(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

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We really need to address the supply and demand of large housing. Smalls are nowhere near this competitive and you've made no mention of the size of the buildings getting larger for Smalls/Mediums.

Not everyone is meant to get a large house.

It really is that simple.

I know yall hate that fact but it's the truth.

People on wow subreddit used to hate the rmt but you can see the trend shifting when most upvoted answer is "buy gold" and people condemning rmt are being downvoted and reported.
I agree with you Stormpeaks, but the problem is still not resolved when potential new players get to the game and see all mediums and larges are taken. If they want house, they are pressured to buy gil because the supply and demand creates fomo. Bid now or maybe in few months once some L vacates to repeat this bidding clownfest.

not to mention the famous 350$ shiro house drama. I can only guess there are groups that love to participate in bidding for more despite being owners already.

Supposedly they're working on a new system ("Housing Mirage") that would allow players to select the size of their house interior if they get it to work. That would help make the small plots more desirable if it happens.

Source is the live patch note reading for 6.5 but it's JP language only - the information was being shared by a few unofficial translations. Perhaps they'll share more info (or at least confirm what was said) at the EU FanFest this weekend.

As the other have said, mansions are made to be exclusive atm but that could change in the future, especially once PS4 support is dropped in 8.0 and allow major changes to occur such as smalls and mediums being able to be upgraded to a mansion (speculating at this point). For now, the best chance to win a mansion is to try during ward expansions or when new worlds open such as the four remaining worlds of Dynamis is opened once XBOX players join next Spring. For now, you just have to keep trying and hope you win, I won my current plot in Shiro back in May, so it's possible to win out of many people.

https://i.ibb.co/4ZYHnD8/ffxiv-05082023-110240-311.png

Could be worse
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...699-Go-Balmung

That was a small lol

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

Could be worse
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...699-Go-Balmung

That was a small lol

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Wow...... just wow.

Instead of "may you have better luck in the future", it should read "may the odds be ever in your favor".

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Originally Posted by Bradwr

Instead of "may you have better luck in the future", it should read "may the odds be ever in your favor".

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Word it how you want, it's still going to sound like "You lost, now sod off."

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

Could be worse
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...699-Go-Balmung

That was a small lol

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Balmung not surprised lol

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Supposedly they're working on a new system ("Housing Mirage") that would allow players to select the size of their house interior if they get it to work. That would help make the small plots more desirable if it happens.

Source is the live patch note reading for 6.5 but it's JP language only - the information was being shared by a few unofficial translations. Perhaps they'll share more info (or at least confirm what was said) at the EU FanFest this weekend.

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That would awesome if they pulled it off. Got my medium right before EW, always felt it would be enough room. Have realized now that I could use the larger interior. But not going to chase a large house for it though. So if I can just upgrade interior size that would be great.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Supposedly they're working on a new system ("Housing Mirage") that would allow players to select the size of their house interior if they get it to work. That would help make the small plots more desirable if it happens.

Source is the live patch note reading for 6.5 but it's JP language only - the information was being shared by a few unofficial translations. Perhaps they'll share more info (or at least confirm what was said) at the EU FanFest this weekend.

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Do you happen to have a source for this? I see nothing on Google anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Do you happen to have a source for this? I see nothing on Google anywhere.

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http://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/.../60881473.html

Get Google Translate on hand unless you can understand Japanese

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

That would awesome if they pulled it off. Got my medium right before EW, always felt it would be enough room. Have realized now that I could use the larger interior. But not going to chase a large house for it though. So if I can just upgrade interior size that would be great.

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I just got my Medium 3 days ago after trying for nearly a year.

I was in an Empyreum Small ever since the first lottery of Endwalker.

the only problem i see with large houses , there too cheap for how many there are to offer

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Originally Posted by NightHour

http://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/.../60881473.html

Get Google Translate on hand unless you can understand Japanese





I just got my Medium 3 days ago after trying for nearly a year.

I was in an Empyreum Small ever since the first lottery of Endwalker.

