Overtime is a problem.

Overtime exists as a mechanic so that a losing team can turn the game back around and win.

Usually it works as intended when it's letting one of the teams get back from a losing position, but when it's a tie that's being fought out of, it can easily make the game last three times as long if not more, especially if both teams (which are completely random, given that it's impossible to queue in a party and the only matchmaking ensures that you can't have two of the same job on the same team) are swayed more towards defense than offense.

Overtime should have its own time limit, just like in almost every single IRL sport, since that's where the term comes from. People shouldn't have to suffer through 10+ minute games because they're too "evenly matched". If it somehow isn't possible to give the win to the team that has the most progress on breaking the 50% gate, call it "Sudden Death" and prevent people from being raised.

One thing I hate about over time is that I feel like I can't leave the crystal for any reason. Got a BLM and WHM casting off crystal? To bad can't smack them cause if you walk off the match ends.

I vaguely remember there can be a tie? Or my memory failed me?

There can? even i got my 100 wins and never saw one lol

Yes just yesterday i had such matches... like if it was 70/70 and evenly, sure. But we had matches with Overtime where it was 80-90/0-5... like really, just end that.

I think overtime is good for a second chance and it is also good if the teams are tied, it makes it way more intense to play and try to get the win.

I don't understand what people can have anything against it?

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I think overtime is good for a second chance and it is also good if the teams are tied, it makes it way more intense to play and try to get the win.

I don't understand what people can have anything against it?

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I don't think people have anything against overtime existing as a mechanic, it's just that it should have a time limit of its own. It's very rare but you can get matches that go over 20 minutes because the teams are quite evenly matched and neither team can actually break the checkpoint.

5 minutes MAX of overtime would be what I'd appreciate, and block any respawns after that timer expires. There should be no draws in CC.

The reason I don't find overtime fun, is the same reason I don't find Aurum vale fun. It's tedious, its long, it's boring, and you just want to do something else. Maybe others find it nail biting and exciting, but prolonged matches aren't fun for me.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I don't think people have anything against overtime existing as a mechanic, it's just that it should have a time limit of its own. It's very rare but you can get matches that go over 20 minutes because the teams are quite evenly matched and neither team can actually break the checkpoint.

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Then may the ones the has the most fatigue lose... it is natural selection by then... and yes 20 minutes is fine.

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Originally Posted by Astrahime

Overtime should have its own time limit, just like in almost every single IRL sport, since that's where the term comes from. People shouldn't have to suffer through 10+ minute games because they're too "evenly matched". If it somehow isn't possible to give the win to the team that has the most progress on breaking the 50% gate, call it "Sudden Death" and prevent people from being raised.

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Technically there is a time limit of 30 minutes in which case the game is a "draw" but the odds of both teams lasting 30 minutes is slim.

They could just compensate the player by making the rewards you get scale with how long you've done the activity. Most other pvp games tend to do that and all they would have to do is just program it into the game. But I doubt they would ever do that tbh.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

They could just compensate the player by making the rewards you get scale with how long you've done the activity. Most other pvp games tend to do that and all they would have to do is just program it into the game. But I doubt they would ever do that tbh.

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That will make people exploit the feature..

PvP alone should carry the reward in itself, if all you want is to farm tomes and more... then there is better options for it.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

That will make people exploit the feature..

PvP alone should carry the reward in itself, if all you want is to farm tomes and more... then there is better options for it.

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They would prolly just have to find a way to scale it properly. Which would be hard to do obviously, and the only idea I can think of is just make the reward scale better if you win/lose but that has it's own scaling issues.

My opinion on the issue overall is that I like how the overtime system is, purely for the ability to maybe turn the tide and get a dub. I can understand if people don't want to put up with the prolong overtime of the mode, especially in casual where there isn't any long term stakes to losing a game.

Dumb thread.

Overtime exists because no team has yet won. The "losing team" has not lost yet and the "winning team" has not won yet. The victory conditions are simplified to create a match winner. A team that has not won in the first 5 minutes has no claim to winning that is violated by the other team winning in overtime.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

They would prolly just have to find a way to scale it properly. Which would be hard to do obviously, and the only idea I can think of is just make the reward scale better if you win/lose but that has it's own scaling issues.

My opinion on the issue overall is that I like how the overtime system is, purely for the ability to maybe turn the tide and get a dub. I can understand if people don't want to put up with the prolong overtime of the mode, especially in casual where there isn't any long term stakes to losing a game.

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If the other team is bad CC will be over in a minute or two... if both teams are awesome, then you will run into a long fight finding out who will come out on the top... embrace that, and that is what it should be about... and yes... I have won in overtime several times before being on the losing edge for the entire match, it definetely need to be a thing that we keep even if we get matches that last 40 minutes on a rare occation or the likes or whatever.

People are screaming for difficult and long lasting content, stop trying to want to take away some of it, that can turn into that... each time it occur for good it would be like beating Savage content, just different every single time compared to pre-scripted pve bosses.

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Originally Posted by Waaltar

Dumb thread.

Overtime exists because no team has yet won. The "losing team" has not lost yet and the "winning team" has not won yet. The victory conditions are simplified to create a match winner. A team that has not won in the first 5 minutes has no claim to winning that is violated by the other team winning in overtime.

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So true! It doesn't matter that the team that was winning before this was at 99% progress and the other side was only at 5%, let's go into overtime!

As said if one managed to 50 and the other turned it around to 99, but got pushed back again to 50ish, sure, let them have the chance... but not if its like 99/5...

Naw, those drawn out games are the best, precisely because the teams are evenly matched (for once). The win feels that much better and the loss feels better than getting stomped.