Ffxiv house selling seems to be allowed in pf again

So for awhile the house sellers knew that posting in pf was a bad idea. Although not directly said, the amount houses sell for is against tos and the buyers/sellers know this. It's why it's all done off game.

Last 4 days tho I've seen a certain buying/selling site being listed.

So what is it. Are house sellers/buyers allowed to use pf or not lol. Like can't say one thing then show the general populace another.

Much as they don't wanna. Might need to make an official statement. Otherwise pf gonna get flooded with just more then venue ads lol

so yall complain that there's no houses available for everyone, which obviously SE refuses to fix, some people try to sell their houses to make a buck which indirectly helps people getting houses as they can just buy it off someone else instead of fighting agaisnt 400 people in a bidding cycle, they are leaving the server, quitting the game, or whatever their excuse is so they want to get some gil from it and you still complain

there really is no winning with you guys huh

You can probably report for RMT, selling a house for gil is against TOS anyways so if they say or advertise it in client you can send it to a GM and they'll take care of it.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You can probably report for RMT, selling a house for gil is against TOS anyways so if they say or advertise it in client you can send it to a GM and they'll take care of it.

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And what part of ANY of that is "real money"?

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You can probably report for RMT, selling a house for gil is against TOS anyways so if they say or advertise it in client you can send it to a GM and they'll take care of it.

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You can probably report for RMT

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selling a house for gil

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Make it make sense maybe?

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

And what part of ANY of that is "real money"?

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That's why I said anyways. Both RMT and non-RMT reselling are covered
Even if it's just for gil, reselling plots and buying plots with the intent to resell is covered under the TOS as a violation. You can find it under the TOS section "Obstruction of play" under "Purchasing a plot of land with the intent to resell it".
Use them or don't but don't try to flip or make money off them.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

Most people I know use the black market housing discord which has over priced housing normalized and even encouraged.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

That's why I said anyways. Both RMT and non-RMT reselling are covered
Even if it's just for gil, reselling plots and buying plots with the intent to resell is covered under the TOS as a violation. You can find it under the TOS section "Obstruction of play" under "Purchasing a plot of land with the intent to resell it".
Use them or don't but don't try to flip or make money off them.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

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Note that purchasing a plot of land with the intent to resell is not the same thing as deciding to resell later on. This is therefore rather difficult to prove, as people typically hold onto houses for a while before selling them regardless of intent. It's also quite common for those seeking to flip houses to decorate them first. Both of these things make it quite difficult for Square-Enix to determine intent, which is why the vast majority of these cases will see zero consequences.

That pf is a scam site.

Everyone here knows exactly where to go to buy and sell Houses, and it is not with Gil either.

This game is very profitable, and I don't just mean for Square-Enix.

I won't mention the website here as you know which one.

Is there a way to transfer private houses? Far as I know you can only do it with FCs, which is a tad annoying.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Is there a way to transfer private houses? Far as I know you can only do it with FCs, which is a tad annoying.

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No there is not, best you can do is share it with someone via the tenant system, but it'll stay on the original owner's name, so basically pointless

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

so yall complain that there's no houses available for everyone, which obviously SE refuses to fix, some people try to sell their houses to make a buck which indirectly helps people getting houses as they can just buy it off someone else instead of fighting agaisnt 400 people in a bidding cycle, they are leaving the server, quitting the game, or whatever their excuse is so they want to get some gil from it and you still complain

there really is no winning with you guys huh

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How does this help. Unless its an FC house there is no way to pass it onto someone.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

How does this help. Unless its an FC house there is no way to pass it onto someone.

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That's what OP is talking about, they're talking about FC house sale via master transfer

Good responses. Meh even if you report it they do nothing. Like there's an outcry for housing but a select few own so many it's not funny. So someone who maybe has 50mil to bid on a large if it opens will never have the opportunity.

Mostly because it's someone selling it for 750mil to I think highest I've heard was 1.2 billion now for a large. It screams RMT to be honest.

People gonna end up spending irl money just to get that large lol. I myself want to move my fc from it's medium into a large but not willing to pay 750mil just to accomplish this.

Not to mention larges never open up for lottery. If they do its super rare and pounced on by like 200+ players.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Everyone here knows exactly where to go to buy and sell Houses, and it is not with Gil either.

