Where are the Zodiark/Themis/Lahabrea minions?

After returning to the game briefly and completing Pandaemonium im genuinely baffled that the minion rewards only had Athena and Erichthonios but not Themis or Lahabrea or even Zodiark, characters who have played an integral role in the story since 2.0. Especially considering Yoshi P has stated in the past they make minions based on when a characters story is completed. I think its safe to say the story for all 3 of these is completed yet where are the minions to show for it? Venat got a minion, Emet got 2 and Hyth got one already. Where are the ones for these characters?

Most likely the same place the Shadowbeast mount ended up, backlog for the mogstation instead of actual content rewards.

Yoshi says a lot of things he goes back on and forgets about when it's convenient for him.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Most likely the same place the Shadowbeast mount ended up, backlog for the mogstation instead of actual content rewards.

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This would be incredibly saddening honestly. Especially because they specifically included Venat in the msq reward. If they tied the antagonist equivalent to mogstation it would just show the devs bias even more i suppose.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This would be incredibly saddening honestly. Especially because they specifically included Venat in the msq reward. If they tied the antagonist equivalent to mogstation it would just show the devs bias even more i suppose.

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I mean the bias clearly exists, we don't spend time with Zodiark like we do with Hydaelyn / Venat.
Hydaelyn's message is more optimist/positivist than Zodiark, they picked one side instead of spending 20 years developing both.

It felt outstandingly...weird to get Athena as the Anabaseios minion over Themis.

Perhaps they'll surprise us and make one of them a reward from the next Rising event like they did with Emet.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

It felt outstandingly...weird to get Athena as the Anabaseios minion over Themis.

Perhaps they'll surprise us and make one of them a reward from the next Rising event like they did with Emet.

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Sadly at this rate with how much they’re pushing these other character i half expect the rising minion to be Erenville with Zodiark,Themis,and Lahabrea being forgotten. It’s just sad to see Yoshi’s lies once again with nothing changing in over the year since i’ve played last.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Most likely the same place the Shadowbeast mount ended up, backlog for the mogstation instead of actual content rewards.

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Yoshi P when FFXIV players get pissed at him for putting the minions for sale on mog station:

https://media.tenor.com/4Lwvr7MF9GcA...nbean-lotr.gif

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Originally Posted by Elissar

I mean the bias clearly exists, we don't spend time with Zodiark like we do with Hydaelyn / Venat.
Hydaelyn's message is more optimist/positivist than Zodiark, they picked one side instead of spending 20 years developing both.

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You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past, and that's not even touching with the interactions with him as Themis in Pandaemonium. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.

Antagonists stopped getting as many minions in Shadowbringers. We used to get minions of, or related to, every trial boss, but out of ShB to current, only Ruby Weapon got one, and then as a recent PVP reward. (Yes, there's a Solus/Emet-Selch minion, but not one of Hades. There's also a Venat, but no Hydaelyn. Yes, I will be that pedantic about it.)

Zodiark is important enough to the lore that I could see him being a Rising reward like Emet, or from a code included with a book or soundtrack or something like Yotsuyu. Hopefully not a $400 statue, but those seem to be getting emotes rather than minions.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.

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Yeah but darkness bad according to Yoshi so it's never happening unless he's low on cash.

Oh I don't doubt that it's likely not, it's more that I find the reasons being offered pretty shoddy.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

It felt outstandingly...weird to get Athena as the Anabaseios minion over Themis.

Perhaps they'll surprise us and make one of them a reward from the next Rising event like they did with Emet.

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I'm on a little bit of cope and thinking that they saw Anabaseios as the only real chance to make an Athena minion, but Themis could be released at any point in the future for an event or something. I'm happy with my Athena minion, but I'm definetly hoping that they release a Themis minion soon. Maybe in 6.5 they'll add him to the lv 90 maps that already have Emet/Hythlo.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Antagonists stopped getting as many minions in Shadowbringers. We used to get minions of, or related to, every trial boss, but out of ShB to current, only Ruby Weapon got one, and then as a recent PVP reward. (Yes, there's a Solus/Emet-Selch minion, but not one of Hades. There's also a Venat, but no Hydaelyn. Yes, I will be that pedantic about it.)

