trust boosts?

has there been any thought to possibly adding trust boosts to the 14 store? Much like boosting our own character to the 80 in prep for endwalker, we could boost our trusts to the corresponding lvl for the newest content, like being able to boost them to 91 when dawntrail comes out for example? I'm sure alot of players have limited time to play and may not want to spend it spamming dungeons with trusts. Much as I enjoy trust and I did spam to lvl them it could be a welcome addition to the store to possibly have this available.

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Originally Posted by Cecwhite

has there been any thought to possibly adding trust boosts to the 14 store? Much like boosting our own character to the 80 in prep for endwalker, we could boost our trusts to the corresponding lvl for the newest content, like being able to boost them to 91 when dawntrail comes out for example? I'm sure alot of players have limited time to play and may not want to spend it spamming dungeons with trusts. Much as I enjoy trust and I did spam to lvl them it could be a welcome addition to the store to possibly have this available.

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Huh? Why? You can run those dungeons with Duty Support. You don't need to lvl trusts for anything, unless you wanna run them with specific party comp, change their glam slightly or get the achievement.

bruh lmao, really ?

I dont believe the actual Trust system is substantial enough to warrant selling boosts for it. You can always do the msq content with Duty support now and the trust glam feature is honestly such an arbitrary grind system that really should be taken out of the game. There's no reward to it besides dressing up the Scions in previous outfits.

Yeah, I always felt the trust thing was a side-side-side thing to make you feel like you're progressing towards -something- while grinding dungeons for alt jobs you're not comfortable doing in a PUG.

They're not going to sell Trust boosts when the entire point of Trust is to level the NPCs and then earn the achievement titles for doing that leveling.

If you don't want to level them, you don't need to. Use Duty Support instead.

The trusts relevant to MSQ get boosted to 91 anyway. At least that is what happened to me when EW came out. They got boosted to 81 while the ones no longer used remained 80.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Huh? Why? You can run those dungeons with Duty Support. You don't need to lvl trusts for anything, unless you wanna run them with specific party comp, change their glam slightly or get the achievement.

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I kinda wish Duty Support and Trust system could be melded to one, since they just "Doing dem dungeons with NPCs". Don't know how to make it work since Trust NPCs has its own progression

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Originally Posted by Heh

I kinda wish Duty Support and Trust system could be melded to one, since they just "Doing dem dungeons with NPCs". Don't know how to make it work since Trust NPCs has its own progression

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They used to be one. You used to have to level them to do the duty a second time with one.

Nobody leveled trusts, so they increased exp a lot. That didn't work, so they separated it so you can queue with the original comp whenever and leveling just allows you to glamour them.

Then they changed the non-leveling version to Duty Support when revamping the old dungeons because new players won't know what trust means unless they played FF11.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

The trusts relevant to MSQ get boosted to 91 anyway. At least that is what happened to me when EW came out. They got boosted to 81 while the ones no longer used remained 80.

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When EW came out the trusts were still whatever level they were from ShB. Had to level them to 81 using Lv79/80 dungeons before moving on to EW dungeons.

The trusts are easy to level, just extremely time consuming. Though Thancred is the worst to level though...

But you can just take your choice of tank and put together a team, go pull a pack of mobs and throw some AoEs to make sure you keep aggro and go afk as they kill the enemies and the healer keeps you alive. You only really have to do the boss fights.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

When EW came out the trusts were still whatever level they were from ShB. Had to level them to 81 using Lv79/80 dungeons before moving on to EW dungeons.

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Well, I didn't, yet many of them are level 81 except Ryne...

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Originally Posted by Rongway

When EW came out the trusts were still whatever level they were from ShB. Had to level them to 81 using Lv79/80 dungeons before moving on to EW dungeons.

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Nope, that's wrong. They started at 81 when EW came out.
Go look at any discussion about optimal grinding trust. There's no mention of LVL 80.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

When EW came out the trusts were still whatever level they were from ShB. Had to level them to 81 using Lv79/80 dungeons before moving on to EW dungeons.

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Graha was boosted to 81 (from 80). Trusts skip level 80. Estinien joined for EW at level 81. That's it.