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I bought a small during arr kept it with the dream of one day getting medium. When I finally got the gil accepted that I may be looking for a long time. One night just wondering the goblet saw a open medium on the board. Dashed too it to find no one present at it..so snagged it up.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Not everyone is meant to get a large house.

It really is that simple.

I know yall hate that fact but it's the truth.

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So says someone who... has a large house, if I'm not mistaken?

I think it is too much of a storm in a glas of water... FFXIV is very little about housing and just having any house or apartment(s) there is no real benefit of it other than 3 gardenplots on a large house.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I think it is too much of a storm in a glas of water... FFXIV is very little about housing and just having any house or apartment(s) there is no real benefit of it other than 3 gardenplots on a large house.

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FFXIV actually has a fairly substantial housing decorating system that many players get a lot of enjoyment out of, and the size and layout of the space you have to work with is a pretty big part of that. I don't think it's a storm in a teacup to take issue with something that boils your ability to make the most of your experience down to pure luck because of inadequate resources.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

So says someone who... has a large house, if I'm not mistaken?

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So me having a large house invalidates my opinion

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I think it is too much of a storm in a glas of water... FFXIV is very little about housing and just having any house or apartment(s) there is no real benefit of it other than 3 gardenplots on a large house.

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With 729k plots across the different servers, I wouldn't call that"very little". I like having houses and decorating them and from the lottery numbers, I am far from being the only one.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So me having a large house invalidates my opinion

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Well, when you're saying "not everyone can have a large house and they need to accept it" but you already own one, then yes, somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Well, when you're saying "not everyone can have a large house and they need to accept it" but you already own one, then yes, somewhat.

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That's a ridiculous take but sure, you do you lol.

What I said is not any less true.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Not everyone is meant to get a large house.

It really is that simple.

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I hate to be that guy but: This. Pretty Much.

Trying to buy FC Large myself. Not at the end my tether yet... It's quite alright to plan and scout and wait for new round to start. Just in case the fortune aint kicking. And save save save more gil. I have more than one ticked in the game for what little edge it gives.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Well, when you're saying "not everyone can have a large house and they need to accept it" but you already own one, then yes, somewhat.

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People really need to get out of the habit of "Well, you got X, so your opinions as a person are worthless, since you have X".

That can easily be altered to fit any narrative and be just as infuriating. Should we not care about your opinion because you play a Hyur? Or because you're a black mage? Where does it end?

ALL opinions are valid and allowed to be shared. Promote discussion, not "no you're wrong cuz wrong" responses.

Either way, back on topic.. Them owning a large actually validates their opinion in this regard. Because they know the system. They've used it to get where they are. Why would that be a bad thing?

Because it comes off as “I got mine, so everything is just fine the way it is.” I know some people see housing as some sort of prestige system, even though it’s ALL RNG, and the scarcity doesn’t help that. But really, we’re all paying a sub here, we should all have the same access to content. Which is one big reason I’d like to see an instanced housing system. It’s the only real way to meet the demand, not only for a house in general on many servers, but also for the preferred size. And those in the wards with larges can still feel special while those who just want a bigger decorating space can be satisfied.

Maybe the new plan for the housing mirage will fulfill that need for a lot of people, so long as they don’t care if the inside of their house matches the outside. But it still doesn’t address the overall supply issue. A small exterior with a large interior is great, provided you can actually win a small in the first place!

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Originally Posted by Kenky

People really need to get out of the habit of "Well, you got X, so your opinions as a person are worthless, since you have X".

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Uh, because being a Hyur or a Black Mage has nothing to do with your views on the current housing situation regarding large houses, whereas owning one very much does? Do I genuinely need to spell that out? Or the issues with self-interest, bias, or the basic inherent hypocrisy in telling someone to accept a faulty status quo that they do not actually have to deal with? You can share whatever opinion you like, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth the (virtual) paper it's written on, as devastating as that might be for some to hear.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

Because it comes off as “I got mine, so everything is just fine the way it is.” I know some people see housing as some sort of prestige system, even though it’s ALL RNG, and the scarcity doesn’t help that. But really, we’re all paying a sub here, we should all have the same access to content.