Zodiark is important enough to the lore that I could see him being a Rising reward like Emet, or from a code included with a book or soundtrack or something like Yotsuyu. Hopefully not a $400 statue, but those seem to be getting emotes rather than minions.

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There is a crafted barbariccia minion, for what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

There is a crafted barbariccia minion, for what it's worth.

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Not surprising considering it’s always usually waifus that get the minions and not really the males lol.

I want my Zenos Minion and a nice Poster for my Apartment.

Another reason we might not have the Zodiark minion is due to spoilers.

Imagine being a newer player and seeing the "mysterious being worshiped by the Ascians that's at the heart of everything" for the first time as a goofy little caricature.


Getting the Athena minion over the Themis one was a little silly though.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Another reason we might not have the Zodiark minion is due to spoilers.

Imagine being a newer player and seeing the "mysterious being worshiped by the Ascians that's at the heart of everything" for the first time as a goofy little caricature.


Getting the Athena minion over the Themis one was a little silly though.

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This didn’t stop them from adding Shinryu,Nidhogg,Dalamud etc minions though. A minion made in likeness of a literal calamity lol. Or spoilers wise there’s Graha lol.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This didn’t stop them from adding Shinryu,Nidhogg,Dalamud etc minions though. A minion made in likeness of a literal calamity lol. Or spoilers wise there’s Graha lol.

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Dalamud minion was from the 1.0 soundtrack, and that ship had sailed by the time it released.


As in, 2.0 was well into it's service life.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This didn’t stop them from adding Shinryu,Nidhogg,Dalamud etc minions though. A minion made in likeness of a literal calamity lol. Or spoilers wise there’s Graha lol.

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My point was being spoiled by seeing the being that has been alluded to throughout the entire history of the game and revealed near the climax after 100+ hours of gameplay for the first time as a cartoon in Lower Limsa.

I don't think that's equivalent to G'raha considering he shows up in ARR and anyone who couldn't guess the Exarch's identity probably skipped cutscenes and doesn't care anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past, and that's not even touching with the interactions with him as Themis in Pandaemonium. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.

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There is no Pandaemonium story without Athena. I want a Themis minion as much as the next person but there's no one more important to that story than her. There would have been no reason for interactions with Themis without her actions.

I expect some of these we might see in future Rising events, Gold Saucer, or treasure maps like Hyth.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

There is no Pandaemonium story without Athena.

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We don't have a Mitron minion even though we don't have an Eden story without Mitron. We probably wouldn't have ever even met Gaia (who got a minion) without Mitron. Personally I don't think Mitron needs a minion, and I'm also happy that we got an Athena minion, but your logic doesn't really work when considering Eden.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

They literally made venat minion lol

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True. Plus, the 'Nidhogg Slayer' title or whatever that one was comes to mind as well. Spoilers don't seem to be an issue when it comes to this stuff.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

My point was being spoiled by seeing the being that has been alluded to throughout the entire history of the game and revealed near the climax after 100+ hours of gameplay for the first time as a cartoon in Lower Limsa.

I don't think that's equivalent to G'raha considering he shows up in ARR and anyone who couldn't guess the Exarch's identity probably skipped cutscenes and doesn't care anyway.

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They literally made venat minion lol

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Originally Posted by Kozh

They literally made venat minion lol

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And it's not named Venat. Just as the other Ancient minions don't have their names to preserve their identities. What would you call a Zodiark minion to hide that it's Zodiark? Tentacle demon?

I don't think Venat's appearance is a big deal anyway. If they did a Hydaelyn minion, that would be completely different.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

What would you call a Zodiark minion to hide that it's Zodiark? Tentacle demon?

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There's probably a Greek word they could use for it. They did that with Aidoneus (Emet) and Philos (Hythlo).

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Themis i could see as a rising minion
but it would have to be his little ancient one form post WoL
or Lahabreah and Themis become treasure map minions like emet and hythlodeus

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Athena doesn't really have any chance to get a minion outside of Anabaseios, while Themis could be thrown into literally anything and people wouldn't care, so I'm thinking the developers wanted to make her now and do Themis later.

Themis i could see as a rising minion
but it would have to be his little ancient one form post WoL
or Lahabreah and Themis become treasure map minions like emet and hythlodeus

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

And it's not named Venat. Just as the other Ancient minions don't have their names to preserve their identities. What would you call a Zodiark minion to hide that it's Zodiark? Tentacle demon?

