Everyone move to Aether for PF please

Title. While controversial the bigger we make this problem the faster they will fix it with Cross DC PF.

Quit resisting, it is better for everyone if we make the problem too big to ignore.

Even if you don't try to do this whatever you are trying to fill will be more inconvenient and take longer in your own DC anyways.

What now? (●´ω｀●)ゞ ~?

No, thank you. I don't want to give up my mansion.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

No, thank you. I don't want to give up my mansion.

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Travel for PF, not move you character to that DC xD. If there's a few PFs in the other datacenters they will become Exhibit A as to why they don't need to fix this situation but it's awful. So the more obvious the problem the quicker they get attention.

I prefer being on primal. Even after cross datacenter travel and everyone going to Aether to raid que times on primal haven't changed much.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

I prefer being on primal. Even after cross datacenter travel and everyone going to Aether to raid que times on primal haven't changed much.

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PF =/= DF

Mixing the two up.

No. I hate traveling to Aether. I like to craft, check my retainers, chat with friends and other things when I wait or during breaks.

Send over all the club ads from Crystal too, that'll really clog it up!

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Originally Posted by Ath192

PF =/= DF

Mixing the two up.

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i still prefer primals party finder over aethers even if primals party finder isn't as full as it use to be after they implemented datacenter travel.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

i still prefer primals party finder over aethers even if primals party finder isn't as full as it use to be after they implemented datacenter travel.

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There is basically no party finder in primal, out of the mere 11 groups looking for a high end party on a Friday afternoon (SC ~ same time as this post) some of them have waited for over 30 minutes and barely managed 3 DPS. So if you like waiting for eternity to play your content and most of the time not all go ham though! Just saying, it's getting worse and being stubborn and not moving is making the fix take longer.

https://i.imgur.com/yKrsn7W.png

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Originally Posted by Ath192

There is basically no party finder in primal, out of the mere 11 groups looking for a high end party on a Friday afternoon (SC ~ same time as this post) some of them have waited for over 30 minutes and barely managed 3 DPS. So if you like waiting for eternity to play your content and most of the time not all go ham though! Just saying, it's getting worse and being stubborn and not moving is making the fix take longer.

https://i.imgur.com/yKrsn7W.png

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How is me leaving primal going to fix primals party finder issues if anything you should convince people to come back and put up party finders on primal. Convincing more people to leave isn't going to fix things on the datacenter.

I would imagine the devs are pretty flabbergasted at the moment having watched the community so thoroughly shoot itself in the foot like this and then get mad at them about it.

Cross-DC PF could potentially solve the issue but we don't know if implementing that is even possible. Until such time as that is proven otherwise, it seems like the only solutions at the moment are:

1. Community collectively stops going to Aether and creating its own problem. (unlikely)

2. Devs block travelers from using PF/DF on other Data Centers.

3. Devs disable DC Travel entirely.

No matter what they do they're going to enrage some percentage of the player base.

My money is on the devs choosing "2" for party finder and non-prebuilds in dungeon finder.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I would imagine the devs are pretty flabbergasted at the moment having watched the community so thoroughly shoot itself in the foot like this and then get mad at them about it.

Cross-DC PF could potentially solve the issue but we don't know if implementing that is even possible. Until such time as that is proven otherwise, it seems like the only solutions at the moment are:

1. Community collectively stops going to Aether and creating its own problem. (unlikely)

2. Devs block travelers from using PF/DF on other Data Centers.

3. Devs disable DC Travel entirely.

No matter what they do they're going to enrage some percentage of the player base.

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Of course it’s possible. So yes, it is the logical solution.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I would imagine the devs are pretty flabbergasted at the moment having watched the community so thoroughly shoot itself in the foot like this and then get mad at them about it.

Cross-DC PF could potentially solve the issue but we don't know if implementing that is even possible. Until such time as that is proven otherwise, it seems like the only solutions at the moment are:

1. Community collectively stops going to Aether and creating its own problem. (unlikely)

2. Devs block travelers from using PF/DF on other Data Centers.

3. Devs disable DC Travel entirely.

No matter what they do they're going to enrage some percentage of the player base.

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I suspect the devs would choose #2 if they do anything. That said I would love to see ALL the cross DC crap go the way of the Dodo.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

I suspect the devs would choose #2 if they do anything. That said I would love to see ALL the cross DC crap go the way of the Dodo.

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I'd prefer it going away also, but #2 is the best option imo.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

There is basically no party finder in primal, out of the mere 11 groups looking for a high end party on a Friday afternoon (SC ~ same time as this post) some of them have waited for over 30 minutes and barely managed 3 DPS. So if you like waiting for eternity to play your content and most of the time not all go ham though! Just saying, it's getting worse and being stubborn and not moving is making the fix take longer.

https://i.imgur.com/yKrsn7W.png

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You guys have PF ads?

On materia we have this:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...d1b1ce4845.png

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Of course it’s possible. So yes, it is the logical solution.

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I wasn't aware you were on the dev team. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

That said I would love to see ALL the cross DC crap go the way of the Dodo.

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Same.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I wasn't aware you were on the dev team. My bad.

Same.

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I’m aware that technical problems have technical solutions. And nothing about this Cross DC PF screams impossible. But hey, maybe they cracked everything DC travel wise except this. Why, only magic could solve this one.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

How is me leaving primal going to fix primals party finder issues if anything you should convince people to come back and put up party finders on primal. Convincing more people to leave isn't going to fix things on the datacenter.

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OP is trying to exacerbate the issue by having more players travel to Aether to PF. This would then send a clear message to the development team to indicate to current ongoing issue, in the form of data.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I would imagine the devs are pretty flabbergasted at the moment having watched the community so thoroughly shoot itself in the foot like this and then get mad at them about it.

