Mounts that don't show the players' characters are lame...

Am I the only one or are other people disappointed too when we either seemingly transform into another creature/object or hide inside it?

The first one was the Lunar Whale. I'm not one to spend much money on cash shop cosmetics but I was very hyped about an 8-player mount. When I saw the previews of it though, not showing any riders, that made me completely lose interest in buying it. I gave them a pass because I thought maybe it was technical limitation to sync up 8 character models riding together or something.
But they've kept adding more. The Rising Phoenix, the 4 Million MGP zeppelin thing, the Fall Guys rhino (I mean they could at least show our head sticking out it's backside a la Ace Ventura??). It just feels at this point like they were too cheap/lazy to pose our character models on them.
And now I'm watching the video for the Dawntrail Collector's Edition "Ark" mount and I can't see a character riding it anywhere so it appears to be another one. I mean the mount is just a re-skin of Cruise Chaser, reconfiguration and all, and they managed to put character models on that just fine. What gives? Similar as with the Lunar Whale, it makes me not want to spend extra money for it because I don't want to encourage them to keep this up. This might be the first Collector's Edition I pass on.
At PAX East Yoshi P said in Dawntrail we'd be getting about "1.5x more rewards" from content including more mounts. I sure hope they're not finding the resources to do this because they're planning to skip out on posing and animating character models on a bunch of them.

Do you extend the same logic to mounts that alter the shape of the player character, or otherwise make them not able to be viewed as normal as the "Miw Miisv", "Level Checker". or those that are designed to not scale to the player character for interesting or intentional contrast(like the Tank, or Regalia)

If you've seen how the different effects and Armors can mess with implementing Mounts, or other visual effects.

It's understandable why some mounts, it just makes sense.

(But in the end, it's all Subjectives. The funny thing about the Rhino, is the fact it scales. Just like many other mounts. But not all Mounts Scale.)

Hopefully they do add things that you'll enjoy.

But them not showing the Character as you'd like isn't one of the issues overall.

But... the Lunar Whale is a giant spaceship from FF4. Wouldn't it be kind of weird seeing 8 people ride on top of it when it's main purpose was to travel between the planet and the moon?

i would love to have more mechanical mounts like the tankard , something with an actual cockpit to protect the character from weather , rain,snow and such...instead we have bunch of animals in weird "mounting" positions...looking at you gorilla...

Personally, I only need three mounts:

• Spectral Statice for solo travel -- for me, nothings beats its aesthetics
• Garlond GL-IS for fast travel in new areas and for travel with a friend, and
• the Regalia for 4-person expeditions

So I don't care about other mounts -- not unless they offer a "mount" that is just Statice's wings on your back, I'd love that.

Tip: having a macro of "/ridepillion <2>" bound to a key takes a lot of the hassle out of riding pillion.

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Originally Posted by Espon

But... the Lunar Whale is a giant spaceship from FF4. Wouldn't it be kind of weird seeing 8 people ride on top of it when it's main purpose was to travel between the planet and the moon?

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I haven't played 4 so I wasn't aware. I wasn't sure if it was mechanical or an animal/alien. I see your point, however in FF14 it's just meandering around small scale areas like the rest of the mounts so I still think our characters could ride on top like they do the other whale mount.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Do you extend the same logic to mounts that alter the shape of the player character, or otherwise make them not able to be viewed as normal as the "Miw Miisv", "Level Checker". or those that are designed to not scale to the player character for interesting or intentional contrast(like the Tank, or Regalia)

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I'm not sure why that would be the same logic. I love how our characters are creatively posed and animated in/on those mounts. I particularly like when different races/genders have unique poses on the same mount. I love to see that level of effort from the devs to make them extra interesting.

you cry babys need to stop crying about everything.

I want 6-sited garlean dropship that conceals you.

Mao would like see big multi-occupants flying warship where occupants each man a cannon whats each has own shooting emote controlled by that occupants.

I disagree entirely. I love that we transform into the Rising Phoenix mount rather than ride on its back. I love it so much that I've seldom used any other mount since getting it.

To each their own.

Not really bothered by it myself - not when something like this is a thing:
https://primagames.com/wp-content/up...sa-mount-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Mao would like see big multi-occupants flying warship where occupants each man a cannon whats each has own shooting emote controlled by that occupants.

