New teaser trailer was okay, but the tone and the music choice caught me off guard.

...in my opinion. Just my opinion. I was really thrown off by how wrong my expectations were on what I would see from the new trailer.

We've concluded the overarching 10 year plot. It's now the beginning of something new. And I was expecting this amazing orchestral music, something really uplifting as they introduce us to this new world. Like I was expecting that sort of music like 'Driven by the Stars' from Monster Hunter World.

Soken's rock music is great and all, but it's definitely mishandled here. They should of definitely went with orchestral. It's a step into a completely new setting and a new saga for the story.

If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure. But I was very thrown off with the entire tone of the trailer. It didn't give me the feeling that I expected, so good job subverting my expectations I guess?

I could go on about things like not expecting the scions to take center stage again, but I feel like that's a completely other topic. The whole point is, I didn't think we would have rock band music for this trailer because it didn't suit it.

I wanted a "Welcome to a whole new world with another great journey that awaits you." Instead of "Woo! We on vacation, guys! Let's get piss drunk and party rock while shoving big fat tacos in our face"

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Originally Posted by Edelgarde

If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure. But I was very thrown off with the entire tone of the trailer.

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Well, yes, it's not really matched the Shadowbringers or Endwalker teaser, but I think it sounded better when not watching it through a stream and I think the fight sequence will make it better when we get it. Currently the fight sequence seems to get cut short.

It's also hard to imagine going from this heated Golbez situation, to suddenly having a holiday in an expansion themed like Island Sanctuary, so that helped subvert the expectations even more.

The detail we were given after made me feel better about it, because we're going to explore some mountains which seem interesting. Also should remember, and they did mention this, but even if they hadn't, there is a city of gold there. I hope it isn't just gold though, because I don't like anything to just be one color.

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Soken's rock music is great and all, but it's definitely mishandled here. They should of definitely went with orchestral. It's a step into a completely new setting and a new saga for the story.

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We don't question Soken. According to what was said at fanfest, he was surprised by it as well but he did what he was asked.

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I could go on about things like not expecting the scions to take center stage again, but I feel like that's a completely other topic.

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I wish they didn't as well. They did talk about the scions falling out though, so maybe we'll fight them as bosses.

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Originally Posted by Edelgarde

If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure. But I was very thrown off with the entire tone of the trailer. It didn't give me the feeling that I expected, so good job subverting my expectations I guess?

I wanted a "Welcome to a whole new world with another great journey that awaits you." Instead of "Woo! We on vacation, guys! Let's get piss drunk and party rock while shoving big fat tacos in our face"

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Yeah, I know what you mean. It was a little too light-hearted, and I can see this trailer throwing off people who are new to the game. From an outsider's perspective, people are probably going to ask: "what the hell is this, what is the objective of this game?" I bet some might end up thinking that Dawntrail is a spin-off of FFXIV, much like how Mario Party was a spin-off of a regular Mario game or how DOA Beach Volleyball was a spin-off of the usual DOA fighting game.

I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.

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No particular guarantees of a long-term arc in general. They will probably do whatever they think fits. If there is a story they want to tell over two expansions they will probably do that rather than saying it has to necessarily be like the arc we've had that lasted a decade.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

From an outsider's perspective, people are probably going to ask: "what the hell is this, what is the objective of this game?"

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It's an RPG. This looks like a "where the story is going" teaser (and where it is going looks pretty interesting). And those conspicuous people must be the main cast that older players would recognise?

Plus you get to fight some kind of giant two-headed Mayincaztec demon thing with giant swords. Cool.

The music sounds like the english version of some shounen anime intro. Definitely hints the writing direction won't be very different from the last 2 years.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.

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I think otherwise... this is actually the perfect foundation, because it literally sets the tone down there at the lowest possible. Like, no matter what they do, the WoL can't really be treated like a beginner adventurer anymore, so having this 'relaxed' opening theme for the arc makes a lot of sense.

