Please address players griefing/AFK'ing in Crystalline Conflict for "fast" Series EXP

For context, the Series EXP gained in Crystalline Conflict for winning versus losing is quite similar: 900 EXP for winning and 700 EXP for losing. Only a difference of 200.

This has led to players purposefully griefing and/or refusing to participate in the match in order to "guarantee" a loss for "quicker" EXP gain. It is incredibly frustrating when you just want to play the game.

A few solutions come to mind:

1. Without nerfing the EXP gain from a loss, they could slightly increase the EXP for winning to increase the difference in EXP (something like 1050 Series EXP to make it a 50% difference, therefore every 2 wins is equivalent to 3 losses).
   
2. I assume something is done for players who are ONLY AFK'ing, but that cheat detection needs to be extended somehow. This is obviously the much harder solution, as it would require some system that would be able to differentiate a griefing player from one who does not know what they are doing.

Any and all discussion is welcomed and encouraged, I don't really post here but I love PvP and would love to see it being played properly.

The unfortunate reality is that, if the total series exp required to progress remains the same, they'd have to decrease the exp gained on loss to combat the resident sleepers of CC matchmaking. The people dedicated to grinding through quick losses would still just go for quick losses because the number of losses required to reach rank 30 wouldn't have changed. (They could additionally always increase the exp required to reach 30, but I doubt many people want that, right...?)

I'd like if they provided a faster method of reporting griefers and afk'ers (that wasn't easily abusable). Currently you could get through an entire match and a half in the time it takes to just report a single person, and most people know that, and know that most teammates just won't bother.

This is most likely happening because it is the last week before the current series rewards are gone and the FOMO is kickin real hard. Gotta spam PVP as much as possible to get from rank 2 to 25 for the prize. Nothing like a hard upcoming deadline to push people to finish something as hard and as fast as possible.

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

The unfortunate reality is that, if the total series exp required to progress remains the same, they'd have to decrease the exp gained on loss to combat the resident sleepers of CC matchmaking. The people dedicated to grinding through quick losses would still just go for quick losses because the number of losses required to reach rank 30 wouldn't have changed. (They could additionally always increase the exp required to reach 30, but I doubt many people want that, right...?)

I'd like if they provided a faster method of reporting griefers and afk'ers (that wasn't easily abusable). Currently you could get through an entire match and a half in the time it takes to just report a single person, and most people know that, and know that most teammates just won't bother.

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Yep. Because the main underlying issue is the time difference. The 700xp is like 1.5-2min if you throw hard enough while a win is going to take 5-8min most times. To making winning worth it, it would need to be around 3x as much series xp minimum. Imo, I would just have it check to see a few things:
- Is the match under 3min in duration
- if someone lost a match with under 100k damage output and 100k healing output or something similar
- find a % gap that's unacceptable compared to teammates and have a flag for that person tied to the account. If you get 3 flags in one day, you get locked out of queue for 24 hours for that game mode. If you trigger a lockout 3 times in a week, you get locked out for a month. If you trigger x amount of flags total in a season, you get locked out of that game mode entirely for that season and the next season.

I don't grief or troll personally but I have been part of the FOMO train for series 3 and it took me about 3 days to jump from 9-26 for the Monarchy set . I do see the issue though at hand with the aforementioned topic though because there some players on a repeat queue where they play poorly to the point that sometimes its just AA and nothing else in order to get that exp . It is quite annoying in all honesty and I wish we could have clientside reporting instead of having to look up players on the Lodestone to report them .

If the PvP had active GMs we would have a lot less issues.

I would give away some 20+ (or was it 30?) series levels if i could. I am at crystal cap and dont know what to do with them.

not worth my time to play too much drama.

That's a little too real Araxes, I'm going to need you to settle down just a tad. lol

I think if they made PVP fun or enjoyable, that would probably fix people afking for rewards. People afk roulettes. Make the content fun and rewarding and it won't be a problem. Queuing up for Frontlines 9 out of 10 times is a miserable experience. I get frustrated when I see people afking, but I don't blame them one bit.

