Not good at game, have hand/wrist problem.
Fuzzy Navel. Healer, combines aspects of WHM and SCH.
Quest location: New Gridania (13,9)
Starting quest: Level 1. Fuzzy J-cats is in distress and needs your help. She loved all aspects of healing, but failed AST, SCH, SGE and WHM. She was called “incompetent” by all her professors, classmates mocked her, so she has to think outside the box.
She needs to test her theories on you, a potential student. If you agree to be a guinea pig, she gives you a first aid kit (Shield) and scalpel (Weapon).
Cut: Level 1, Spell, instant, recast: 1.5s, delivers an attack with a potency of 300. MP Cost: 400
Snitches get Stitches: Level 1 Ability, instant, recast 15s, refills MP Bar to full, and increases damage to self and others by 10%. MP Cost: 400. Duration: 30s.
Incision: Level 4, Spell, instant, recast 1.5s, delivers an attack with potency of 200, combo action: Cut, Combo potency: 500. MP Cost: 400
Bone Drill: Level 6, Spell, delivers an attack with potency of 170, combo action: Incision. Combo potency: 700. MP Cost: 400
Bone Saw: Level 10, Spell, instant, recast: 1.5s, delivers an attack with a potency of 200 to the first enemy, and 180 to the rest of enemies. MP Cost: 400
Electric Saw: Level 15 Spell, instant, recast 1.5s, delivers an attack with a potency of 180 to the first enemy and 150 to the rest of enemies. Combo action: Bone Saw, Combo potency of 300 to the first enemy and 250 to the rest of enemies. MP Cost: 400
Lasik: Level 15, Spell, instant, recast 1s. Improves eyesight and allows for ranged attack. Deals unaspected damage over time. Potency: 75, Duration: 30s. MP Cost: 200
Summon Drunken Monkey: Lv. 5, Spell, cast 1s, recast 2s. Summons a monkey who anesthetizes and heals with potency of 900 to self and all team members. MP Cost: 400
Available skins: og Monkey, Carbuncle, Loporrit, Moogle, Chocobo, Palico, Poogie
Petbar: like the Eos fairy, but only has place and return buttons, does not aggro enemies when placed.
Defibrillator: Lv. 12, Spell, instant cast, recast 2s. Resurrects target to full health. MP Cost: 1000
Bandage: Lv 8: Ability: Instant, recast 30s. Erects a magicked barrier around self and all party members near you at an 80-yalm radius, that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 500 potency. Duration: 15s. MP Cost: 500
Sterile Field. Lv 15. Ability. Instant, recast 30s. Upgrades Bandage to Sterile Field. Erects a magicked barrier around self and all party members near you at an 80-yalm radius, that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 1000 potency. Duration: 15 seconds. MP Cost; 500.
Brace: Lv 20. Ability. Instant, recast 300s. Completes the Active Time Maneuver. MP Cost: 200.
Leveling up will increase both damage and healing potencies.
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09-02-2023, 01:35 AMFuzzyJCatsNew Healer Job Request
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09-02-2023, 01:56 AMLilimoLimomo
This is only tangentially related to your post, but as a fellow hand/wrist problem person, if there are problems you're having with your class, I'd love to help! I've found some really interesting ways to use the game's settings, UI options, and macros to make my game experience better.
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09-02-2023, 02:00 AMFuzzyJCats
So you only need 11 buttons (helpful for controller), and 2 for pet place and return (pet is permanently summoned). 3 combo single target attack, and 2 combo AOE attack, with 1 ranged DoT attack. Rez and 1 shield (changes depending on level guildhest/dng etc). One button for instant ATMs to prevent finger/wrist pain.
The key here is you never need to look at your hotbars and can concentrate on the gameplay mechanics and party members. -
09-02-2023, 02:06 AMFuzzyJCatsThank you Lilimo! I've set up macros for my fave healer job AST for card buffs, and I do hand stretches. It's also more frustration that I can't juggle all the combinations, maintaining dmg buffs and so forth that's also a problem. Coming from purely single player games and FF14 being my first MMO, I'm simply not good at the game lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo
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09-02-2023, 04:01 AMLilimoLimomoThe class I'm least familiar with is Astrologian, so I'm not sure what you mean by "juggle combinations". Is the issue that it's challenging to use the up-and-down D-pad to frequently sift through the party list so you give the right buffs to the right person?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyJCats
I'm gathering from your other posts that you want to reduce button bloat, and if that's so I can help! I use a few different techniques to handle that, often by combining multiple buttons into a single button, like I imagine you might already be using for cards:
/micon "Draw"
...or...