I'd personally bet that the serious tone will escalate as the MSQ progresses. I'd say the finale might as well add a big cliffhanger of the new theatening force that will be explored further in the patch series and beyond.

That's honestly the point. 7.0 is supposed to be a fresh start of sorts in terms of tone after Shb and EW.

It's never good to just always up the ante in terms of tone and scale because it just dilutes the sense of urgency to the point of ridiculousness.

There's a good example of this happening...it's called WoW Shadowlands.

Proof that some will never be happy no matter what

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Proof that some will never be happy no matter what

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Ah, but you see, one must simply allow themselves to be manipulated by marketing and corporate PR slogans, and seek happiness through consuming products.

No, there is quite no way to be happy with one's family and friends.

Understandable, at the beginning i thought it was a trailer for another game :D

That being said i loved it and i hope this expansion's story will be simple yet well written.

Wasn't crazy about the song itself but I'm fine with a more upbeat trailer and an expansion with hopefully lower stakes. It's definitely jarring going from an "apocalypse" to tropical vacation monster hunter vibes but I prefer the latter to the former.

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Originally Posted by FrogDog

It's definitely jarring going from an "apocalypse" to tropical vacation monster hunter vibes but I prefer the latter to the former.

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But we aren't doing that when we are fighting against Golbez and Zeromus right now, who could potentially be something bigger if we fail (and clearly we'll not).

I hope we loose the fight against Zeromus.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.

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I feel like 6.1-.5 should have been the "palette cleanser". An X.0 story is something like 5-10-20x as long as any single X.Y patch MSQ. Contrast 5.0 or 6.0's story to any of the sub-patches. The only one that came anywhere close in reveals and major story was 5.3. Even all together, 6.1-.4 would maybe be equivalent to 6.0's story from the start to Zodiark...which was 3-4 levels and about 30% of it.

I sincerely hope this isn't a "beach episode filler", or I might actually take a long break from the game for the first time. I'm hoping the full trailer will show there's more going on than just that.

The time for a "palette cleanser" would have been 6.1-6.4, with 6.5 (and maybe hinted at in 6.4) setting up the next arc, not an entire X.0.

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Personally, I'm with OP on this one. It doesn't help that "nasaly boy band obligatory beach song" is quite possibly one of the genres of music I hate more than any other. Like, it makes me spontaneously angry and I have no idea why. Maybe I was a scorned teenybopper in a previous life or something, but I genuinely hate that kind of music with a passion, which is very rare for me since MOST music I enjoy, and most of the stuff I don't I can at least be neutral on. But that particular kind of music like the trailer sounds like cats fighting on a chalkboard and triggers a visceral response to me.

I'm hoping the rest of the trailer won't suck and will be better stuff. EW completely changed tone going from the SB screamo segment to the Sharl "Wings of Hope" segment, and the SB was after the HW segment with Estinian. But this one seems more like ShB. And to be fair, ShB kind of agitated me initially, but redeemed itself at the end of 5.0, but even there, the cutscene itself was epic to make up for it. This one is kinda..meh.

I did like to see WoL smile (twice). Once when asked if he was enjoying himself for once, and once when his cloak was set on fire. That was nice. The rest of it didn't really do it for me. Alise eating. G'Raha eating. Y'Shtola seeing sights could be interesting but might be meh. Estinian being a childcare worker is just going to be all kinds of annoying, calling it now. Thancred doing something as pedestrian as treasure hunting. And Urianger sipping a margarita. I dunno, the only one of those things that might be interesting to me is if Y'Shtola has some interesting research going on, but that'll just be the teaser at the end of the story that hints at some future story, I fear, rather than actually having a payoff in the main story of the expansion proper.

I'm withholding judgement until I see the complete trailer, but I kind of am not really enthused so far. Cautiously hopeful - these Devs have done a good job the last 10 years, so they deserve the balance of the benefit of doubt - but I'm iffy on how far to give that from what I've seen so far.

