Can we please stop destroying Aether DC with party finder? The lag is bad

I understand the reasoning as to why everyone decided to congregate onto a single data center for the purposes of party matching.... but we're choking the life out of Aether's instances.

I kept getting weird lag spikes - I wiped my party at least twice today because it was getting worse and worse and worse. At one point my character straight up stopped moving. At another point everyone swears I wasn't in the stack on their screens, even though it showed up fine on mine (I took a screenshot of my WAR centered on their corpses.)

It's frustrating to execute a near flawless Savage performance, mechanics-wise, and get killed because of lag. (Not a skill issue. I didn't miss a single tank tower all week, because those have enough time for the server to acknowledge the character position.)

I hope that with 7.0 SE does something to force PF to spread back out again. I'm tired of having to data center hop only to end right back up with 7 other people from my original data center, only playing on Aether because we were all convinced we HAD to do it at some point.

Pretty sure Party Finder congestion isn't causing your bad internet ping...

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

Pretty sure Party Finder congestion isn't causing your bad internet ping...

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Was the first thing I checked, up/down are 312/12 mbps, ping to Aether DC is currently 77 ms. (I've experienced the hell of Spectrum nodes putting me at 200 ms.)

This was different. This was much more like the server instability I experienced trying to run during Raubhan Ex instance crashes, or that time I crashed all of Primal's instances using Limit Break in Anamnesis Anynder. (Ever since then my friends joke my bard limit break was so powerful I crashed the world..... in reality, it was the instance server going down. Total coincidence, but still funny.)

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I understand the reasoning as to why everyone decided to congregate onto a single data center for the purposes of party matching.... but we're choking the life out of Aether's instances.

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Different duties aren't all going to be on the same physical machine. In rare cases I have suspected lag happening in one duty affect another and due to the large-scale duties but we've had numerous hardware upgrades since then as well.

I once couldn't queue for Amdapor Keep. You know why? Because bots had reached the limit on the number of Amdapor Keep instances. Since you were able to queue for it, it likely wasn't that congested.

Aether is also not nearly as congested as it gets during an expansion launch, where we had 5,000 person queues slowly going down over several hours. Yet people are actually able to play without lag then.

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I kept getting weird lag spikes - I wiped my party at least twice today because it was getting worse and worse and worse. At one point my character straight up stopped moving. At another point everyone swears I wasn't in the stack on their screens, even though it showed up fine on mine (I took a screenshot of my WAR centered on their corpses.)

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That can happen when there is a server hiccup but if you have wifi it can also happen from that. I think there was a DDoS yesterday because people were saying they got disconnected from all NA worlds, so it could have been that.

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I didn't miss a single tank tower all week, because those have enough time for the server to acknowledge the character position.

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Is fun to meet people who struggle with the the tank towers in P10S. They can be done consistently for years if you draw a line in MS paint to figure out what angle will launch you to the wrong position. Being at least slightly in front of the square quadrants line and about within the red ring is perfect. It typically aligns with the boss hitbox line as well, and with many marker setups you're in the corner of the nearest marker. Since I did the MS paint thing I haven't got it wrong since.

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I hope that with 7.0 SE does something to force PF to spread back out again.

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I hope so too.

I don't get it, you are not from Aether but want people to leave Aether so you can play on Aether? Is this yet another forum alt? You are free to play on primal.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

I don't get it, you are not from Aether but want people to leave Aether so you can play on Aether? Is this yet another forum alt? You are free to play on primal.

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No. I want people who are on Primal to stay on Primal so that there are actually parties forming on Primal.

We tried sticking around, for the first few months, with our half static. Then it became harder and harder to fill out a party in a timely manner on Primal.... because anyone willing to join a PF for raiding went to Aether for that.

It got to the point of, "If you can't beat em, join em."

I think if SE forced any given party to have the party leader be a member of the local data center it might solve the issue. People could still move to a data center to be with a static that way, but PF groups would need to have at least one member local to function.

Edit: lolol definitely not a Titanman alt, I'm usually one of the positive rays of sunshine in comparison around here

Working as intended - yoshipe

I see my prediction for Aether in Dawntrail is already starting to occur. I wish yall luck with log in times at launch. O7

This isn't gonna change without Square's intervention at this point or shutting off cross-DC. It's just too ingrained in the community now because, for some reason, people think labeling data centers is cool.

Weird... Idk if it's related but sometimes I've experienced some sort of 'visual lag' on Savage fights and Alliance raids. Basically there's a lag in the animations, telegraphs, etc, but the actual fight timeline is going as intended - even my character 'freezes', but still moves like that. A few seconds later all of the animations fire up all at once.

