander" you rarely get embraced and agreed with on your choice if you go extremely off the wall, lore can be bent, its necessary for events and fun but outright breaking it tends to be shunned. I'm just talking on my observations in the general community, roulette spaces, various FC's and so forth.

I just disagree that bringing in Fantasia into being an actual canon thing will be good for the overall roleplay vibe, it bites away at any sense of uniqueness, flaws and the journey your character has done if you can just shift to whatever you want by chugging a potion. It being an artifact level potion that can't be just bought at your local apothecary might make it more digestable though. You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine. If it becomes actual canon, then there's nothing about it. Just gotta play it how it lands, but personally if it goes out of control, hugely offputting as a concept and possibly a dealbreaker for me.

I am suspected of "not spending much time in the rp community" and "being in bit more of a bubble than I think" let's try and make the next post without directly referencing to me and suspecting of how I go about my day, and talk about the point instead. Third time the charm? Thank you~

Not sure why Fantasias is what breaks the camel's back when we know there's actual plastic surgery and cloning. Let alone bioengineering. At least when it comes down to rp.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

There's a roleplay discord community for Chaos and Light where most roleplayers hang out, which tends to discuss lore, advertise daily / weekly roleplay roulettes and much more. I don't mean it's enforced, I mean that since it's a general consensus whenever it's discussed or brought up that "Fantasias are not canon" it's handled in a very "Let's try something else or another angle if you want to change your character" in fc's and out in the open from personal experience.

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Crystal also has a roleplaying discord--multiple, actually--and I'm under no illusions that your average joe is in there or have read any of them (And those discords definitely don't have any illusions that they can carry any weight at all in actual RP). Honestly, a discord is basically the embodiment of a bubble community; it feels all-encompassing when you're in it, but all it takes is to go slightly outside of it and suddenly every communal agreement you thought was universal is out the window. I'm sorry for assuming you had no experience, but I think it's important to recognize you don't have universal experience.

Take a moment to step outside of that bubble, and think about this from the perspective of someone who wants to use a Fantasia in their story but isn't sure how to, rather than from the perspective of a community that decided without their input that they can't.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Not sure why Fantasias is what breaks the camel's back when we know there's actual plastic surgery and cloning. Let alone bioengineering. At least when it comes down to rp.

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Yeah, if anything plastic surgery was the more surprising and difficult to square thing. With Garlemald tech in approximately the era of the World Wars, and with no magical aid basically by definition, it's surprising that they have plastic surgery so good that you can make someone look exactly like someone else. We can't even do that in 2024! Was that always an option? Is that an option for us?

Granted, plastic surgery that perfect is a cornerstone of certain types of fiction that Werlyt was very much playing near.

Mission failed successfully, apologizing for assuming and then assuming in the next sentence. I'm not a suit to be fought, nobody can enforce on anyones roleplay beyond not welcoming them in a community if they start wilding out with crazy ideas that are lorebreaking or otherwise "impossible" for a regular joe to pull off, my opinion doesn't matter beyond it being my opinion. Anyone can play a three-headed dragon for all I care, or be an allagan plastic surgeon who survived and happens to be a clone of the emperor.

Yeah, I am thinking at it from the perspective of someone who wants to do it...aaaand.. they can do it right now if they want to, who cares, roleplay how you want, the opinions of others don't matter if you find the right people to vibe with and they agree with your roleplay. All I'm saying is if it becomes more prevalent and actual canon, and easy to access in lore, it will bite at the very foundation of roleplay. Your character being unique. Bio-engineering and cloning isn't exactly accessible to the regular joe either, so I don't know why this was brought up, that's allagan level stuff. Plastic surgery and fantasia aren't even in the same category in terms of impact. Like I said, IF they make fantasia canon, I hope they make it extra super giga rare. That's mildly acceptable to ME.

I'm outie 5000 from this thread o/ Don't think I can read another "You seem like the type of person who doesn't sort their garbage in different bins... Just a guess. By the way you type, you seem like a "paper goes in the plastic" type of guy."