What would be better is if trusts would get as much exp as the player. EW Dungeon exp was boosted for players (i believe as early as 6.1) but not for trusts. They now need 1-2 dungeon runs per dungeon for ShB but need 5(!) runs per dungeon for EW to do the next one.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Go look at any discussion about optimal grinding trust. There's no mention of LVL 80.

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That's not a great indicator of anything. There aren't any relevant discussions in the first few pages of google search results that even acknowledge the existence of Trusts prior to Lv80, though we all know they exist.

Are the EW Trusts separate entities from the ShB trusts? Do you level ShB Urianger from 71 to 80 separately from leveling EW Urianger from 81 to 90? Do Trusts instantly upgrade to Lv81 upon unlocking the Lv81 dungeon for the Trust system even if they're still Lv71? Do you have to level Trusts all the way from 71 to 90 if you didn't get them to 80 before unlocking the Lv81 dungeon for the Trust system?

Nothing I read answers these questions and my archive footage from the early EW days doesn't seem to include any of my Trust plays prior to having everyone around Lv89.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

That's not a great indicator of anything. There aren't any relevant discussions in the first few pages of google search results that even acknowledge the existence of Trusts prior to Lv80, though we all know they exist.

Are the EW Trusts separate entities from the ShB trusts? Do you level ShB Urianger from 71 to 80 separately from leveling EW Urianger from 81 to 90? Do Trusts instantly upgrade to Lv81 upon unlocking the Lv81 dungeon for the Trust system even if they're still Lv71? Do you have to level Trusts all the way from 71 to 90 if you didn't get them to 80 before unlocking the Lv81 dungeon for the Trust system?

Nothing I read answers these questions and my archive footage from the early EW days doesn't seem to include any of my Trust plays prior to having everyone around Lv89.

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What i found a while back always claimed that all the trust would be set to lvl 81 with EW's release. Typical great journalism, because guess what: it is false. They missread a live letter or smth.

How it actually is:
- Most trusts start at lvl 71
- Exarch/Graha started at lvl 80
- Estinien starts at lvl 81
- Ryne can only do ShB dungeons and her maximal lvl is 80
- Estinien can only do EW dungeons
- For EW content Alphinaud is a Sage instead of a carbuncle scholar (said to be a "Healer" which was changed to "Academic" - at least that would be the german translation)
- For all but Ryne lvl 80 was scrapped with EW's release; now they go from 79 to 81 directly. Exp gets set to 0 though for level 81
- Exp for trust was boosted (with 6.0 i think) for ShB dungeons

Sources: what i read and my experience

Added: Since a lot of people claim all their trusts start at lvl 81, first: show me your Ryne. Second: idk if it actually is supposed to be like that or a bug (not having them be set to 81). I did not do any runs with trusts before i finished EW, but i did look at the menu and listened to their voice lines before finishing EW.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

That's not a great indicator of anything. There aren't any relevant discussions in the first few pages of google search results that even acknowledge the existence of Trusts prior to Lv80, though we all know they exist.

Are the EW Trusts separate entities from the ShB trusts? Do you level ShB Urianger from 71 to 80 separately from leveling EW Urianger from 81 to 90? Do Trusts instantly upgrade to Lv81 upon unlocking the Lv81 dungeon for the Trust system even if they're still Lv71? Do you have to level Trusts all the way from 71 to 90 if you didn't get them to 80 before unlocking the Lv81 dungeon for the Trust system?

Nothing I read answers these questions and my archive footage from the early EW days doesn't seem to include any of my Trust plays prior to having everyone around Lv89.

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I did level them all in Shadowbringers (to 80). I just decided I'm not doing it anymore after that because it's tedious. Despite only leveling them to 80, they are all 81, regardless of glamour or duty selection, except Ryne who is still 80 and Zero who is 90.

There's no point in leveling them for completionist reasons if SE will just do it for me with the release of Dawntrail.

TLDR of this post is the usual from the FFXIV forums

"please let me pay for everything so I dont have to do anything in the game that requires a minuscule effort"

yall are actually having a proper discussion about this while the fact is, people like OP should just play a singleplayer game if they dont want to do any sort of effort and then they can just modify the levels and even the money if their heart wishes to since its singleplayer, this is an MMORPG, stop trying to get milked for more money because you cant do any sort of effort, its so weird, just dont play the game if you dont have time already and do something else with your time, the laziness on these forums is off the charts

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

There's no point in leveling them for completionist reasons if SE will just do it for me with the release of Dawntrail.