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Well, it would be, just like my spouse and my characters making out in the back seat of the regalia would be fun.
And perhaps that's why when you are riding pillion, the game doesn't let you do anything: can't use a cordial, or an aethercompass, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Cielouranos

Am I the only one or are other people disappointed too when we either seemingly transform into another creature/object or hide inside it?

The first one was the Lunar Whale. I'm not one to spend much money on cash shop cosmetics but I was very hyped about an 8-player mount. When I saw the previews of it though, not showing any riders, that made me completely lose interest in buying it. I gave them a pass because I thought maybe it was technical limitation to sync up 8 character models riding together or something.
But they've kept adding more. The Rising Phoenix, the 4 Million MGP zeppelin thing, the Fall Guys rhino (I mean they could at least show our head sticking out it's backside a la Ace Ventura??). It just feels at this point like they were too cheap/lazy to pose our character models on them.
And now I'm watching the video for the Dawntrail Collector's Edition "Ark" mount and I can't see a character riding it anywhere so it appears to be another one. I mean the mount is just a re-skin of Cruise Chaser, reconfiguration and all, and they managed to put character models on that just fine. What gives? Similar as with the Lunar Whale, it makes me not want to spend extra money for it because I don't want to encourage them to keep this up. This might be the first Collector's Edition I pass on.
At PAX East Yoshi P said in Dawntrail we'd be getting about "1.5x more rewards" from content including more mounts. I sure hope they're not finding the resources to do this because they're planning to skip out on posing and animating character models on a bunch of them.

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I don't see how it is cheap or lazy. It is very much an intended design choice to have the player transform or ride inside it. As long as the mount design is interesting, I personally don't care if the player rides on it, inside it or transforms into it.

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Originally Posted by Cielouranos

Am I the only one or are other people disappointed too when we either seemingly transform into another creature/object or hide inside it?

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If you are disappointed, then do not buy/use them. Problem solved. :)




Cheers

I don't mind mounts that don't show the player, but when it's a multi-person mount, I want to see all of us in some way. I was really disappointed by the Lunar Whale; I think it would have been so much better if it even just showed the faces of everyone riding in it looking out the port holes or something.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Not really bothered by it myself - not when something like this is a thing:
https://primagames.com/wp-content/up...sa-mount-2.jpg

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What's wrong with that one, it's cute lol
Anyway, I really love the Rising Phoenix one because you become the mount. The one of the type you're suggesting that I'm a bit iffy about is the FF6 airship one, though I do like the look of most of it.

I love the Omega mount and how you hop inside when flying.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

I don't see how it is cheap or lazy. It is very much an intended design choice to have the player transform or ride inside it. As long as the mount design is interesting, I personally don't care if the player rides on it, inside it or transforms into it.

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I guess I don't understand the design choice on several of them. Are we supposed to be crammed inside the Fall Guys rhino? What happens to us with the Rising Phoenix? Some people seem to be under the impression that we transform into it but the description says we summon a familiar that assumes the likeness of the phoenix.

On the flipside, I love those mounts that look like my character 'transformed' into it, like the Phoenix... Plus, they are what, 5% of them? I think I can count on my hand the number of mounts that behave like that.

Is similar to people that hate the 'joke weapons' when they are, in fact, just a couple in the face of so many serious ones.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

What's wrong with that one, it's cute lol
Anyway, I really love the Rising Phoenix one because you become the mount. The one of the type you're suggesting that I'm a bit iffy about is the FF6 airship one, though I do like the look of most of it.

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Nothing wrong with the Paissa itself - I just hate the whole 'hanging off the chest' element of it. It looks ridiculous to me.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Nothing wrong with the Paissa itself - I just hate the whole 'hanging off the chest' element of it. It looks ridiculous to me.

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Fair point! I think it's kinda funny and you can get some nice pictures if you freeze in the flying position, but it is silly looking.

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Originally Posted by Cielouranos

I guess I don't understand the design choice on several of them. Are we supposed to be crammed inside the Fall Guys rhino? What happens to us with the Rising Phoenix? Some people seem to be under the impression that we transform into it but the description says we summon a familiar that assumes the likeness of the phoenix.

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We have space jellyfish mounts that shrink us to miniature size, so that we float inside them. Not all that unbelievable that our character sizes shrink for the rhino too.

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Originally Posted by Cielouranos

I guess I don't understand the design choice on several of them. Are we supposed to be crammed inside the Fall Guys rhino? What happens to us with the Rising Phoenix? Some people seem to be under the impression that we transform into it but the description says we summon a familiar that assumes the likeness of the phoenix.

