please fix the friendlist

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12-07-2023, 10:09 AM
AmpelioB

please fix the friendlist

ok first off all take that loading or whatever there is on the friend list on out it's so obnoxious, whatever the reason behind it not worth it

second double the thing
12-07-2023, 10:55 AM
Bacent

I'm the opposite. I want them to double the blacklist.

The loading on the friendlist is for checking if people are on another world though, since some stuff becomes limited when world jumping.
12-07-2023, 10:58 AM
Jeeqbit

It seems to receive 10 at a time and slowly adds them. It would be ideal to try to fit in more data than that over the network.

They could double it, but as someone who has reached the cap before, we'd probably just reach the new cap as well if it were doubled. Eventually, we just have to prune it.
12-07-2023, 11:40 AM
AmpelioB

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Originally Posted by Bacent

I'm the opposite. I want them to double the blacklist.

guess what, we can have both

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Originally Posted by Bacent

The loading on the friendlist is for checking if people are on another world though, since some stuff becomes limited when world jumping.

I don't care if they are in another world or where they are they being online is enough.
12-07-2023, 12:16 PM
Mosha

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

I don't care if they are in another world or where they are they being online is enough.

It needs to talk with other servers/DCs to check if people are online. It can't be instant.
12-07-2023, 10:07 PM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Mosha

It needs to talk with other servers/DCs to check if people are online. It can't be instant.

Maybe not in this game, but it is in games like Wow.

But what I want is to be removed from people's lists when I remove them and if I change my name for them not to be able to track me down by my old lodestone link. It's gross how enabling this game is to stalking. Especially if they stand just outside of bannable behavior.

And when I blacklist people make it so I can't group with them. Also, triple the size of it. Between the bots and the venue spam, it fills up quickly.
12-07-2023, 10:31 PM
Charles_Mephist

And they really need to improve the blacklist and friend removal interaction (jurassic dead horse I know)... recently me and some peeps left a FC due to some complications with the leader, but we know he can still track us from his fl side even tho we have him blacklisted. Its so annoying
12-07-2023, 10:42 PM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Charles_Mephist

And they really need to improve the blacklist and friend removal interaction (jurassic dead horse I know)... recently me and some peeps left a FC due to some complications with the leader, but we know he can still track us from his fl side even tho we have him blacklisted. Its so annoying

That's what I am dealing with as well. I left a bad situation, and I have someone who has me gps tracked.
12-07-2023, 11:52 PM
Avoidy

Here are my issues with it:
1) Slow loading, like OP said. Thanks to DC-travel and the buddy system's bugginess, half the time I can't even tell if certain friends are online because it loads them as offline or greyed out until I take that second step and click the little circle icon next to their name. This also makes cleaning out my friends list difficult; every time I delete a person, the entire list refreshes. It takes ages to remove multiple people.
2) No simple way to communicate a message to everyone on my friends list at once. Maplestory had a buddy chat channel. Anything you said in this channel was pushed to everyone on your friends list, and vice versa. It was crude but effective at what it needed to do. XIV has nothing like this. If you want to ask everyone on your friends list if they're interested in doing content, there's no way to quickly do this outside of making a crossworld linkshell (multiple, really) and begging all of your friends to join.
3) If I add someone to my friends list but regret it later, removing them on my end does nothing on their end. They can still see when I'm online, where I'm at in game, etc. This shouldn't be a one sided thing. If I remove you from my friends list, I should vanish on your end, too.
12-08-2023, 12:28 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Here are my issues with it:
1) Slow loading, like OP said. Thanks to DC-travel and the buddy system's bugginess, half the time I can't even tell if certain friends are online because it loads them as offline or greyed out until I take that second step and click the little circle icon next to their name. This also makes cleaning out my friends list difficult; every time I delete a person, the entire list refreshes. It takes ages to remove multiple people.
2) No simple way to communicate a message to everyone on my friends list at once. Maplestory had a buddy chat channel. Anything you said in this channel was pushed to everyone on your friends list, and vice versa. It was crude but effective at what it needed to do. XIV has nothing like this. If you want to ask everyone on your friends list if they're interested in doing content, there's no way to quickly do this outside of making a crossworld linkshell (multiple, really) and begging all of your friends to join.
3) If I add someone to my friends list but regret it later, removing them on my end does nothing on their end. They can still see when I'm online, where I'm at in game, etc. This shouldn't be a one sided thing. If I remove you from my friends list, I should vanish on your end, too.