/macroerror off
/ac "Redraw"
/ac "Redraw"
/ac "Redraw"
/ac "Redraw"
/ac "Redraw"
/ac "Draw"
//echo Note: does Redraw when possible, otherwise does Draw. (You could theoretically also put Undraw in here as well, though I don't understand whether there's an actual use case for it)
/micon "Celestial Opposition"
...and for healers I like to make macros for my damage spells so that even when I'm targeting an ally (which is almost always) they'll target an enemy, which means less target fiddling:
/macroerror off
/ac "Helios"
/ac "Helios"
/ac "Helios"
/ac "Helios"
/ac "Helios"
/ac "Helios"
/ac "Celestial Opposition"
//echo Note: Casts Helios if GCD is available, otherwise casts Celestial Opposition (you can add other oGCD heals to the list to they'll be cast if Celestial Opposition is on cooldown)
...and of course, a quick-rez macro:
/micon "Celestial Opposition"
/macroerror off
/ac "Malefic" <tt>
/ac "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic" <tt>
/ac "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic" <tt>
/ac "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic" <tt>
/ac "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic" <tt>
/ac "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic" <tt>
/ac "Malefic"
//echo Note: <tt> makes the spell target the "target of your target". Your DPS and tanks will almost always be targeting enemies, so if you're targeting the DPS, your Malefic will target the enemy they're attacking. You can also use Focus <f> instead if you prefer, but you have to set the boss as your focus at the beginning of each fight.
/micon "Ascend"
Also, a tip for Active Time Maneuvers: they seem to accept just about any button as input, so a gentle "keysmash" of your entire controller (I like to use both index fingers and middle fingers to gently tap all 4 face buttons) can make these much less of a hassle. It sure would be nice if they implemented a "hold instead of mash" option, though.
/macroerror off
/ac "Rescue"
/ac "Rescue"
/ac "Rescue"
/ac "Rescue"
/ac "Rescue"
/ac "Swiftcast"
/ac "Ascend"
/ac "Ascend"
/ac "Ascend"
// echo Note: if Swiftcast is available, first press does Swiftcast, second does instant Ascend. Otherwise, just does Ascend. This macro will also cast Rescue if you are targeting someone alive instead of someone dead (that makes sense to my brain, because they're both ways to save someone), though if you don't like that you can replace all the "Rescue" with "Swiftcast"
I've also got some more tricks that are useful to reduce button bloat if you have any situations where you only press buttons in a certain sequence (works great for DPS's 1-2-3 combos), but IIRC healers don't tend to have much in that regard. But if there's something like that, let me know! -
09-02-2023, 04:12 AMIDontPetLalas
Just wanted to say that combat macros like your healing and damage one are generally not recommended, FFXIV doesn't handle them very well it will typically introduce small delays in skill execution, which over time can add up, that you wouldn't have it you executed them manually (or even worse it won't fire if there is a lag spike).
if someone has a specific issue in targeting there are ways to change your UI with a macro so that cards are easily applied in the party list (probably what Fuzzy is referring to, if so that really helps), and there are also ways to easily set up/define your focus target. -
09-02-2023, 04:50 AMLilimoLimomoI've heard this kind of thing before, but my assumption has always been that the people who are saying that don't know how to make a macro that simulates the "buffering" that pressing normal buttons has. But perhaps I'm mistaken; I just never see others writing macros that contain the "buffering" that mine do. Is there by chance a source for this claim? I'm guessing if this is the case that someone did some tests, and hopefully they recorded their methodology as part of that? I'd love to review something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas
And if it doesn't exist, no pressure. I should actually probably just do my own tests anyway. I have a feeling I know what I'll find, but maybe I'll get proof that I'm wrong! :)
All of that said, all macro use is a compromise. You're losing something (for example, a certain amount of buffering) in order to get something else (like accessibility). And whether the juice is worth the squeeze is going to be relative to each player's needs. If you're a player like me who can only use certain button combinations without discomfort, there's no way to reasonably play most classes without macros. And that's a time when we should be encouraging macro use, because not everyone has the same needs, not everyone has the same ability. At some point for some players, being able to play comfortably is going to be worth the theoretical loss of some DPS. Especially if they wouldn't have been doing that theoretical DPS anyway because without the macros they would perform worse.