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lunar whale: its a spaceship not an actual whale, its just a name
rhino: yes
rising phoenix: its a recolor of two other phoenix mounts where you ride them, the fact you arnt on thsi one thus is deliberate.

I don't like something done by *check notes* three mounts out of a couple hundreds. Time to make a thread

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Originally Posted by Taliriah

I don't like something done by *check notes* three mounts out of a couple hundreds. Time to make a thread

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Including the Ark in the DT Collector's Edition it's at least 5 mounts and all in the last couple years. It's looking like a trend at this point and I'm free to give my feedback about it. If people disagree that's perfectly fine, I'm happy for you if you enjoy the mounts and I'm sure the devs are happy people are satisfied with them.

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Originally Posted by Cielouranos

Including the Ark in the DT Collector's Edition it's at least 5 mounts and all in the last couple years. It's looking like a trend at this point and I'm free to give my feedback about it. If people disagree that's perfectly fine, I'm happy for you if you enjoy the mounts and I'm sure the devs are happy people are satisfied with them.

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Wow it means there could be as many as ten of them in two years. This is extremely serious

There's room for all kinds of mounts. This is such a non-issue.

i actually disagree,

That Airship mount that is the original FF Airship is pretty cool and that one does not show the player, because it wouldn't make sense to.

Do you really want to try to ride on the deck of the Ark? Looks like those propellers would cut you to pieces.

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Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant

Tip: having a macro of "/ridepillion <2>" bound to a key takes a lot of the hassle out of riding pillion.

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Thank you for this tip! That never occurred to me.

I'm fine with embodying the Rising Phoenix instead of riding it. I just wish it didn't have that blinding blue-cyan element. :( While that design element frustrates me artistically, the bigger problem is that it *literally* hurts my eyes and makes me more likely to end up in a migraine. It's disappointing that I can't use it, but that still doesn't remedy the issue because I still have to deal with other players doing so. It's a problem from an accessibility standpoint.

Wait, so the DT mount DOES conceal you? GDI...

Good thing you got a bajillion other mounts to choose from. I think it's fine to have a few outliers

Personally I like the mounts that hide the player it offers more design choices for when they make the mounts, and they are few and far between that there is plenty of options for those that don't like it,

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Originally Posted by keichirou

i would love to have more mechanical mounts like the tankard , something with an actual cockpit to protect the character from weather , rain,snow and such...instead we have bunch of animals in weird "mounting" positions...looking at you gorilla...

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FINALLY got that recently. I honestly really hate that the character stands up the whole time with arms by their side. How am I piloting it, my feet?

I'm more annoyed by the fact that there is no transformation animation for the rising phoenix but that aside, i do enjoy mount that feel like you changed form.

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Originally Posted by Cielouranos

Am I the only one or are other people disappointed too when we either seemingly transform into another creature/object or hide inside it?

The first one was the Lunar Whale. I'm not one to spend much money on cash shop cosmetics but I was very hyped about an 8-player mount. When I saw the previews of it though, not showing any riders, that made me completely lose interest in buying it. I gave them a pass because I thought maybe it was technical limitation to sync up 8 character models riding together or something.
But they've kept adding more. The Rising Phoenix, the 4 Million MGP zeppelin thing, the Fall Guys rhino (I mean they could at least show our head sticking out it's backside a la Ace Ventura??). It just feels at this point like they were too cheap/lazy to pose our character models on them.
And now I'm watching the video for the Dawntrail Collector's Edition "Ark" mount and I can't see a character riding it anywhere so it appears to be another one. I mean the mount is just a re-skin of Cruise Chaser, reconfiguration and all, and they managed to put character models on that just fine. What gives? Similar as with the Lunar Whale, it makes me not want to spend extra money for it because I don't want to encourage them to keep this up. This might be the first Collector's Edition I pass on.
At PAX East Yoshi P said in Dawntrail we'd be getting about "1.5x more rewards" from content including more mounts. I sure hope they're not finding the resources to do this because they're planning to skip out on posing and animating character models on a bunch of them.

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I agree that they suck but I... just don't use them. I've got like 6 whole pages in the mount guide, it is ok if I just ignore the 5 or so of them that are like this. Some people probably think it rules to not see their player character and while this makes no sense to me, they should get some catering to because why not?

There are some mounts where I don't want to see my character dangling from it or just riding the head. I'm happy that with the new Ark Mount, our characters are nowhere to be seen. I wanna Pilot it and not ride it.