Leveling Roulette used for actual leveling

As a player who frequently puts things off, I wish that there existed a roulette that was strictly for experience and was not used for tomestone grinds.

I'm currently trying to level some alt jobs and I hate that I have to choose whether to get a bonus on experience or sacrifice 100 Causality for my relic. They could just have separate roulettes for each, or drop one and disperse the tomestone differential throughout the other ones.

Edit: So I've seen a few people mention that running Aetherfont will help negate any loss in tomes by not utilizing a roulette. That's solid advice that I hadn't considered.

It’s just so that people with all combat jobs maxed might be incentivized to populated leveling dungeons as well

That being said I rarely even need to use other roulettes besides expert to get the tomes I need anyway, going all the way down to leveling is start to scratch the bottom of the barrel for tomes.

Just choose what matters more to you right now.
Then get the other an alternative way (tomestones, or experience).
You can get tomestones from almost everything so... I wouldn't worry about the tomestones.

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

As a player who frequently puts things off, I wish that there existed a roulette that was strictly for experience and was not used for tomestone grinds.

I'm currently trying to level some alt jobs and I hate that I have to choose whether to get a bonus on experience or sacrifice 100 Causality for my relic. They could just have separate roulettes for each, or drop one and disperse the tomestone differential throughout the other ones.

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While we're asking for stuff I want 999,999,999 gil every time I run the expert roulette.

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

I'm currently trying to level some alt jobs and I hate that I have to choose whether to get a bonus on experience or sacrifice 100 Causality for my relic.

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With respect, the way you're thinking it seems like it might be a factor in why this feels so negative to you. If you choose to do a roulette, you have the option of choosing between two rewards; there is no sacrifice there, as you are not losing something you had nor are owed. When you choose to eat stir-fry for lunch, you aren't sacrificing pizza.

And to be clear, I'm not saying this as a gotcha or a dunk, I'm saying it to point out that your framing of the situation is a bit skewed, with the hopes that if you recalibrate your framing that you'll have a more grounded and positive experience.

I'll also add that if you want to do a dungeon to earn EXP, you can just queue up for the highest level dungeon your job has access to; in most cases that will give just as much EXP as the Leveling Roulette would have. So feel free to get your Causality from Leveling Roulette. Or don't, because there's dozens of other ways to get Causality, too.

I swear these days 14 players just want to be given a level 90 character with a full set of relics just for logging in


It’s a MMO, MMO’s are a grind, 14 is barely a grind as it is and now you don’t want to deal with one of the games oldest tradeoff’s, if you are desperate for both causality and experience run the roulettes on a levelling job then grind aetherfont for causality; or run the roulettes on a level 90 job then spam your highest available dungeon on your levelling job

Come on there needs to be some reason to even bother logging in, they’ve already ruined the relic as it is

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

As a player who frequently puts things off, I wish that there existed a roulette that was strictly for experience and was not used for tomestone grinds.

I'm currently trying to level some alt jobs and I hate that I have to choose whether to get a bonus on experience or sacrifice 100 Causality for my relic. They could just have separate roulettes for each, or drop one and disperse the tomestone differential throughout the other ones.

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You'll almost always get more exp repeatedly running latest level-appropriate 'levelling' dungeon you have available rather than any of roulettes, except maybe MSQ roulette, which gives absurd exp. Not as interesting, but saves both daily bonuses and time in the long run.

A roulette that gives no tomestones wouldn't be a benefit, it would just have the opposite problem once you get to level cap. That's why the existing levelling roulette has alternate prizes once you no longer need the EXP.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I swear these days 14 players just want to be given a level 90 character with a full set of relics just for logging in


It’s a MMO, MMO’s are a grind, 14 is barely a grind as it is and now you don’t want to deal with one of the games oldest tradeoff’s, if you are desperate for both causality and experience run the roulettes on a levelling job then grind aetherfont for causality; or run the roulettes on a level 90 job then spam your highest available dungeon on your levelling job

Come on there needs to be some reason to even bother logging in, they’ve already ruined the relic as it is

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That's a giant leap in assumptions. I just wanted a single roulette that was purely for daily leveling, without sacrificing a single roulette for tomestones. Shift 100 tomestones among the rest of the roulettes, and that's one less than you have to grind each day.

They give tomestones so the roulette stays populated for end game players with all jobs maxed

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

You'll almost always get more exp repeatedly running latest level-appropriate 'levelling' dungeon you have available rather than any of roulettes, except maybe MSQ roulette, which gives absurd exp. Not as interesting, but saves both daily bonuses and time in the long run.

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Yea, I get that, and I do. I was just a few tomes short of my new relic and had already exhausted my roulettes for the day, one being used for leveling because the dungeon I was queuing for as DPS was taking forever. This was just more a "I wish these were two systems sometimes" comment.

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

Shift 100 tomestones among the rest of the roulettes, and that's one less than you have to grind each day.

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Roulettes do not exist to give you tomestones. Tomestone rewards exist to incentivise max-level players to run roulettes.

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

That's a giant leap in assumptions. I just wanted a single roulette that was purely for daily leveling, without sacrificing a single roulette for tomestones. Shift 100 tomestones among the rest of the roulettes, and that's one less than you have to grind each day.