...did he really just claim his experience was universal, and that Fantasias are just universally derided because he derides them? Because I'm not sure how else to read it.

I've never met someone outright hate Fantasias before. Even the people I've met in the RP community who aren't interested just sorta leave everyone else be (and fair enough, there's storylines I'm not interested in touching, so I just leave those people be). It's not exactly a common subject.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

...did he really just claim his experience was universal, and that Fantasias are just universally derided because he derides them? Because I'm not sure how else to read it.

I've never met someone outright hate Fantasias before. Even the people I've met in the RP community who aren't interested just sorta leave everyone else be (and fair enough, there's storylines I'm not interested in touching, so I just leave those people be). It's not exactly a common subject.

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No clue. I only brought up the other ways a person can drastically alter their appearance even if those things aren't as readily available to the masses due to their original post being about not liking the idea that an item up til now didn't have lore and was in a gray area when it comes to cannon being the only "problematic" way a person could change how they look from an rp perspective. I feel as we're in a wait and see what the quest says. As it will be the 2nd for most free Fantasia that a person can get without spending any money.

I don't dabble in the rp community but I just don't see them giving it lore that would state that they're mass produced. That and I doubt giving it lore now will change the numbers much as people will already have it as part of their character's story if they used it to explain why they look completely different now. Like an OOC factor has always made the availability of the item have zero chance of how rare the item should be. I just again don't feel there will be a bigger uptick in the numbers of rpers wanting to write in Fantasia use than whatever percentage there already is just because of them gaining lore now.

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I believe a history lesson in order to help bridge some of the gaps.

All the way back in ARR, there was only one RP community, mainly located on Aether, that NA and EU shared together. The reason for this was, for some reason, the Chaos datacenter was located inside of North America, not Europe, until 2015. Back in those days, the rules regarding fantasias in the RP community at-large was, for the most part, unified and fantasias were largely not canonical in the slightest, mainly due to lack of clarification from the devs and the amount of trouble fantasias would introduce into RP, particularly if they were considered common. The only thing regarding fantasias the players got from the devs at the time was this:

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“Fantasia works in a unique way. It can’t simply turn you into whoever you want, or people could get away with anything. Crime would be out of control. Even on Earth, people have the opportunity to change who they are – cut their hair, get a facelift, find a new career or a different spouse – but we often aren’t willing to make those drastic life changes. Fantasia gives you the courage to make the changes you’ve always wanted to make. Maybe you are Lalafell trapped in a Roegadyn’s body, it’s time to break out! And all you needed was that courage in a phial!” - 2014 London Fanfest Q&A

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The big issue here would be that since it doesn't either hard confirm fantasias to be real or not real, it didn't really move the needle as to how RP was viewed back in those days. This largely continued to be the view all the way through HW, as no extra clarification would be given and, while Chaos was now located inside of continental Europe, there was no incentive to move since the NA DCs were still located in Canada.

This changed in 2017, when the Crystal DC was created and the NA servers were moved from the Montreal, Quebec, Canada to Sacramento, California, US. Large communities of people were cut from each other due to the Crystal DC being formed out of servers originally on Aether and Primal, chiefly among them Balmung. Adding insult to injury, the EU players in particular would now also have massively increased ping due to the servers moving across the North American continent. As such, a large chunk of EU RPers elected to transfer from NA to EU, thus splitting the RP community into now EU RP and NA RP. Finally, the last time the devs said anything about fantasias would occur in 2019, during an interview with the localization team.

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“While the Fantasia potion has some in-world flavor text, it’s mainly meant to be seen as a meta object. For example, you wouldn’t see it’s use, or reference to its use in storylines since in effect it doesn’t actually exist.” -Localization Team Interview 2019

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Much time has passed since all of that, and while the EU players largely stayed the same, NA players changed which I will go into briefly below. Do note these are generalizations and do not reflect any given individual inside of a specific RP community. If you assume I am saying this about all RPers of a specific DC region, you would be extremely wrong.