This game is very profitable, and I don't just mean for Square-Enix.

I won't mention the website here as you know which one.

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That's not true.
There are people here, including myself, who has no idea of where to go, or what website you are talking about.
No need to tell me though - I am not interested in buying or selling any houses.

It does make we wonder why and how you are familiar with whatever website it is, but I am sure there is some reasonable explanation for that.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

That's not true.
There are people here, including myself, who has no idea of where to go, or what website you are talking about.
No need to tell me though - I am not interested in buying or selling any houses.

It does make we wonder why and how you are familiar with whatever website it is, but I am sure there is some reasonable explanation for that.

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You don't use party finder alot do ya lol. Come onto aether and check pf under other. The ad should still be up

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Everyone here knows exactly where to go to buy and sell Houses, and it is not with Gil either.

This game is very profitable, and I don't just mean for Square-Enix.

I won't mention the website here as you know which one.

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You realize that anyone who sells a house for real cash is just trying to scam people and RMT house selling results in an instant ban from most if not all of the actual housing servers right?

Anyone who buys a house with cash kinda deserves to be scammed tho tbh lol.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

You don't use party finder alot do ya lol. Come onto aether and check pf under other. The ad should still be up

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I don't use PF a lot, no. Possibly more importantly, I do not play on Aether and see no reason to start doing so.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Good responses. Meh even if you report it they do nothing. Like there's an outcry for housing but a select few own so many it's not funny. So someone who maybe has 50mil to bid on a large if it opens will never have the opportunity.

Mostly because it's someone selling it for 750mil to I think highest I've heard was 1.2 billion now for a large. It screams RMT to be honest.

People gonna end up spending irl money just to get that large lol. I myself want to move my fc from it's medium into a large but not willing to pay 750mil just to accomplish this.

Not to mention larges never open up for lottery. If they do its super rare and pounced on by like 200+ players.

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"people have gil so they're doing rmt"

ok bud

or you can just get better at the game and start to make money yourself

I guess since I have quite a lot of gil, that means I do RMT too ?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"people have gil so they're doing rmt"

ok bud

or you can just get better at the game and start to make money yourself

I guess since I have quite a lot of gil, that means I do RMT too ?

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You might not RMT, but the housing ward you own to aquire your funds is questionably unethical in an entirely different topic.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

You might not RMT, but the housing ward you own to aquire your funds is questionably unethical in an entirely different topic.

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Thank you for literally proving my point, it's literally from submarines

Nonetheless I respect the attempt lol.

As for "unethical", when I started this game, I had 20 people with me on the placard for a small goblet, I didnt start to check their fc, or ask them why they are getting it and telling them they shouldnt get it, they put in the work, they have the right to get it, just like everybody else, if they were multiowners, good on them, I am more than happy for them just as much as if someone that just started had gotten it.

Also I lost that house and moved on to the next one, that's life, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, you never saw me complain about it on the forums.

A good TLDR of your post is : The more work you put in, the more you get, which is fair not only in game but also IRL.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Good responses. Meh even if you report it they do nothing. Like there's an outcry for housing but a select few own so many it's not funny. So someone who maybe has 50mil to bid on a large if it opens will never have the opportunity.

Mostly because it's someone selling it for 750mil to I think highest I've heard was 1.2 billion now for a large. It screams RMT to be honest.

People gonna end up spending irl money just to get that large lol. I myself want to move my fc from it's medium into a large but not willing to pay 750mil just to accomplish this.

Not to mention larges never open up for lottery. If they do its super rare and pounced on by like 200+ players.

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Adamantoise has 267 open plots, at least 52 of which are available for bidding.

and there are 1 large and 9 medium.

I think you should use less the PF and more the housing aetherite.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Note that purchasing a plot of land with the intent to resell is not the same thing as deciding to resell later on. This is therefore rather difficult to prove, as people typically hold onto houses for a while before selling them regardless of intent. It's also quite common for those seeking to flip houses to decorate them first. Both of these things make it quite difficult for Square-Enix to determine intent, which is why the vast majority of these cases will see zero consequences.