Cross-DC PF could potentially solve the issue but we don't know if implementing that is even possible. Until such time as that is proven otherwise, it seems like the only solutions at the moment are:

1. Community collectively stops going to Aether and creating its own problem. (unlikely)

2. Devs block travelers from using PF/DF on other Data Centers.

3. Devs disable DC Travel entirely.

No matter what they do they're going to enrage some percentage of the player base.

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How exactly is the community "shooting itself in the foot"? It's common knowledge that a larger pool of players available increases the chances of getting into content that's generally run through PF.
This was already the case before data center travel was even a thing. Most notably was the exodus of raiders on Balmung, when SE decided to move it away from Gilgamesh/Aether and into the newly made Crystal datacenter. Data Center travel simply made this more accessible/free.

Cross-DC PF wouldn't just potentially solve the issue, it would 100% solve the issue.
If they're able to make travel between physical datacenters work (for example, NA to EU), as stated by Yoshi-P, it's not too big of a stretch for Cross-DC PF to be a thing eventually.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I'd prefer it going away also, but #2 is the best option imo.

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Easy for you to say, since you're already on Aether. #2 would simply push more people to either transfer or start on Aether.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I’m aware that technical problems have technical solutions. And nothing about this Cross DC PF screams impossible. But hey, maybe they cracked everything DC travel wise except this. Why, only magic could solve this one.

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Cross DC travel requires you to be logged out of the character to use. PF requires you to be logged in to use.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

OP is trying to exacerbate the issue by having more players travel to Aether to PF. This would then send a clear message to the development team to indicate to current ongoing issue, in the form of data.

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It does seem there doing that to try to convince the dev team to get rid of datacenter travel by having the entire primal crystal and dynamis pile onto aether even more to stress out that datacenter more then it already is.

How about people meow off and stop coming to aether...ok dynamis you cool to come. Your DC dead anyways. Crystal and primal...do your raids and stuff on your own DC's.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

It does seem there doing that to try to convince the dev team to get rid of datacenter travel by having the entire primal crystal and dynamis pile onto aether even more to stress out that datacenter more then it already is.

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I think conceptually it would look like PF being a database all datacenters in a region can access with the information of the players and when the PF queues into an instance all characters get ported to the same instance/server so they can raid together. How that would look like on their proprietary IP is anyones guess. But yes, by exacerbating the issue it will inevitably become high priority.

Its not like people have anything to gain by trying to fight this and staying in their own DCs. All that will net them is vastly longer wait times or never filling in worst cases.

In fact, it's mostly already happened. There are a couple of holdouts here and there, but I'd say close to 90% of the population is already raiding in Aether.

Quite frankly, besides the minor annoyance of DC travel this could just be the new reality, which is fine, but not ideal. If this is truly what the playerbase wants, for this not to be fixed, it's not a deal breaker. But, it could be better for sure.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I think conceptually it would look like PF being a database all datacenters in a region can access with the information of the players and when the PF queues into an instance all characters get ported to the same instance/server so they can raid together. How that would look like on their proprietary IP is anyones guess. But yes, by exacerbating the issue it will inevitably become high priority.

Its not like people have anything to gain by trying to fight this and staying in their own DCs. All that will net them is vastly longer wait times or never filling in worst cases.

In fact, it's mostly already happened. There are a couple of holdouts here and there, but I'd say close to 90% of the population is already raiding in Aether.

Quite frankly, besides the minor annoyance of DC travel this could just be the new reality, which is fine, but not ideal. If this is truly what the playerbase wants, for this not to be fixed, it's not a deal breaker. But, it could be better for sure.

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With how the thread was titled is seemed you wanted people to pile up on aether to crash it and get rid of datacenter visit unless i misunderstood the thread.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

With how the thread was titled is seemed you wanted people to pile up on aether to crash it and get rid of datacenter visit unless i misunderstood the thread.

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no, the server can handle it, they just got upgraded as well, its so the devs see that the rest of the servers are an empty wasteland in PF and they need to fix that. It's pretty unacceptable. noobs suffer the most since they dont know they can hop

The devs must already know most DCs are wastelands now. It's happening in JP too. The issue is already as bad as it can get. Crystal and Dynamis are dead in the water. Primal is starting to wither away as well despite holding out well.

They can't shut down DC Travel anymore because most statics are entirely mixed DC parties. The splitting of that many statics would be devastating. Not only that, but people will all jump ship to Aether like they did during the Crystal split.

They could hypothetically shut down DC Travel and block all transfers to Aether/Primal/Crystal for several months so people don't pile into Aether immediately. I would actually be kind of down with this cuz it would force people to DF and PF on their own servers with no chance of trying to run away. Even still... this is pretty extreme and would hurt Dynamis players in the short-term (but I believe would benefit them in the long-term as only Dynamis would be available to transfer to/character creation).

Cross DC PF is the only thing that can be done without blowing up everything imo.

Please stop sending your worst players over to Aether to troll my PFs. Please keep them on your DCs.

definitely should at least close PF,Duty finder should be fine since people would actually have to communicate with each other to play so not really killing the meet friend aspect and would kill some of the ads

Restrict party finder for DC travelers and 90% of this would resolved, I doubt NA has the balls to solo queue like JP

I think they can solve this issue simply by blocking travelers from putting up a PF or making a party. I assume people would get impatient waiting for Aether natives to put up a PF that they can join, so they'd go back to their own DC and throw up their own PF. Cross-DC statics will survive since at least one person will be able to make the PF.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I think they can solve this issue simply by blocking travelers from putting up a PF or making a party. I assume people would get impatient waiting for Aether natives to put up a PF that they can join, so they'd go back to their own DC and throw up their own PF. Cross-DC statics will survive since at least one person will be able to make the PF.

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This is a great idea.