EU RPers tend to prefer the structure of having characters that are extremely grounded in the lore, thus anything that is not canonical would be generally frowned upon in their respective communities. EU RP also tends to be considerably more closed off compared to its NA counterparts, preferring to organize their RP sessions inside of various Discord servers and FCs dedicated to the subject. Open RP is not as common as it is on NA DCs. Based on what Hallarem is describing, it would seem he is likely someone who RPs on EU DCs, where things tend to be more organized at least compared to NA and their aversion to fantasias in RP is indeed common among EU RPers.

NA RPers, unlike their EU counterparts, tend to use a lot more creative freedom within their RP. As such, you tend to encounter things that are not as strongly grounded inside of the canon of the setting, if there is any grounding at all in some cases. For NA RPers, this means items such as fantasias are not as significant of a problem and thus, there tend to be few issues involving fantasias inside of NA RP. In addition, while I do know organized RP does exist on the NA DCs, it is not as prevalent compared to EU where it is the main form used and NA tends to be more open, which is extremely obvious if you go to Limsa Lominsa Aetheryte Plaza, Balmung's Ul'Dah, or any of the large venues that exists where you can RP with people you may have never encountered before. Note you can encounter open RP on EU DCs, but it is not the main mode RP is done on those DCs.

And herein lies the problem. Comparing the two communities, significant differences exist between EU and NA RP in a host of different ways. Fantasias being allowed or not allowed being one of the contrasting points is one of them, and as such why you can encounter people, particularly EU RPers, who do not like the idea of fantasias being allowed.

Now that the history lesson has concluded, please note anything above that is describing a specific RPing community is a generalization. You will be able to find contradictions to the generalization were you to look and I am very much aware of this. If you ask me, RP should be a rather consensual affair where parties agree with what they find acceptable inside of RP and what they dont find acceptable inside of their RP, and ultimately this is what makes people enjoy RP is having fun with other people and their various ideas inside of some form of sandbox, where the sandbox can have as many rules or lack thereof as the people inside the sandbox want.

Finally, while I know the person you were talking to had their moments, it would do you some good to escape the bubble-universe you seem to inhabit. You would be a lot more enjoyable and a lot less miserable to talk to if you stop being as aggressive (particularly when you are wrong) and try to understand where the other person may be coming from.

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Originally Posted by ZavosEsperian

I believe a history lesson in order to help bridge some of the gaps.

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Get better things to do than spewing out a wall of text to claim superiority. Especially when it doesn't have any actual connection to what I've been saying.

The point I was always making is that the 'RP community' has no actual consensus or authority, and by nature cannot have one, because any power is ultimately entirely dismissable because someone can just say 'actually nah', and nobody can do anything at all to stop them, ever. You can claim trends, you cannot claim consensus or law, especially in enforcement. I don't care how much more 'structured' one community is compared to the other; both groups have exactly the same lack of capacity to actually enforce anything.

...except, as it happens, when it comes to the game's content itself. At the end of the day, the only things we can ever agree on are what the game says. The game itself is the supreme authority. We agree that Mhach exists, because Mhach is physically there; we agree that Mhach was in the Fifth Astral Era, because the lore tells us it was; we agree on how their skillset of Black Mage works, because there's a story about it. Nobody has any power to refute any of that on anything more than a small, individual scale.

Fantasias were in an odd grey area specifically because they didn't have clear lore, they only had nebulous answers in out-of-game interviews. However, they unquestionably exist as an in-game thing; they're as present in our inventory as soul crystals, Allagan currency, and animal skins. Therefore people will want to use them and nobody can stop them, even if they think they can or should... but there's no guidelines as to how you do so.

Them getting lore, even if it's just a thin 'they exist and here's a scene where you get given one', actually does solve the problem. ...you just have to recognize that the problem isn't 'people want to use Fantasias', as that guy seemed to think it was.