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This is quite literally what it comes down to, or worse, "I feel special for having something limited in supply, so it should stay that way." It's such a ridiculously selfish and boomer-like mentality to have, and there's no valid reason to protest or justify things the way they are. As you say, we're all in the same boat here, and it's a fault of the way housing has been implemented in the first place that it's a matter of luck who benefits, and it absolutely should be fixed.

These self-serving arguments attempting to disguise themselves as tremulous logic have grown so boring.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Uh, because being a Hyur or a Black Mage has nothing to do with your views on the current housing situation regarding large houses, whereas owning one very much does? Do I genuinely need to spell that out? Or the issues with self-interest, bias, or the basic inherent hypocrisy in telling someone to accept a faulty status quo that they do not actually have to deal with? You can share whatever opinion you like, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's worth the (virtual) paper it's written on, as devastating as that might be for some to hear.



This is quite literally what it comes down to, or worse, "I feel special for having something limited in supply, so it should stay that way." It's such a ridiculously selfish and boomer-like mentality to have, and there's no valid reason to protest or justify things the way they are. As you say, we're all in the same boat here, and it's a fault of the way housing has been implemented in the first place that it's a matter of luck who benefits, and it absolutely should be fixed.

These self-serving arguments attempting to disguise themselves as tremulous logic have grown so boring.

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I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

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Uh... nowhere did we imply that. The fact is that there are thousands just like you, who have the same basic ability and funds to get the housing they want, who have worked just as long, if not longer than you, and continue to work to try to obtain one, who do not deserve to be continuously screwed over over by a terrible housing system that should be accessible to everyone and badly needs fixing because you had the pure fortune of your attempt paying off.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Uh... nowhere did we imply that. The fact is that there are thousands just like you, who have the same basic ability and funds to get the housing they want, who have worked just as long, if not longer than you, and continue to work to try to obtain one, who do not deserve to be continuously screwed over over by a terrible housing system that should be accessible to everyone and badly needs fixing because you had the pure fortune of your attempt paying off.

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And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ? I had the exact same opinion before, and I'll always have that opinion, larges are a luxury, period, not everyone is meant to have one.

It's amazing how me reaching my goal of having a large suddenly invalidates any struggle I might have had to get such large, thus my opinion just becomes invalid

what the hell lol

This'll likely be a distant problem if the stuff they have their eyes set on work out the way they want. It's only a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I like how not only you but Khrys as well just imply that I have gotten a large for free, as if I have not worked for it so somehow I would not understand the situation

a bit wild but ok

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You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

And how exactly does me having a large house change ANYTHING to my opinion on it ?

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Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

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Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

stop with this "yeah you got one so what you say is invalid"

just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

You worked for it, and others have also put in the same amount of effort I’m sure, but you have it because - in the end - RNG. Whether it was timers, placard clicking or lotto, the winner is random chance. It’s not a skill issue, as that other poster is fond of saying. Other people have put in work too, probably just as much, but they go without. The difference is I think that should change so everyone gets to have the same housing experience, while you’re fine with the status quo because you were lucky enough to get what you wanted. Whether you mean it that way or not, it comes across as dismissive and insensitive. It’s easy to say “larges are a luxury” when your efforts paid off and you’re sitting on one., rather than being one of the many who tries every time one comes up and loses.

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I lost a lot too.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Because you've managed to benefit from a flawed system and don't actually have to deal with the consequences when you aren't so fortunate, so you're already biased.
Relating to that, because you believe it's a luxury, and you possess that luxury, and want to continue to have the perceived benefits of owning said luxury, the status quo actually works in your favor - hence, self-interest.
And because you believe that because you worked until it paid off, everyone else should, and that makes it a viable way of coping with the inadequate supply rather than a patchy attempt at making the best of a bad job.

Basically what I've already said.

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Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Once again, I already thought it was a luxury BEFORE I got it, I always thought larges were a luxury, when I started the game and I saw large houses, I thought to myself "damn this is a thing not many players get and I hope I'll get one one day"

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Cool! But that only illustrates how you're still benefitting from the way things are because it falls in line with your desired, slightly warped perception of housing, which very much does affect the validity of the opinion that you're trying to put across as being basic truth.