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Or…….and hear me out, if you want more tomestones because you are using the roulettes to level then just run aetherfont an extra time after you complete the roulettes for the day

The roulettes are there to fill old queues, not help you get tomestones, if you want more then grind for them, it’s not like the game is stingy with them

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

That's a giant leap in assumptions. I just wanted a single roulette that was purely for daily leveling, without sacrificing a single roulette for tomestones. Shift 100 tomestones among the rest of the roulettes, and that's one less than you have to grind each day.

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gonna have to agree with the others. i have every class at level 90, and sometimes i run leveling by myself or with friends who want to level. taking that "reward" away will only make me, and other people like me not want to queue, thus making leveling roulette queue even longer.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Roulettes do not exist to give you tomestones. Tomestone rewards exist to incentivise max-level players to run roulettes.

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Why else would max-level players run roulettes, if not to "give you tomestones"?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Or…….and hear me out, if you want more tomestones because you are using the roulettes to level then just run aetherfont an extra time after you complete the roulettes for the day

The roulettes are there to fill old queues, not help you get tomestones, if you want more then grind for them, it’s not like the game is stingy with them

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I've seen running Aetherfont a few times in this thread, and that is solid advice that I had not considered.

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

I've seen running Aetherfont a few times in this thread, and that is solid advice that I had not considered.

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I’m sorry, I’m hindsight I was kinda rude especially since you seem open to genuine advice, so yeah my suggestion would be to run any of the level 90 dungeons, they all give a lot of causality even when they arent being accessed in the roulette

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

Why else would max-level players run roulettes, if not to "give you tomestones"?

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I think their point there is more the tomestones exist to get max level players to fill the roulettes, not the other way around

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

Why else would max-level players run roulettes, if not to "give you tomestones"?

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Exactly.

The rewards have been placed to get you to do the roulettes.

Taking the rewards away from a roulette and redistributing it among other roulettes "to reduce your grind" benefits you and is a detriment to the roulette. People would stop running it at max level.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Exactly.

The rewards have been placed to get you to do the roulettes.

Taking the rewards away from a roulette and redistributing it among other roulettes "to reduce your grind" benefits you and is a detriment to the roulette. People would stop running it at max level.

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Ok, yea, I get what you're saying now. The queue for something like the Leveling Roulette would never fill up (and you'd have the same problem as queuing for a dungeon as DPS), thus defeating the entire purpose. That makes total sense.

About a good 30% of my levels for my alt classes were from MSQ Roulette. Best way to level a class while on your phone for 90% of it.

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Originally Posted by NatPagle

As a player who frequently puts things off, I wish that there existed a roulette that was strictly for experience and was not used for tomestone grinds.

I'm currently trying to level some alt jobs and I hate that I have to choose whether to get a bonus on experience or sacrifice 100 Causality for my relic. They could just have separate roulettes for each, or drop one and disperse the tomestone differential throughout the other ones.

Edit: So I've seen a few people mention that running Aetherfont will help negate any loss in tomes by not utilizing a roulette. That's solid advice that I hadn't considered.

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I'm about to blow your mind, are you ready?

Queueing for the highest level dungeon you can is more experience than using leveling roulette.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Queueing for the highest level dungeon you can is more experience than using leveling roulette.

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^ this.

Other than that, the frontlines roulette doesn’t give a lot of tomes but gives good xp so it’s better used for leveling. MSQ roulette can give a lot of xp too if you get Prae but not so much if you get the trial.

If you need extra tomes, consider joining a hunt train: a full EW train of 12 A rank marks gives 240 tomes of causality and 120 Comedy+ 1200 poetics and nuts and some clusters (rng). If you catch a double train for EW and ShB, add another 120 tomes of causality + lots of poetics and nuts. A single S rank boss from EW gives you 80 tomes of causality, 30 comedy and a ShB one, 30 causality. Get a hunt cross worlds linkshell and/or join a hunt discord for the announcements.

Idk if you are not familiar with hunt trains, but just in case, you need to join a group whenever you see a hunt train announcement (PF groups always form then), move fast and make sure to hit each boss. A rank bosses can die in a few seconds if there are lots of people. It’s the party’s enmity and not dps that counts and why you see a lot of tanks and healers (I just spam range attack on tank: one hit generates enough enmity to give me full reward and the weak dps makes the boss die slower so as to allow everyone the chance to get their full reward). If you don’t join a group, you will get only a fraction of the rewards. There’s about 3-4 hunt trains per active server/day and you can switch servers to get on more trains when you are online.

Unfortunately the problem with this idea is that the tomestones are the carrot to get those who don't need the roulette for experience to run it. If they separated out a roulette that only gave experience, you would most likely see increased queue times because only those who needed it strictly for leveling would use it. What we have now works because we roulettes stay populated through having different types of rewards and thus offering different types of carrots to give players reasons to run them.

And yes, dungeons and trials and raids in and of themselves give non-experience rewards like tomestones when just manually queued into, so just review those in Duty Finder and you can run one specific one if you need to top off tomestones and your roulettes are used up.