I don't particularly care if you think I'm 'enjoyable to talk to'. Because you're certainly neither enjoyable, nor talking to me; you just lecture for the sake of producing a screen full of words.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

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witnesses this post

https://i.imgur.com/jUKZvVL.gif

Level and story skips also exist as items in your inventory. Are they real in game? If so who wrote them - if you own one and play through the content it refers to anyway did your character really do it or did the in game author? Is your character just supplanting the true warrior of light ever after? This is an equivalent item to fantasia, not boar leather.

And yes, by nature of being an encompassing structured community they do have the power to enforce their cultural norms through exclusion or peer pressure. You are much more limited if the only person you can rp with is yourself.

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Level and story skips also exist as items in your inventory. Are they real in game? If so who wrote them - if you own one and play through the content it refers to anyway did your character really do it or did the in game author? Is your character just supplanting the true warrior of light ever after? This is an equivalent item to fantasia, not boar leather.

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Honestly, this is a fair equivalent, that we're probably only saved from having to deal with because the skips are boring. Fantasias are both interesting by themselves and potentially facilitators of interesting stories, there's plenty of reasons you'd want to write in a Fantasia. But skips are basically uninteresting by design; they exist to allow someone to not 'do the work.' And by and large people want stories to exist around their characters, so nobody (or at least, nobody I've ever met or seen) really wants to write in a skip book, because we all realize it'd be more fun for our characters to go through a journey to reach that destination, be that journey either in their present or their past. Meanwhile, the Fantasia can be that journey itself.

As it happens, I do run an RP venue that's got relevance here, a combination pharmacy/bookshop (As I've described it sometimes OOC, 'your one-stop shop for plot furtherance'). And in terms of specific instances around both of these in RP, Fantasias have come up a decent handful of times; people ask more around them than for them, probably because of that canon-iffiness, but it's clearly on the players' mind. On the other hand, nobody wants a skip book. A potentially similar thing that they do often want, though, are books about a job; not a book that will suddenly make you an expert at it, but a job that gets the ball rolling, allows them to write that story. And incidentally, it's usually for jobs that don't have an especially welcome 'in' for the average person; Red Mage, Dark Knight, Reaper. The stuff where you can't necessarily adapt the job quest.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Honestly, this is a fair equivalent, that we're probably only saved from having to deal with because the skips are boring.

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Skip books kind of have an interesting basic premise – it's an enchanted book so potent that reading it not only convinces you that you've lived through the author's adventures, but convinces all the author's friends as well. But the results probably hew too close to canon for good original-character RP, unless perhaps you invent a similar book that convinces you of something else.

Perhaps this other book doesn't work quite so well, and one day this complete stranger walks in absolutely insistent that he's a well-known author or journalist despite clearly not being them.

Oh that was a intressting History Lesson.
While not active i play on the EU Side and was aware of the grounded nature of most characters and RPs.
I didnt knew about the NA Culture so it was quiete informative.
Thanks for that :D

Where's the quest for it? I'm in world home return limbo where both destination and where I'm at are less than 40 queue but can't go into either.might as well see the quest with an alt

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Where's the quest for it? I'm in world home return limbo where both destination and where I'm at are less than 40 queue but can't go into either.might as well see the quest with an alt

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Ul'dah, the Marketboard area.

On topic - I find it funny that, in a world like XIV's, some people are fussing over an appearance change item.

Well, seems like the lore was just ambiguous enough to be satisfactory on all fronts :D

It certainly seems to nix the reality-bending idea. Funny to imagine someone having to formally warn and reintroduce themselves to everyone in their social circle before and after using one lol.

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It certainly seems to nix the reality-bending idea. Funny to imagine someone having to formally warn and reintroduce themselves to everyone in their social circle before and after using one lol.

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You could debatably say that we're the only ones that are actually aware of it; it's stated SUPER ambiguously, and the alchemist himself is basically Plausible Deniability: The Man, so it's hard to know how much weight to give his words.