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just stop it lol, I did the same process as everybody else, the exact same, me succeeding does not change ANYTHING.

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It does, though, and your time-honored way of dealing with arguments by doubling down on something with "because I say so" doesn't actually change anything, lol.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way? They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted. Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point. I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter.

Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury. I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.) Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

Illogical. Stormpeaks has already dealt with the system. Benefited? In what way?

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Uh, they got a large.

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They played by its rules, and eventually got what they wanted.

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No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.

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Which is a thing any player can have happen to them at some point.

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Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.

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I'd argue they have plenty to say on the subject that is just as valid. No one handed them a large house on a silver platter. Having one doesn't change the fact that larges have, and have always been, seen as a luxury. (Honestly the way they've done housing, owning anything is a luxury.

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It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.

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I may not agree with it, but as it stands, that's the way SE has implemented it.

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Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.

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Otherwise the zones would all be the same sized house rather than three sizes, the bigger ones having fewer plots available per ward.

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Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Uh, they got a large.



No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.



Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.



It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.



Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.



Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

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I love how this is literally blaming me for what I worked towards and eventually managed to get, that is actually exactly what you're doing, but I am done talking with you at this point, there is no winning with someone so close minded.

Have a good one.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Uh, they got a large.

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So? Who cares if they got a large? Did they cheat to get it? No? Then their opinions on the matter are still valid.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

No, they did what everyone else has to do, only they managed to luck out.

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My point exactly. They followed the same rules as everyone else. Opinion still valid.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Technically it can, but it doesn't mean it will, and it won't, for a large number of people, purely down to being lucky or unlucky.

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But, still the same system Stormpeaks participated in.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

It changes just how much merit there is to their saying "this is how things are, accept it" when the problem no longer affects them and actually has the added benefit of pandering to their vanity.

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Ah, now I see. You take exception to their tone.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Imagine taking this view with literally any other part of the game. "Healers suck? Roles are homogenised? Well, that's the way they implemented it, I guess!" It's only by speaking up that they address these issues, and why we seem to be getting a start on dealing with the housing supply problem so far.

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I really wish people would stop comparing housing to combat roles. Totally different animal there. Apples and oranges. At any rate, I've already figured out it's not that Stormpeaks is wrong that's the issue, it's that you don't like how they said it.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Alternatively, they could... fix the size of the wards.

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On this we agree. But for the time being, and really since housing was introduced in patch 2.1, Stormpeaks is right. Large houses are a luxury, not everyone is meant to have one. You don't have to like it, but they are correct in that assessment.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

So? Who cares if they got a large? Did they cheat to get it? No? Then their opinions on the matter are still valid.

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Not when they're purported as truth while being spoken from a place of pure bias they're not, given that the individual already owns said property they're telling everyone else to deal with not having and they benefit from its scarcity.

As I said, there's a difference between being able to speak your opinion and it actually holding weight.

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My point exactly. They followed the same rules as everyone else. Opinion still valid.

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But they lucked out, affecting their perception. Not quite.

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Ah, now I see. You take exception to their tone.

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Ah, no. It's explicitly what they say and the reasoning and motives behind it.

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I really wish people would stop comparing housing to combat roles. Totally different animal there. Apples and oranges.

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No, it isn't. We all pay a sub for access to content we can play, the majority of which everyone can should they put in the time and energy to acquire the resources and ability to do so - apart from housing, which can gate someone off indefinitely regardless of what they have or do.

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On this we agree. But for the time being, and really since housing was introduced in patch 2.1, Stormpeaks is right. Large houses are a luxury, not everyone is meant to have one. You don't have to like it, but they are correct in that assessment.

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This is a perception, founded on a broken housing system they have continuously tried to fix on the cheap as the game has expanded but to no avail, and are now looking at more extensive measures to do so that further counters this point of view.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I love how this is literally blaming me for what I worked towards and eventually managed to get, that is actually exactly what you're doing, but I am done talking with you at this point, there is no winning with someone so close minded.

Have a good one.

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Pointing out prejudices you've already admitted to isn't victim-blaming, and you leave yourself open to criticism when you try to advertise what you have to say as fact.