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Originally Posted by LonaCassio

I think if they made PVP fun or enjoyable, that would probably fix people afking for rewards. People afk roulettes. Make the content fun and rewarding and it won't be a problem. Queuing up for Frontlines 9 out of 10 times is a miserable experience. I get frustrated when I see people afking, but I don't blame them one bit.

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While I can completely understand that many people would want to see improvement is CC/FL/RW , using this as an excuse to AFK is a lame excuse.

I would instead fully support VoidsendStatus, however if damage and healing checks were introduced the system might also have to check the length of time that the person was in the match. Enforce automated lockouts , I also like those penalties.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want improvements- I do- if this system was in place if I was Square I would also be watching just how lockouts trended since that should tell me if there were some issues that required some deeper analysis.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I would give away some 20+ (or was it 30?) series levels if i could. I am at crystal cap and dont know what to do with them.

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Honestly this, i have nothing to spend these on like wtf

You perfectly know that they'll never implement such checks in the game for the simple reason it goes completely against all of their philosophy regarding skill levels, and opens a huge can of worms on where to set the bar on top of it. That's a silly dream to have, it's like that idea of rewarding people on post game damage/healing/crystal time tallies that ultimately tell very little.

I still see AFK'ers in Frontlines too.
They'll actively go hide somewhere and avoid all contact and engagement the entire match.
Zero's across the board for their score when the match is over.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I would give away some 20+ (or was it 30?) series levels if i could. I am at crystal cap and dont know what to do with them.

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Same. More stuff to buy with crystals would be nice.
Maybe the older pvp malmstones series rewards.
I've been buying wolf collars.... because.
Maybe I'll decide to get something with them when I have room to store the gear somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

That's a little too real Araxes, I'm going to need you to settle down just a tad. lol

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Easy to fix. Winning should be closer to 1400xp to offset the fact that two quick losses are better than 1 drawn-out win. That way, nothing is gained from forcing losses.

But the elephant in that room is how terrible series XP is in general to deal with. It is such a slog, and it's why people force losses. I still try to win, but I'd much rather be time efficient. I'm an adult with a life. If I see an easier way for something as trivial as this, I consider it. All I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

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Having one PvP GM per DC would already go far in resolving all the issues ranging from AFKing to variety of Griefing.

Losing should only give half as much series xp. The current difference is to small to incentivize winning.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Easy to fix. Winning should be closer to 1400xp to offset the fact that two quick losses are better than 1 drawn-out win. That way, nothing is gained from forcing losses.

But the elephant in that room is how terrible series XP is in general to deal with. It is such a slog, and it's why people force losses. I still try to win, but I'd much rather be time efficient. I'm an adult with a life. If I see an easier way for something as trivial as this, I consider it. All I'm saying.

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The elephant in the room is that this is yet another lame excuse, many of us 'have a life" and have responsibilities that limit the amount of time that can be dedicated to a personal hobby like FFXIV.


As others have pointed out, if you wanted to hit level 25, you could commit to around 15 minutes a day and you'd be done in a few weeks- don't quote me on the exact figure, but that's literally one FL a day. The calculation has been done for CC as well, the point be that it hardly qualifies as a slog, provided that you have an interest in any of the PVP modes. So, forcing a loss which ends up ruining the experience for other people, in what may be their only match of the day- due to their limited time- is not only unnecessary but selfish.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Having one PvP GM per DC would already go far in resolving all the issues ranging from AFKing to variety of Griefing.

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So how do you see that working? It's a honest question. Do you expect a new reporting option, or do you expect that GM to respond live? Because given the number of matches that occur per DC, I expect that neither would occur. If they add a PvP per DC, I agree it would speed responses up a bit, and I would definitely welcome that, but given all of the matches that occur, I wouldn't expect a radical improvement. They would follow the same process to review reports.

Maybe if people played for the enjoyment of pvp and got good for the sake of getting good, you wouldn't care either way.

I'm not saying we shouldnt have good systems.

I'm just saying, you know, get good.