I don't want to think it's internet lag because if I know where to stand I can do mechanics correctly even though the visual telegraphs aren't showing properly.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Weird... Idk if it's related but sometimes I've experienced some sort of 'visual lag' on Savage fights and Alliance raids. Basically there's a lag in the animations, telegraphs, etc, but the actual fight timeline is going as intended - even my character 'freezes', but still moves like that. A few seconds later all of the animations fire up all at once.

I don't want to think it's internet lag because if I know where to stand I can do mechanics correctly even though the visual telegraphs aren't showing properly.

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Some of that is the nature of how snapshots work in XIV. The visual indicators are not when damage goes out, it's when the boss finishes casting. You can't always rely on the animations.

The upside of that is that you can start running the second the boss finishes the cast to get to the place for the next mechanic.

I would like to see footage of this specific issue.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

No. I want people who are on Primal to stay on Primal so that there are actually parties forming on Primal.

We tried sticking around, for the first few months, with our half static. Then it became harder and harder to fill out a party in a timely manner on Primal.... because anyone willing to join a PF for raiding went to Aether for that.

It got to the point of, "If you can't beat em, join em."

I think if SE forced any given party to have the party leader be a member of the local data center it might solve the issue. People could still move to a data center to be with a static that way, but PF groups would need to have at least one member local to function.

Edit: lolol definitely not a Titanman alt, I'm usually one of the positive rays of sunshine in comparison around here

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So .. this has nothing to do with Aether ping.

Guess the first resonse was right, nothing to do with ping LMAOOOO

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I see my prediction for Aether in Dawntrail is already starting to occur. I wish yall luck with log in times at launch. O7

This isn't gonna change without Square's intervention at this point or shutting off cross-DC. It's just too ingrained in the community now because, for some reason, people think labeling data centers is cool.

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Lorelai, Yoshi P has been apparently heard on interviews or LL that he's fine with Mana being the designated raiding DC. So having Aether as the NA one, looks to be their goal.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

So .. this has nothing to do with Aether ping.

Guess the first resonse was right, nothing to do with ping LMAOOOO



Lorelai, Yoshi P has been apparently heard on interviews or LL that he's fine with Mana being the designated raiding DC. So having Aether as the NA one, looks to be their goal.

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Then I guess this thread is ultimately pointless? Ultimately it doesn't bother me, I won't be sitting in an hour long queue regardless.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I see my prediction for Aether in Dawntrail is already starting to occur. I wish yall luck with log in times at launch. O7

This isn't gonna change without Square's intervention at this point or shutting off cross-DC. It's just too ingrained in the community now because, for some reason, people think labeling data centers is cool.

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I just hope they crank that home datacenter priority setting to max which apparently does exist to some degree, datacenter natives should completely bypass travelers in the queue.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

I just hope they crank that home datacenter priority setting to max which apparently does exist to some degree, datacenter natives should completely bypass travelers in the queue.

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Aether is crowded with or without travelers, the WoW exodus caused that to happen since all of the big streamers made a home there and people wanted to be close to them. Making it into the official raid DC just made an already existing problem a lot worse.

This thread seems like a bunch of baloney. Is this a topic disguised as some DC travel complaint thread?

They can't just turn off cross-DC travel now. It would destroy the raiding community. Like, imagine how many static groups wold be destroyed if they said DC travel was being removed? Group are already full speed into recruitment for DT. And it's nice to be able to form a static group with everyone.


The only solution they have is cross-DC partyfinder. And I really hope it's something they've been working on and will be around for DT.

What they need to do for dawntrail is disable travel to aether. Can sell go elsewhere. At least for the first month.

I haven't experienced any issues like this over the past few weeks, so it may be isolated to the route you're using to connect to the game servers.

I would advise trying a VPN if you have access to one, and seeing if it improves. Exitlag offers a 3 day free trial, so I usually end up recommending it to people troubleshooting issues like this.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I haven't experienced any issues like this over the past few weeks, so it may be isolated to the route you're using to connect to the game servers.

I would advise trying a VPN if you have access to one, and seeing if it improves. Exitlag offers a 3 day free trial, so I usually end up recommending it to people troubleshooting issues like this.

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I'm a Spectrum customer so I'm well aware of the pain and suffering that the NTT nodes like inflict upon us, specifically the San Jose ones.

The server input lag caused by high pings is different than what I was experienced a couple of weeks ago. God, the snapshots were so bad in P10S that three different pairs died even though they looked like they were clean on everyone's screens. The windows in that fight are so tight that even a fraction of a second is enough to murder you. You can't even use "where is the dead body" as your forensics for who screwed up because people die in the right spot. Server don't care, server thought you were two pixels too far away, too bad, you failed the mechanic, GOOD DAY SIR.

I've seen SE noticing instance problems on other servers and other data centers since then - I'm crossing my fingers that the server maintenance they do in prep for DT (some of which starts tonight on the EU data center) alleviates some of the issues.