All of that said, I do agree that if there are downsides to macros, it's important to note those downsides so that players who are interested in them can make an informed decision on whether such macros are worth it to them.
If I remember, I'll do some tests tonight and report back the results! -
09-02-2023, 05:57 AMIDontPetLalas
If you want some fairly interesting background, since this is a topic that has been discussed in some depth you may want to look at https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...lly-work/page4
By no means saying that no one can use them, since anyone can have their own specific limitations, just wanted to point out some of the possible issues. -
09-02-2023, 08:45 AMSebazyUsing macros has a very significant impact on your overall cast throughput, it's been a long time since I mathed it myself, but from memory it was somewhere in the region of 10-20% all told. It's important to stress that this only fully applies if you're keeping your GCD rolling through. If your mobility impairment is consistently preventing you from rolling your GCD then that changes things. At that point the only real issue is that you'll generally be paying a small time penalty any time you try to reactively bop someone with a heal or other ability through macros due to inevitable downtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo
In BCOB I prog raided as SCH using macros to force my fairy to embrace the MT whilst I did just about anything else. As part of my preparations for SCOB, I experimented with other ways to force embraces including using a free spinning mouse wheel, G25 pedals and a stupidly expensive Corsair keyboard that had a ton of macro keys.
To my horror, I found that using in game macros was quite literally costing me somewhere in the reason of 2-3 full GCDs per minute from memory. Switching to pedals and running the macros on the keyboard instead of in game was a mighty throughput improvement.
As such, my recommendation is to go find a target dummy and experiment with what you have at your disposal. If you can find someone to log your throughput, even better. -
09-02-2023, 09:23 AMChonkGoblinSuprem
Microsoft has an adaptive controller you could try. When I looked last it was like 200 bucks but it has come down a lot.
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09-02-2023, 11:17 AMvetch
Disabled person to other disabled person: "Hey I've developed a few macros that can make it easier to play the game without damaging your hands, the only hands you'll ever have, that you need to preserve as long as you can because it's incredibly difficult to interact with the world when you don't have them."
Raiders: "Be careful, you'll lose 10% of your DPS uptime (on a healer job)!"
It's a question of priorities. Disabled people don't always have hundreds of extra bucks to drop on peripherals to fix something that should have been fixed by the billion-dollar corporation before the game shipped.
If you feel so strongly about disabled people having access to that missing 10%, get on CBU3's case every time they use 'accessibility' as shorthand for 'we made this shit so incredibly easy you guys' instead of respecting its actual meaning: functional accommodations for disabled people. Like, just as an example, a working macro system would be a great disability accommodation. -
09-02-2023, 12:09 PMIDontPetLalasI don't know if you have some specific dislike for raiders, but it seems you either aren't aware of or skipped over the affect on other abilities i.e healing that were mentioned..Quote:
Originally Posted by vetch
There are ways to accommodate various disabilities without the use of macros, I don't know perhaps SE may improve the current system one day by streamlining it - similar to the PVP rework. Who knows - better to ask them in their suggestion forum. -
09-02-2023, 03:12 PMLilimoLimomoAlright, I did some tests tonight! Even got some footage of them that I can upload to a YouTube channel as soon as I figure out how to make one for it. Some of what I said was accurate, but I also learned some things I didn't know!Quote:
Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo
First, so you understand my methodology, I tested using two macros on my level 90 BLM with 1196 Spell Speed (2.36 recast):
/macroicon "Blizzard"
and
/macroerror off
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/ac "Blizzard"
/macroicon "Scathe"
Now, for the results:
/macroerror off
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
/ac "Scathe"
First, there is one transparent benefit of not using macros: increased action queue time.
So for example, if I want to cast two consecutive Scathe attacks, my second Scathe will be queued up if I press the standard Scathe button when my GCD cooldown is just over 3/4 complete; when the GCD cooldown completes at 4/4, the second Scathe will immediately be cast. However, if I press my Scathe macro at 3/4 GCD cooldown, the action will not be queued. For the Scathe macro, the earliest I could queue it was at roughly 7/8 of the GCD cooldown. So in this case, the non-macro button had roughly twice as much of a queue window.