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They will most likely stay at 81, Ryne at 80 and Zero will be boosted one level.

They could add in better rewards for the Trust system, because currently there's almost no incentive to invest time in leveling them when technically the Duty support can achieve the same thing (and better because you can go for a few extra duties).

A shame that the perfect excuse for a reward is already monetized with the store, and that is the Scion's glamours.

This is like asking for a boost for those crafting achievements. It's just a mindless grind so you have something extra to do.

I'm looking at the Trust window right now on one of my alts that did not touch Trust at all in Shadowbringers or Endwalker.

If I start with Mt. Gulg selected:

Alphinaud - Academician level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Alisaie - Red Mage level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Thancred - Gunbreaker level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Urianger - Astrologian level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Y'shtola - Sorceress level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Ryne - Oracle of Light level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
G'raha Tia - All-Rounder level 81

If I switch the duty to Tower of Zot:

Alphinaud - Sage level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Alisaie - Red Mage level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Thancred - Gunbreaker level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Urianger - Astrologian level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Y'shtola - Sorceress level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Estinien - Dragoon level 81
G'raha Tia - All-Rounder level 81

So they don't automatically get bumped to level 81 in Trust if you select an Endwalker duty.

I think players are confusing Trust with Duty Support. They are now 2 separate systems serving a similar purpose.

NPCs in Trust need to be leveled (starting level based on when they were added to Trust).

NPCs in Duty Support do not need to be leveled - they are automatically synced to the appropriate level for the selected duty.

When you interact with the NPCs at a dungeon entrance or the entrance portal, you're now interacting with Duty Support and not Trust. Even on this character that has all Trust NPCs completely leveled, interacting with the entrance portal only brings up the NPCs available through Duty support. If I go to Holminster Switch, I get to choose from Alphinaud, Alisaie, Lyna or G'raha.

I guess Trust is nice if you want more control over which NPCs go with you into a dungeon but otherwise there's no need to level Trust anymore unless you want the titles.

@Jojoya

I can’t promise I’m right on this, but I noticed when Endwalker dropped, only the trust peeps I had at cap were boosted to 81 (from 80). Everyone else (sorry Urianger, it was literally only him) was stuck at 75.

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I'm looking at the Trust window right now on one of my alts that did not touch Trust at all in Shadowbringers or Endwalker.

If I start with Mt. Gulg selected:

Alphinaud - Academician level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Alisaie - Red Mage level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Thancred - Gunbreaker level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Urianger - Astrologian level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Y'shtola - Sorceress level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Ryne - Oracle of Light level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
G'raha Tia - All-Rounder level 81

If I switch the duty to Tower of Zot:

Alphinaud - Sage level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Alisaie - Red Mage level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Thancred - Gunbreaker level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Urianger - Astrologian level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Y'shtola - Sorceress level 71 ("insufficient level" error)
Estinien - Dragoon level 81
G'raha Tia - All-Rounder level 81

So they don't automatically get bumped to level 81 in Trust if you select an Endwalker duty.

I think players are confusing Trust with Duty Support. They are now 2 separate systems serving a similar purpose.

NPCs in Trust need to be leveled (starting level based on when they were added to Trust).

NPCs in Duty Support do not need to be leveled - they are automatically synced to the appropriate level for the selected duty.

When you interact with the NPCs at a dungeon entrance or the entrance portal, you're now interacting with Duty Support and not Trust. Even on this character that has all Trust NPCs completely leveled, interacting with the entrance portal only brings up the NPCs available through Duty support. If I go to Holminster Switch, I get to choose from Alphinaud, Alisaie, Lyna or G'raha.

I guess Trust is nice if you want more control over which NPCs go with you into a dungeon but otherwise there's no need to level Trust anymore unless you want the titles.

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No one said they get bumped up from not doing it at all to LVL 81. We're talking about once you get them up to 80.
Unless they made it only a feature when the expansion comes out? Cuz I can guarantee, I never had to do LVL 80 with my trust.