100% agree with all of this.
12-08-2023, 02:06 AM
LilimoLimomo

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

ok first off all take that loading or whatever there is on the friend list on out

(the monkey's paw quivers)
12-08-2023, 07:08 AM
Mosha

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Maybe not in this game, but it is in games like Wow.

WoW's friend system is underpinned by BattleNet that's why it is instant because it's a separate service that underpins all their games.

Yeah, the other two things I agree with.
12-08-2023, 07:34 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Mosha

WoW's friend system is underpinned by BattleNet that's why it is instant because it's a separate service that underpins all their games.

Yeah, the other two things I agree with.

If it works steal it. I mean might as well. Make a SE launcher and have your friends list go through that so we don't have terrible 1.0 hold overs like we do now.
12-08-2023, 08:05 AM
Mosha

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

If it works steal it. I mean might as well. Make a SE launcher and have your friends list go through that so we don't have terrible 1.0 hold overs like we do now.

Yeah that's never going to happen, It's not worth the time and money to make the friends list load a little faster.
12-08-2023, 08:24 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Yeah that's never going to happen, It's not worth the time and money to make the friends list load a little faster.

It goes beyond just that though. It makes an ecosystem for their games. Like 11,14 and even 15 instead of or as well as putting it on Steam. It's actually a really smart idea.
12-08-2023, 08:34 AM
Mosha

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

It goes beyond just that though. It makes an ecosystem for their games. Like 11,14 and even 15 instead of or as well as putting it on Steam. It's actually a really smart idea.

15's online systems were shutdown and for 11 well it's a PS2 game ported to PC that is developed on black market PS2 devkits and voodoo. It's not worth it for them.
12-08-2023, 09:56 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Mosha

15's online systems were shutdown and for 11 well it's a PS2 game ported to PC that is developed on black market PS2 devkits and voodoo. It's not worth it for them.

I meant 16 sorry. These numbers all run together. But I don't understand why you are so dismissive. Calm down and open your mind.
12-08-2023, 09:56 AM
Menriq

Seeing as you can't even send DM's in instances, I would be willing to bet it's a lot more complicated then people think.
12-08-2023, 10:18 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Seeing as you can't even send DM's in instances, I would be willing to bet it's a lot more complicated then people think.

What's crazy is that back in 2004, you could do it in Classic Wow. So I have no idea what broke Kmart devs SE has, but their chat functionality is bad. And I'm not talking Bnet. This predates that. I remember when Bnet came out. You got a mini pet if you opted in.
12-08-2023, 10:24 AM
Boblawblah

You all have friends?

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-kcyGY...A-t500x500.jpg
12-08-2023, 10:25 AM
Menriq

Oh I don't disagree. I just meant it would be more complicated trying to muck around with what's there (since I would imagine it's part of the huge tech debt that has built up from 1.0) then simply "Just do what they are doing" is all.
12-08-2023, 10:29 AM
Ardeth

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Oh I don't disagree. I just meant it would be more complicated trying to muck around with what's there (since I would imagine it's part of the huge tech debt that has built up from 1.0) then simply "Just do what they are doing" is all.

But more over, most people don't even talk anymore anyway. So I'm not sure expanding them even if you could would change that. This game is easily the most anti-social social game I have ever played. I just want people to stop having me permanently on their friends list.
12-09-2023, 08:18 AM
localareanetwork

theres no reason for it to have a cap of 200 after dc travel, or for it to be one way (me deleting someone but still showing up on their list.) the friend list in this game is barbaric