I also discovered that the queue window differed — for both macros and non-macros — depending on what kind of action was previously cast. Specifically, the queue window becomes shorter whenever the preceding action has a cast bar; this is presumably because you aren't just waiting for the GCD to return, but you are waiting for the previous action to be cast. I'm guessing this is just animation lock, although there's a part of me that wonders if it may be something else because this effect also differed depending on whether or not a macro was used.
So for example, if I want to cast two consecutive Blizzard attacks, my second Blizzard will be queued up if I press the standard Blizzard button when my cast bar has roughly 0.3 seconds remaining; then when the cast finishes, the second Blizzard will start charging. However, if I press my Blizzard macro at 0.3 cooldown, the action will not be queued. For the Blizzard macro, the earliest I could queue it was around 0.1 seconds of the cast remaining.
So to summarize this section, I'd recommend trying macros as they still allow actions to be queued, but if the amount of queue window you're getting from them is below what you need to feel comfortable and/or effective, know that using a non-macro will result in at least double the queue window!
Next, I did a test to determine whether macros actually resulted in lost GCD's. Earlier in the day I had seen the video that the Balance Discord links to in order to demonstrate that your GCD can slip when using macros: https://youtu.be/VgpUCgExvbA
When I initially watched that video, I was skeptical. I noticed how the player seemed to be mashing the macros, which you should never do, as pressing the macro again resets rather than letting it finished. So that was one red flag. And while the video didn't show the macro being used — which is vital to the methodology of the experiment — my best guess was that the macro being used probably looked like this:
/macroicon "Glare"
...because if it only had a single line of Glare, that would explain why the player felt the need to mash the button. If that was true, it would mean the macro wasn't doing much, if any, queuing, which might explain why the GCD was slipping.
/macroerror off
/ac "Glare"
However, even with those suspicions, I'll be honest: after my unexpected discovery that macros had shorter queue windows than non-macros, I was worried that my own results might mirror those in the video. So I was a bit surprised when I found out that no, my macros were not resulting in any GCD loss!
My methodology was as follows: I went to the level 90 Stone Sky Sea and started The Final Day (normal). Then I cast Blizzard repeatedly until 1 minute had passed on the timer. Afterwards, I saved a video of the attempts and manually counted the number of Blizzard spells that hit the target before the timer had been reduced from 3:00 to 2:00.
The only difference between my two tests was:- For the non-macro Blizzard test, I took full advantage of the larger queue window in an effort to ensure no slippage between casts. I aimed to press the button again at roughly 0.25 seconds remaining of each cast.
- For the macro Blizzard test, I needed to press the button later because of the smaller queue window, so I pressed it at the time I am used to pressing the button when playing a caster: a split-second before the cast bar fills (kind of like a rhythm game).
To my surprise, both tests resulted in 25 casts.
However, what was even more surprising was that the non-macro test's final Blizzard hit with 0 seconds to spare, while the macro test's final Blizzard hit with 1 second to spare. Somehow, the slippage actually occurred on the non-macro side. I have absolutely no explanation for this, because in theory, the best case scenario seems like it should have been equal. Perhaps this suggests that some other mechanic is happening that none of us are aware of?
If I hadn't done it myself, I'd be very skeptical of what I was reading here. Which is another reason why I'll be uploading my videos as soon as I'm able to, so that anyone who's interested can check my work. If there were flaws in the test, I hope someone can point them out! And if there aren't, then I hope to find a way to spread this knowledge to the rest of the community. But before any of that can happen, we'll need some peer review! :)
Anyway, that's my update for today. If this topic interests you, I hope you'll take a look at my videos when I find a way to upload them to verify what I've written here! -
09-03-2023, 12:16 AMFuzzyJCatsYes yes, I have the MSFT elite controller v2 - best ergonomic controller in the world, but you MUST buy it at Best Buy for the 2-year warranty, it tends to break less than 1 yr and I'm pretty gentle with controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem
I think the above issues with macros PROVE that we need something very simple like the healer job I'm recommending - I'm just not good at the game and YoshiP should consider those with visual, physical disabilities with slow reflexes (not all of us are teenaged boys who have catlike reflexes) by implementing something that doesn't have button bloat, easy to remember combos, no oGCDs (the GCDs potency will have to be higher to compensate). -
09-03-2023, 12:23 AMFuzzyJCats
Lilimo, interesting! It makes sense then to make all GCDs macros like the above, but I think the problem may be when you try to combo 2 actions in 1 macro? Again, all of this can be done away with if SqEnix implements my proposal ofc (I intentionally made it OP). Joking aside, I hope this post will open the developer's eyes to challenges that people with disabilities, like me, have.