Considering the much lower stakes this time around, I'm really curious to see how the expansion will pan out.
Regarding the music... Tbh wasn't feeling it but eh... Wanna hear it in the complete trailer before I say anything else.
Oh but one thing I will say is I do kinda miss orchestral type stuff that we got back in Heavensward and Stormblood's trailers. Wonder if Soken will ever do one of those for an expansion.

3 thoughts from the Trailer

--Ok, we are winding down for a New more Fun and Light hearted adventure. We need it after the Serious Decade long Plot. Time to start a new one. Baby steps
--The Music is a little odd, but Japanese Music usually is. Its VERY different from western music. Cant wait to hear the rest of the OST. Usually Bangers
--I do wonder how we get here after Zeromus and the 6.X storyline. It is a VERY DRASTIC change in tone. Wonder how we get here, and how it leads to the next Arc, and what the next arc even is.

the part of song where WoL and the big mamool ja are just circling each other goes hard

The trailer BGM sounds almost like Weird Al was singing it. Is this because FFXIV is becoming a parody?

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

The trailer BGM sounds almost like Weird Al was singing it. Is this because FFXIV is becoming a parody?

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Always has been

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

We need it after the Serious Decade long Plot

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The serious decade long plot:

https://media.tenor.com/tak81oypS98A...antasy-xiv.gif

https://64.media.tumblr.com/a947ab6e...152a62b175.gif

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...Puddingway.png

yes, I am aware that the second one is from hildibrand

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Originally Posted by TheNight

Ah, but you see, one must simply allow themselves to be manipulated by marketing and corporate PR slogans, and seek happiness through consuming products.

No, there is quite no way to be happy with one's family and friends.

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Please as if happiness isn’t an incredibly complex emotion which has a multitude of potential pathways that can lead you to your destination

Your points are fair and I respect your opinion. In fact, dare I say it? I think I even agree. Something more orchestral probably would have had a deeper impact. I for sure did feel like, 'ugh its just gonna be more aimless fan service filler' and not much else. The other trailers had a strong sense of hype for whats to come next. Challenges. Crazy things happening. This one for sure felt more like it relied on people drooling and going, OMG YSHOTLAAAAAAA YASSS QUEEEN OMG GRAAHHAAA TACOOOO UWUU!!! kind of like little kids going to disneyland and going OMMGG MICKKEYYYY!!!! Yeah, I agree. Kinda characters before story which is boring because I dont care about the characters, I'm not here for them. They're background noise as far as I'm concerned. Annoying determined background noise that for some reason keep popping up front and center on my screen talking about their day as if theyre a youtube vlogger. But anyway, surely the full trailer will be a lot better. Right?????

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

The serious decade long plot:
https://djq2q4f22hoou.cloudfront.net...oads/shots.gif

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To busy getting Drunk on the Forum, probly missed that all of those Bunnies and G'raha Eating a burger happened in 1 expansion, and not the whole Decade Long Plot.
Ah well, maybe we should all go to The Last Stand and get Drunk, might be more fun.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

The trailer BGM sounds almost like Weird Al was singing it. Is this because FFXIV is becoming a parody?

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Probably Soken messing around changing the sound of his voice as he usually does on the teaser music. They may not have decided on a final vocalist for the song yet.

Mostly hoping there's suggestion of a deeper plot hook in the final trailer because fighting beastmen is just another day of the week for us.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Probably Soken messing around changing the sound of his voice as he usually does on the teaser music. They may not have decided on a final vocalist for the song yet.

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Now you just conjured Lahee covered by Soken in my brain and his voice refuses to go away.

My day is ruined. Thank you

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Mostly hoping there's suggestion of a deeper plot hook in the final trailer because fighting beastmen is just another day of the week for us.

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This is always the issue of scaling player power back down after fighting a universe ending threat

youd be surprised how many people want to go back to simply being a run of the mill adventurer

Really? (●´ω｀●)ゞ ~?
I actually like the song and trailer. They felt fun and fresh, especially after Endwalker and it's post game story are trying so hard to be and/or surpass Shadowbringer in grandeur and metaphysical stakes. (◍´͈ꈊ`͈◍)
I honestly don't think an orchestral song would have really added anything and may even have taken the trailer to a more "generic fantasy" place.