I don't think Venat's appearance is a big deal anyway. If they did a Hydaelyn minion, that would be completely different.

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So? Then do the same for Zodiark lol

For example, it could've been called wind-up Messiah. Or Martyr. Or something else in Greek
(Thankfully the devs aren't so unimaginative as you, so I think it'll be fine)

Meanwhile Themis minion could use his real name since all wind-up erich and athena use their name as well.

Also are we forgetting that they already spoil Hydaelyn and Zodiark themselves when they show Amano art prior to EW release..?

I would love to have a Zodiark mount or minion. But then i also Copium hopium they utilise him and Themis in some form in the future. (I do highly doubt this will happen, but I can hope)

Pretty sure YP has said that the minions are only created once characters have finished their stories.

I also kinda want Zodiark as a 7.0 demi for SMN.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I would love to have a Zodiark mount or minion. But then i also Copium hopium they utilise him and Themis in some form in the future. (I do highly doubt this will happen, but I can hope)

Pretty sure YP has said that the minions are only created once characters have finished their stories.

I also kinda want Zodiark as a 7.0 demi for SMN.

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I’d love a minion and a demi summon! Unfortunately though with how much the devs seem to hate Zodiark and couldn’t even bother giving him a positive codex entry i don’t see it happening :/ Just read it today and the fact not once is he ever even cited as being the one responsible for saving the planet and keeping it safe for 12k years is sad.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

Pretty sure YP has said that the minions are only created once characters have finished their stories.

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Yes. Though there's no consistency to it - we have multiple minions for certain characters who are still very much present in the ongoing story.

Prediction:

We'll get Rubicante and Emerald Weapon in 6.5 at least, maybe also Diamond Weapon to clear that backlog. Rubicante as a crafted Minion and Emerald/Diamond Weapon as PvP Series Rewards.

Zodiark will be a crafted minion at some point, either in 6.55 or just after 7.0, Themis will likely be tied to the artbook and Lahabrea will likely be tied to the soundtrack. Easy way to drive sales for both.

Also bear in mind that we haven't had new Cash Shop minions that weren't events in quite a while now. At least since... Stormblood, I want to say.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

For example, it could've been called wind-up Messiah. Or Martyr. Or something else in Greek
(Thankfully the devs aren't so unimaginative as you, so I think it'll be fine)

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Yeesh. It was a joke.

Anyway they probably wouldn’t use those words since I feel like that’s a bit too close to real world religion stuff for comfort, especially when being referred to a god of darkness.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Also are we forgetting that they already spoil Hydaelyn and Zodiark themselves when they show Amano art prior to EW release..?

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I suppose that’s fair.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

Prediction:

We'll get Rubicante and Emerald Weapon in 6.5 at least, maybe also Diamond Weapon to clear that backlog. Rubicante as a crafted Minion and Emerald/Diamond Weapon as PvP Series Rewards.

Zodiark will be a crafted minion at some point, either in 6.55 or just after 7.0, Themis will likely be tied to the artbook and Lahabrea will likely be tied to the soundtrack. Easy way to drive sales for both.

Also bear in mind that we haven't had new Cash Shop minions that weren't events in quite a while now. At least since... Stormblood, I want to say.

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Yeah i’m hoping we at least see them somewhere. I’m mainly looking forward to them for the text, hopefully that it does these characters some justice and giving proper representation to the likes of elidibus and zodiark.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yeah i’m hoping we at least see them somewhere. I’m mainly looking forward to them for the text, hopefully that it does these characters some justice and giving proper representation to the likes of elidibus and zodiark.

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Although, we'd still need an Ameliance minion at some point, and that's likely an IRL merch sort of minion. I could hypothetically see Themis being a minion for the Rising next year, as it'll be shortly after Dawntrail's launch and a good way to tie off the old story.

A Zero minion though would entirely depend on what happens to her in 6.5, and whether or not her story ends in this expansion. Golbez is very likely to end up being the dungeon minion though.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past, and that's not even touching with the interactions with him as Themis in Pandaemonium. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.

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I am not saying they are not important. Re read my comment. Our emotional bonds is way deeper with Elidibus / Themis. We are his ideal hero. There is no comparison with a puppet like Zodiark.

"Bad Guys" only get minions when their part in the story is over.