That being said, the community is really kind, I only need to say I have slow reflexes as I die the 100th time in a Nier raid, and they STILL rez me, even though their MP/dps/healing spells can otherwise be used more effectively. Even so, it feels awful to feel like you're holding back progress. -
09-03-2023, 12:27 AMFuzzyJCatsI would LOVE to watch your video, let me know when you post it on YT!Quote:
Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo
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09-03-2023, 12:33 AMFuzzyJCatsYes I do use the macro/icons 1 through 8 so I just press then number to target. It works really well!Quote:
Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas
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09-03-2023, 06:33 AMRenathrasHm, I'm kind of curious. A lot of people play WHM because it has a low APM and pretty gradual pace and easy to understand kit. You said you like AST a lot, I take it you dislike WHM or have tried it and found that it has some complications that don't suit your needs?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyJCats
If you haven't, I'd suggest trying it out since the low APM, low need to target people (you can use Medica 2 and Afflatus Rapture to heal people since WHM's heals are strong and direct), and pretty flexible kit might suit you if you've never given it a shot. WHM is very GCD based. Where the others have single and AOE oGCDs, WHM has Solace and Rapture which are GCDs that work the same way (since the "refund" their damage via Misery). It has Tetra and Benison if you need them, but you can also just brute force your healing with a lot of GCDs and the few oGCDs you use a lot like Assize just do "free" healing.
Not saying to swap or anything, everyone likes what they like, but one thing I do like about WHM is it has a more easy-going pace. I think the only Jobs with lower APM are like BLM (sorta tied with it), SGE, and WAR. Here's a thread with the OP showing average "casts per minute" (same thing as "actions per minute"). The way to think about it is "higher number means more busy/more need to press buttons at a fast-ish pace:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...minute_by_job/
Job CPM Min Max
NIN 47.9 47.1(8th) 49.2(1st)
MCH 47.0 46.3(4th) 48.2(1st)
BRD 45.0 44.7(2nd,5th) 45.9(10th)
GNB 44.1 42.9(9th) 45.5(2nd)
SAM 42.7 41.8(1st) 43.8(4th)
DRG 42.5 41.9(5th) 43.1(10th)
MNK 41.9 40.2(6th) 43.3(5th)
AST 41.5 39.3(7th) 43.5(2nd)
DRK 41.2 39.8(9th) 44.3(7th)
DNC 39.5 37.8(5th) 42.4(4th)
RDM 38.2 37.4(6th) 39.1(3rd)
RPR 37.6 36.8(3rd,6th) 38.4(2nd)
SMN 37.5 37.0(9th) 38.0(2nd)
SCH 37.2 36.0(7th) 38.4(5th,6th)
PLD 35.7 35.1(10th) 36.6(4th)
WAR 35.3 34.9(2nd,4th) 36.0(3rd,9th)
SGE 34.3 32.2(4th) 35.9(10th)
BLM 33.3 31.9(3rd) 35.2(8th)
WHM 33.0 31.8(5th,8th) 34.9(2nd)
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EDIT: Note there's a table there, so it's easier to read on reddit.
Also note this was 6.2, so before the PLD change and some random other things, but this is still going to be largely true.
It also doesn't speak to how EASY a Job is (BLM being near the bottom), just how easy-going the pace/cadence of how fast you need to press buttons is. -
09-03-2023, 09:35 AMLilimoLimomoI tried to make what I wrote here a bit more succinct and summarized it in a new thread that I hope will change the way the community thinks about macros; I also put links to my videos there if you're still interested: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...44#post6333744Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyJCats
To answer your question, if you simply use multiple actions in a macro, that won't innately cause an issue; thanks to you asking about that I did a test about it and wrote about it in my big post.
However, if you are using the /wait command, there's the chance that it could cause a delay, because /wait commands always take at minimum 1 second. So if waiting a full second between 2 actions would result in a loss, then that's something to be aware of. But there are also times where it's fine to do that, like if you have an instant-cast GCD and want it to always automatically be followed up with a weaved oGCD. A macro like that will probably prevent the possibility of a double-weave, but if you don't need to do a double-weave then nothing of value is lost. :)
Thanks for helping inspire me to do this! -
09-05-2023, 12:52 AMFuzzyJCatsThank you will definitely read your post Lilimo!Quote:
Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo