Rival Wings is Gone

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10-08-2023, 07:02 PM
Nikoto

Rival Wings is Gone

And I'm fucking depressed. PvP isn't fun without it.

Also add Duo Queue to CC. No, I still don't care about upsetti spaghetti solo babies.
10-08-2023, 08:10 PM
IckeDerTyp

Rest in peace, sweet prince. Many really adored ya~
10-08-2023, 10:24 PM
tsuchii

Proves to say nobody plays this garbage feature (PVP in general) for fun. I got my RW mounts and never set foot in it again.
10-08-2023, 10:41 PM
Nikoto

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Proves to say nobody plays this garbage feature (PVP in general) for fun. I got my RW mounts and never set foot in it again.

No, I was playing Rival Wings because it WAS fun.
10-08-2023, 10:51 PM
Mostly_Raxus

i just dont get whey we cant just have 2 separate queues for CC a solo and a group queue.
then we keep the solo for the people who want it, it stays its own pool, and the group queue is for anyone solo or grouped that willingly decides to engage in that variant even if the odds may be skewed in favor or the more organized party.

more choices is always the answer, dont cater to one or the other, cater to both, its a game, paid for by fans seeking entertainment, entertain them.
10-08-2023, 11:44 PM
Valence

Because it would dilute queues and group queue would probably die, or we'd switch to "full premades aren't fair vs duo premades". And tbh this would be a lot more of a problem than duo vs solo.
10-09-2023, 03:01 AM
Nikoto

I don't see why we CARE about solo players in the MMO (MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE)
10-09-2023, 05:15 AM
Naizakane

Take Shatter out of the Frontline roulette and put Rival Wings in there.
10-09-2023, 05:21 AM
Eastwall

Rival wing needs a roulette. Idk why isn't that a thing. Even if it just gives out xp like a trial roulette, it would mitigate the problem a little bit.
10-09-2023, 05:22 AM
Eastwall

I mean l do enjoy interacting with celerum on the ground and do nothing else the entire game for the irregular tombstone. Very relaxing experience. And people would vote for me because they get to play with the big robot, lol
10-09-2023, 06:17 AM
Voidedge_Ragna

Players begged for it to be a roulette or receive a daily benefit, so we would at least get a few runs after reset. But it is what it is, look forward to it when the next mog tomes are out. Until then, enjoy your daily pvp that is either hit rocks or players.
10-09-2023, 08:19 AM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsuchii

Proves to say nobody plays this garbage feature (PVP in general) for fun. I got my RW mounts and never set foot in it again.

Nobody does anything in this game without adequate rewards tied to participation, thank you very much. Depending on the time of day + datacenter, Frontlines, Crystalline Conflict Casual AND Ranked all pop quite frequently.

Frontlines has Daily Challenge, Crystalline Conflict queues are fast by virtue of only needing 10 players. Rival Wings sits in the middle with a 48-man requirement but no Daily Challenge like Frontlines. It also takes a tad more awareness to play Rival Wings compared to Snore Lines.

So no, it proves nothing. All you are proving is your excellence in surface-level takes that lack critical insight.
10-15-2023, 11:45 PM
Towa-Musa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Nobody does anything in this game without adequate rewards tied to participation, thank you very much. Depending on the time of day + datacenter, Frontlines, Crystalline Conflict Casual AND Ranked all pop quite frequently.

Frontlines has Daily Challenge, Crystalline Conflict queues are fast by virtue of only needing 10 players. Rival Wings sits in the middle with a 48-man requirement but no Daily Challenge like Frontlines. It also takes a tad more awareness to play Rival Wings compared to Snore Lines.

So no, it proves nothing. All you are proving is your excellence in surface-level takes that lack critical insight.

mmmmm i dunno chief, id play pvp a bit more if the fun modes were actually active.... hell id like it if they gave us a ctf mode., rewards are petty secondary to me when it comes to pvp since you get them just by playing the modes lol
10-15-2023, 11:46 PM
Towa-Musa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikoto

And I'm fucking depressed. PvP isn't fun without it.

Also add Duo Queue to CC. No, I still don't care about upsetti spaghetti solo babies.

rival wings is not actually gone is it?
10-16-2023, 04:49 AM
Astralrisk

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

Rival wing needs a roulette. Idk why isn't that a thing. Even if it just gives out xp like a trial roulette, it would mitigate the problem a little bit.

I think whenever we get a new Rival Wing's map they'll most likely make a roulette for it potentially. I know they did say they would be adding more to it at the last fanfest so surely they'll just do that.
10-16-2023, 05:23 AM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

mmmmm i dunno chief, id play pvp a bit more if the fun modes were actually active.... hell id like it if they gave us a ctf mode., rewards are petty secondary to me when it comes to pvp since you get them just by playing the modes lol

Ok let me put this in a simple-to-understand way Towa. I know your anecdotal experience with fun matters, but let's get to the bottom of this.

If Expert Roulette/Lv90 Roulette didn't exist and the dungeons themselves did not reward any tomestones, how many people would do them beyond first completion? Apply same logic to MSQ Roulette and its instances, Alliance Raid Roulette, Normal Raid Roulette, etc.

At the end of the day, fun and immersion are not enough to "keep" players playing beyond a first time completion, especially when completion depends on other players joining your runs.
10-16-2023, 03:22 PM
Astralrisk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikoto

Also add Duo Queue to CC. No, I still don't care about upsetti spaghetti solo babies.

facts, so true bestie.
10-19-2023, 12:54 AM
Towa-Musa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Ok let me put this in a simple-to-understand way Towa. I know your anecdotal experience with fun matters, but let's get to the bottom of this.

If Expert Roulette/Lv90 Roulette didn't exist and the dungeons themselves did not reward any tomestones, how many people would do them beyond first completion? Apply same logic to MSQ Roulette and its instances, Alliance Raid Roulette, Normal Raid Roulette, etc.

At the end of the day, fun and immersion are not enough to "keep" players playing beyond a first time completion, especially when completion depends on other players joining your runs.

people would just rp on mateus or balmung.... or just stop playing the game, if the game is not fun theres nothing keeping anybody there. giving people rewards for dailys is like slapping fomo on homework. its there, its not fun... but you get something outta it

at the end of the day, not the players fault that the games not fun and a grind slog... its the devs.
10-25-2023, 10:13 PM
Reimmi

Wait what, did i miss something? is RR being removed next expansion?
10-25-2023, 10:50 PM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reimmi

Wait what, did i miss something? is RR being removed next expansion?

No, OP just didn't clarify that by "gone" they meant it is back to the old struggle of not having Moogle Tomestones to incentivise people queueing resulting in far less matches formed.
10-26-2023, 08:51 AM
vanillavanitas

The PVP Revival Discord runs Saturday "queue for Rival Wings" events on Chaos and advertizes them in shout in different areas and in party finder. I haven't tried them out before, as I've only done Rival Wings during the Mogtomes events. Rival Wings doesn't seem to pop outside of this... It would do great if we had a roulette with it, even a stand-alone one! I'd love it. It was actually really fun to do during Mogtomes, but Saturday is when some of my friends are free so I can't always do a Saturday event. It doesn't seem to be active outside of this. :^(