I've actually started keeping an eye out for any PFs on my home data center and joined them as a tank to encourage the practice. Maybe it was pure placebo effect, but I didn't experience any of the jitters in those runs that I had been experiencing on Aether.

I never said I wanted DC party travel to stop. I know that cat is out of the bag and people are finally able to be in statics with their friends. I would simply like SE to find means of encouraging people to spread out their statics, and not dogpile on a single beleaguered data center, if they can avoid it.

And for PF to not ALL be on a single data center. The instance cap is going to hit the limit for sure that first week in DT.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

No. I want people who are on Primal to stay on Primal so that there are actually parties forming on Primal.

We tried sticking around, for the first few months, with our half static. Then it became harder and harder to fill out a party in a timely manner on Primal.... because anyone willing to join a PF for raiding went to Aether for that.

It got to the point of, "If you can't beat em, join em."

I think if SE forced any given party to have the party leader be a member of the local data center it might solve the issue. People could still move to a data center to be with a static that way, but PF groups would need to have at least one member local to function.

Edit: lolol definitely not a Titanman alt, I'm usually one of the positive rays of sunshine in comparison around here

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We have the same issue on Chaos, Chaos players goes to Light for PF, Chaos PF is 90% (e...)RP venues
Asking people to stop moving is.... I have no words for that
Merge both DC PFs, or merge both DC

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I understand the reasoning as to why everyone decided to congregate onto a single data center for the purposes of party matching.... but we're choking the life out of Aether's instances.

I kept getting weird lag spikes - I wiped my party at least twice today because it was getting worse and worse and worse. At one point my character straight up stopped moving. At another point everyone swears I wasn't in the stack on their screens, even though it showed up fine on mine (I took a screenshot of my WAR centered on their corpses.)

It's frustrating to execute a near flawless Savage performance, mechanics-wise, and get killed because of lag. (Not a skill issue. I didn't miss a single tank tower all week, because those have enough time for the server to acknowledge the character position.)

I hope that with 7.0 SE does something to force PF to spread back out again. I'm tired of having to data center hop only to end right back up with 7 other people from my original data center, only playing on Aether because we were all convinced we HAD to do it at some point.

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I have an idea... everyone stay on their own world then the queues on your world wont' be so bad, cause guess what? They'll actually be people. And you're not even FROM AETHER! You're from Lamia.......

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Weird... Idk if it's related but sometimes I've experienced some sort of 'visual lag' on Savage fights and Alliance raids. Basically there's a lag in the animations, telegraphs, etc, but the actual fight timeline is going as intended - even my character 'freezes', but still moves like that. A few seconds later all of the animations fire up all at once.

I don't want to think it's internet lag because if I know where to stand I can do mechanics correctly even though the visual telegraphs aren't showing properly.

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That is internet lag.. probably on YOUR end. MY net was so bad it hiccuped and froze alot, if i did't dc it was like u said, everything goes off at once catching up. My net's a lot bette rnow, if i even get the d/c symbol it only lasts a second or two now.

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Originally Posted by AzhreiVahlok

I have an idea... everyone stay on their own world then the queues on your world wont' be so bad, cause guess what? They'll actually be people. And you're not even FROM AETHER! You're from Lamia.......

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That's the point. I'm tired of being told that I have to go to Aether to get in a party finder party. I want to stay on Primal.

And when I try to find a PF party on Lamia , 99% of time it's crickets, BECAUSE EVERYONE WENT TO AETHER

Nope
CANT STOP WONT STOP GET IT GET IT
If you think pf listings on Aether cause lag, go to Crystal so the other tab can lag you out and you can be upset about that instead. I've been an Aether player for years without a single issue.

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Originally Posted by 1313

Nope
CANT STOP WONT STOP GET IT GET IT
If you think pf listings on Aether cause lag, go to Crystal so the other tab can lag you out and you can be upset about that instead. I've been an Aether player for years without a single issue.

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The rest of us getting off your DC will improve things for you guys, too.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

The rest of us getting off your DC will improve things for you guys, too.

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Nah. You just need a better device/connection/isp, or something... The game runs flawlessly for me 99.99% of the time. I barely lose fps when I got to Limsa. It's a you thing. So visitors really makes no difference.

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Originally Posted by Patesaupesto

We have the same issue on Chaos, Chaos players goes to Light for PF

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Most still stay remain on chaos. There are only a few cases where going to light helps. Chaos might be a bit more emtpy, but its not inactive. For all the EW extremes i had no struggles finding PFs, or getting one to fill in a reasonable time (15mins). Even the unreal is well doable on chaos. And close to the release of savages, even they are easily filled.

Sure, 90% might be RP (i blatantly ignore those as i always filter category anyway). But i wouldnt be surprised if light also has that, but its just burried behind the list of non RP PFs.

Light just has more people, which means more PFs.