I suppose it would actually be a change of pace to have a beastman be a major antagonist because they've historically just been fodder we plow through and it's their primals who are the real threats.

Granted, there's still a 99.9% chance primals are going get involved at some point.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.

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Nupe, apparently YoshiP stated in a few interviews post fanfest, this will be the start of a new story arc and they already have this story done for at least 2 more expansions. So our filler seems to definitely be Ew's patch story as its more or less going to conclude with 6.5 leaving 7.0 to start anew.

I couldn't disagree more. It was pleasantly surprised by how upbeat and different the tone and music of the trailer was from my expectations. I can't wait to hear the full song and see the full trailer.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I suppose it would actually be a change of pace to have a beastman be a major antagonist because they've historically just been fodder we plow through and it's their primals who are the real threats.

Granted, there's still a 99.9% chance primals are going get involved at some point.

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I think there is a fair chance we will get more FF summons without the Eikon or Primal label in the future. Or not get any more summons as major MSQ fights. Diabolos is a summon and it wasn't treated like a primal.
And they don't need primals involved to have important MSQ trials anyway.

Needs something more bombastic. Something like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDWoZ3Gg29w

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

From an outsider's perspective, people are probably going to ask: "what the hell is this, what is the objective of this game?" I bet some might end up thinking that Dawntrail is a spin-off of FFXIV, much like how Mario Party was a spin-off of a regular Mario game or how DOA Beach Volleyball was a spin-off of the usual DOA fighting game.

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The trailer clearly shows some sort of adventure going on, including a fight between the MC and a two-headed creature, so I'm not sure why anyone would think this is a FFXIV spinoff. From what we've heard of 7.0, it's going to be a much more light-hearted adventure than what we've been dealing with these past few expansions. I think the music fit fine, and really set the tone of "We're finally getting to have some fun after all the shit we've had to deal with."

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Originally Posted by Edelgarde

If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure.

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But that's what it is. We need to reset expectations so that people can get excited when 10.0 comes out in 2030. It's best to make expectations low right now so that we can all have fun in 2030. That's what matters, right? Who cares if this is filler when 10.0 is going to be the best expansion? What's the alternative, Shadowlands? Remember all the bad stuff like Bobby Kotick and the Cosby Suite? Yeah, you don't want to go there. Be grateful you have FFXIV. I myself can't wait for the new expansion to come out seven years from now. We're all hyped.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.

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So true. The devs work so hard for so little, and they all deserve a rest. We can start the real story in 2025 or so, which will be the build-up to the new arc that will really start in 8.0. We can just play other games until then.

can't be bothered to read beyond the first page.

But yeah the first stream live viewing/watching clips of the in person version was definetly a bit out of crystal clear blue.

Though the more you listen to it(personally) the more the idea is tolerable.

The intro will always be alil off for me in a matter of taste.
like a not perfect but acceptable mix of electronic/surf/show. Artificial that generates a clear blue feel.

Then we got the changes in tone of the song and teaser trailer like the wind blowing/scream effects when around the mamoolja, or the Fight against the current leader gulool. which was more fitting-ish as a trailer transitional noise in the fight, rather than the part with the mamoolja with estinien.

But I guess near the end, it started to fit more as we reach the title image.

[Definetly is a jarring display for us now. makes me wonder if that expectation will change once we get to 6.5 and the Full Trailer.]

De-escalation needs to happen.

Lows are there so the highs are even higher. If everything is a high then nothing is. It's such a basic story telling technique. Like, have people who are genuinely surprised by this never read a book or watched a movie before? What are you supposed to do after literally saving the universe and killing the concept of despair? Save TWO universes? Go after Entropy next? lol

Also, it's just a trailer. We don't know where it'll lead anyway. Talk about an unpleasable crowd. The game has issues, but it's certainly not the choice of music or vibe.