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Someone who didn't purchase with intent to resell wouldn't be using a website to get rid of their house.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Is there a way to transfer private houses? Far as I know you can only do it with FCs, which is a tad annoying.

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Only by transferring the entire service account with the house, which is a violation of the ToS even if there is no money or gil involved (outside of some very specific exceptions involving family members and done with the assistance of SE).

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

You don't use party finder alot do ya lol. Come onto aether and check pf under other. The ad should still be up

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I use PF for hunts and to fill Dynamis first time completion for MSQ listings. I usually ignore the rest.

I suspect the only players who are going to know the website you're referring to are those who are interested in buying/selling or who see themselves as the game's morality police.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus

Adamantoise has 267 open plots, at least 52 of which are available for bidding.

and there are 1 large and 9 medium.

I think you should use less the PF and more the housing aetherite.

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That large is guaranteed to be pounced on lol. Like you playing if off like this is just laughable. It's still a real issue

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"people have gil so they're doing rmt"

ok bud

or you can just get better at the game and start to make money yourself

I guess since I have quite a lot of gil, that means I do RMT too ?

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This screams "let me draw a veil over the fact people rmt". Like it's well known lots do..even backers for venues do it lol.

Just cause you make a fortune selling houses don't mean others do ya know. For someone like me with 4 mil. Would take me quite a bit of work to get 850mil to get a large for my own fc guaranteed.

So where that leave me. Tempt fate with rmt and have the amount I need quicker for a possibility that I will get the house guaranteed in 30 days

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

This screams "let me draw a veil over the fact people rmt". Like it's well known lots do..even backers for venues do it lol.

Just cause you make a fortune selling houses don't mean others do ya know. For someone like me with 4 mil. Would take me quite a bit of work to get 850mil to get a large for my own fc guaranteed.

So where that leave me. Tempt fate with rmt and have the amount I need quicker for a possibility that I will get the house guaranteed in 30 days

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I like how you twisted what my post was saying to telling me I am selling houses

Bit weird but okay lol, I never said that at all, but you do you

Also yes, it takes a long time to get gil, its almost like the more time you invest in the game, the more you get, crazy.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

That large is guaranteed to be pounced on lol. Like you playing if off like this is just laughable. It's still a real issue

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That large is guaranteed to be won by someone. This is the only statement we can do.
"who" is yet to be decided: this is why the system is impartial.
Just ask trusted/reliable FC members to bid and see what happens. In the end you just need to win once, if it's not this time, there is another in 9 days.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

This screams "let me draw a veil over the fact people rmt". Like it's well known lots do..even backers for venues do it lol.

Just cause you make a fortune selling houses don't mean others do ya know. For someone like me with 4 mil. Would take me quite a bit of work to get 850mil to get a large for my own fc guaranteed.

So where that leave me. Tempt fate with rmt and have the amount I need quicker for a possibility that I will get the house guaranteed in 30 days

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I have friends that have over 2B gil just by selling furniture. I have friends that have made 500m in one night through death rolling. I personally market board flip on Aether for 50-100m every week by using publicly available sources that can be found through a simple Google search or a YouTube search.

Do more to earn gil (i.e. do some research and put in a little bit of effort) instead of assuming that people who can afford expensive things just resort to using a credit card or sell houses. It really isn't that hard to make gil without even needing a house.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

You might not RMT, but the housing ward you own to aquire your funds is questionably unethical in an entirely different topic.

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Ethics mean nothing in a video game/MMO where people are encouraged to be someone else and not themselves. The fact of the matter is, a lot of people operate under personas and do things they may not do in real life because they have the perk of anonymity here and lack of real world consequences. Hell, am I the only one who remembers back when placard camping was a thing and people would come in and snipe plots off people with relocating? Whether or not people want to admit it is up to them but I'm sure there are those who hated getting sniped and sniped other people after they got their plot finally for revenge or for the same advantage others had. At the end of the day, we're paying a fee to have fun and do whatever we please within the bounds of the ToS.
The only thing that matters is whether or not it's violating a rule and what action Square takes as a response to it.
Since Square hasn't done anything about the people who own entire wards (even though they have been reported), think that speaks on where they stand in regards to it.

The person or people posting the pf with the website of houses they are selling, don’t actually own any houses.