Seems odd to bump them up a level immediately upon reaching 80. They could just allow further experience gain to reach 81 in the previous dungeons. It seemed logical to me that they were bumped up regardless of level.

At least leveling your Squadron and setting up tactics rewarded you with faster clears, Trusts are a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

At least leveling your Squadron and setting up tactics rewarded you with faster clears, Trusts are a waste of time.

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Trusts/Duty Support could be better but they aren't a complete waste of time. Can farm for glam/minions without having to share loot rolls (Dead Ends too many times now and I just know, the one time it drops, it will be in a roulette or something and someone else will get the roll). And, in OCE, can at least run those dungeons whenever you want, cause good luck doing any particular dungeon at 10am NZT.

But yea, I wish they had expanded more on squadrons instead.

I think their reasoning was that 80-81 is a EW level, needing EW amounts of exp but you can only do ShB dungeons to get there... which might take too long

They will probably make level 90 also automatically forward to 91

I think the reason is more SE knows people would be pissed if a new expansion came out and you literally couldn't use trust on new content until you run the previous expansion dungeon 3 times. Skipping the lvl makes it so it can stay in line with the actual lvling content.
Goes in line with the whole respect peoples time thing everyone always talks about.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

At least leveling your Squadron and setting up tactics rewarded you with faster clears, Trusts are a waste of time.

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And with squadrons you could level with missions and training. With trusts it's just repeat dungeon until they are high enough for the next dungeon and repeat that. Sure you can go and do lower level dungeons but that just means doing more.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Trusts/Duty Support could be better but they aren't a complete waste of time. Can farm for glam/minions without having to share loot rolls (Dead Ends too many times now and I just know, the one time it drops, it will be in a roulette or something and someone else will get the roll). And, in OCE, can at least run those dungeons whenever you want, cause good luck doing any particular dungeon at 10am NZT.

But yea, I wish they had expanded more on squadrons instead.

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That is nice after you have them leveled. I was farming The Qitana Ravel for glams and it got a lot of them a few levels but obviously Estinien isn't getting anything so I have to do just as much grinding on EW dungeons to catch him up and at this point I'll probably be leveling him while everyone else is maxed.

They should have just expanded Squadrons to include the scions and more dungeons, maybe updated the AI a bit.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

I think the reason is more SE knows people would be pissed if a new expansion came out and you literally couldn't use trust on new content until you run the previous expansion dungeon 3 times. Skipping the lvl makes it so it can stay in line with the actual lvling content.
Goes in line with the whole respect peoples time thing everyone always talks about.

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Except they didn't get boosted for EW. So yep, you can't use trusts for EW dungeons unless you have at least one of them leveled (thanks to Graha and Estinien starting at 81). What you mention is also a non-issue since you can simply use duty support.

The trust system is just for the achievements of levelling them up since EW as there is duty support.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Except they didn't get boosted for EW. So yep, you can't use trusts for EW dungeons unless you have at least one of them leveled (thanks to Graha and Estinien starting at 81). What you mention is also a non-issue since you can simply use duty support.

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I know, I never said you would get all your trust boosted. I'm aware you need to get them to 80 and then the game skips a lvl there (at least I can guarantee that's how it works for new expansion launch).
I would agree with you about duty support if they straight up replaced trust. but trust still exist with an achievement.
So I'd much rather work on an achievement instead of wasting time in duty support. Otherwise I'd play with people instead.

People asking to outright pay to not play. AAA gaming is so weird.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

People asking to outright pay to not play. AAA gaming is so weird.

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"I want to have the rewards, but I dont want to play, please let me pay for it with real money !!!!" - Typical FFXIV player

Or the good old "I dont have time to play I have a wife, kids and a full time job, so let me skip through it and get the rewards with real money !"

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

"I want to have the rewards, but I dont want to play, please let me pay for it with real money !!!!" - Typical FFXIV player

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When it comes to the Trusts, the only rewards for them available is titles... "Trusted Friend" for getting them all the ShB ones to 80, and "The Seventh Dawn" for 90.
And as you can always just use the Duty Support anyways they don't even NEED to be leveled.

I don't even know what the purpose for a boost for them would be other than throwing away money.