Blue Carnival

Once again here posting as to why blue's story line is gated behind doing a boss in Carnival. All other classes and jobs do not have such silliness and considering it is a limited job as well why do that, all you do Square is upset people who just want to see the story and don't even get me started on the difficulty of some of the things in carnival for older and/or disabled people to get thru. Why not have an easy mode option to allow people who also pay subs to see a storyline that they pay for.

Limited jobs are different. Other jobs sometimes have restrictions of learning an ability by doing a quest. Many of those capstone quests (such as at 50) usually require doing an instance. Of course, the difficulty of those instances are laughable. In the case of BLU, they sort of "force" players down a path. I forgot which boss it was, but there was one of the required Masked Carnivale challenges that required Loom (aside from Golden Opportunity). I don't think there is another way to beat that boss with Loom. Therefore, in many cases we have to obtain certain spells in order to succeed. In my opinion, that makes some sense. You can't bring the job to certain content, so there wouldn't be much to it if the level 70 job quest was simplistic such as the other capstone quests for the other unrestricted jobs.

I feel the same way. I don't think the BLU storyline should have been tied in with Mask Carnival. MC has its rewards as well as the Blue Log. The storyline should have stayed separate from MC. I didn't do all the levels in the masked carnival. Haven't played it since that one level, DIRTY ROTTEN whatever the name was. Took me 29 times before I beat the boss, after that, I was so frustrated I stop doing MC & that was a couple of years ago. I really don't have any desire to do MC & if I want to proceed through the story I have to face Seigfreid which I don't plan on doing anytime soon.

The MC fights are just puzzles, and not particularly hard ones. X happens, try again with Y spell to counter X. Repeat until you clear.

If you can't do that, you can either get good or quit.

While it is quite doable as someone who has full use of the upper body and decent reaction time it does require a fair amount of dexterity many of us take for granted. I think there should be an easy mode that grants no rewards for those who just want to experience the story.

The blue fights have a similar difficulty to normal trials which everyone goes through the MSQ anyway. I really hope you give it a chance and do it for the story.

I really liked MC and it's fights. Some are easy, some are puzzles, some are harder. It's the only place in the game where you can have a real little single player challange.
The storyline of Bluemage is not really exciting stuff. It's more like 'some quests to wrap the rest in' imo.
I understand that it's hard for people with disabilties. An easier mode, without the common rewards could help, I guess.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

The blue fights have a similar difficulty to normal trials which everyone goes through the MSQ anyway. I really hope you give it a chance and do it for the story.

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The big difference of the hard stages (and what makes it harder than normal trials) is that failing to a mechanic often equals death.

Just learn the fight. Honestly I find it better than trying to learn a trial or raid fight because I just have to be responsible for me.

The fight is part of the story. The fight is part of what you're paying for. Aside from that I'm just going to repeat myself from a similar thread here.

Flying Sardine, Loom, Diamondback, Exuviation, and some sort of heal like White Wind or Pom Cure. All of that and some kind of attack is pretty much all you need for anything in this. It's really not difficult at all.

If a spell can be interrupted, spit a Flying Sardine at them.
If you get some sort of dot on you, Exuviation will almost always be able to get rid of it.
If you're hit with some sort of undispellable Heavy, you stop what you're doing and look at where you need to Loom away to.
If there's literally no way to avoid an attack, Diamondback is almost certainly what's expected of you.
If your health is dipping, heal.

would like a party option to help with a hard mission.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

The fight is part of the story. The fight is part of what you're paying for.

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There are a lot of fights that are part of the story, and part of what you are playing for, that also have a difficulty setting.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

There are a lot of fights that are part of the story, and part of what you are playing for, that also have a difficulty setting.

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What the trials and raids that you have to beat first to get the harder stuff? Because I've never heard of nor seen difficulty options for anything else in this game.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

What the trials and raids that you have to beat first to get the harder stuff? Because I've never heard of nor seen difficulty options for anything else in this game.

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They're talking about single player instances having easy mode options added to them if you fail. You know, the incredibly easy stuff that takes alot of effort to mess up.

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Originally Posted by SamsonBlacke

They're talking about single player instances having easy mode options added to them if you fail. You know, the incredibly easy stuff that takes alot of effort to mess up.

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That is news to me. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by EusisLandale

The fight is part of the story. The fight is part of what you're paying for. Aside from that I'm just going to repeat myself from a similar thread here.

Flying Sardine, Loom, Diamondback, Exuviation, and some sort of heal like White Wind or Pom Cure. All of that and some kind of attack is pretty much all you need for anything in this. It's really not difficult at all.

If a spell can be interrupted, spit a Flying Sardine at them.
If you get some sort of dot on you, Exuviation will almost always be able to get rid of it.
If you're hit with some sort of undispellable Heavy, you stop what you're doing and look at where you need to Loom away to.
If there's literally no way to avoid an attack, Diamondback is almost certainly what's expected of you.
If your health is dipping, heal.

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Another tip is to use Aetheric Mimicry and get the Healer buff before you start the fight. White Wind costs a lot mana (1500). But with the healer buff you can use Pom Cure to heal yourself.
It costs just 200 mana and has a constant heal potency of 500.
It's nearly impossible to heal up with White Wind when the life droped down very low. I did all fights with the healer buff. :3

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Another tip is to use Aetheric Mimicry and get the Healer buff before you start the fight. White Wind costs a lot mana (1500). But with the healer buff you can use Pom Cure to heal yourself.
It costs just 200 mana and has a constant heal potency of 500.
It's nearly impossible to heal up with White Wind when the life droped down very low. I did all fights with the healer buff. :3

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Oh certainly, but I simply brought that up as a way to minimize the number of required spells. And for a while that was the only heal, so some of the fights are designed with it in mind as your only option.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

Once again here posting as to why blue's story line is gated behind doing a boss in Carnival. All other classes and jobs do not have such silliness and considering it is a limited job as well why do that, all you do Square is upset people who just want to see the story

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I think part of what you need to accept is that Blue Mage is a totally different game compared to other classes. You can want it to be like other classes, but the reality is that it's not. It has special rules for leveling, learning abilities, instances, level cap, PvP, and quest progression. I understand wanting it to work more similarly to other classes, but don't let that blind you to the fact that it's thoroughly distinct from every other class in the game.

And like other game content, you can't progress the story unless you do the associated content. Eden requires raids, Eureka requires Baldesion Arsenal, and the Fisher class requires catching specific quest fish. And if you want to experience the Blue Mage story, you're going to need to farm some moves and do the Carnival.

For what it's worth, I don't like farming moves and I don't enjoy the Carnival, so I haven't progressed BLU's story past 50. I've accepted that if I want to experience the story, that requires doing the Carnival. And I've decided not to do the Carnival, so I understand that I won't get the story.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

and don't even get me started on the difficulty of some of the things in carnival for older and/or disabled people to get thru. Why not have an easy mode option

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Can you explain this a bit more? I didn't like the Carnival, but I don't recall it having anything that seemed like an ability concern. I'd be curious to hear about what aspects can cause trouble and how.

Regardless, an easy mode sounds fine; they do offer that for other solo instanced content so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable request.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

The blue fights have a similar difficulty to normal trials which everyone goes through the MSQ anyway. I really hope you give it a chance and do it for the story.

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The normal trials have 7 other players in the group. It's easy for friends to help other friends get through them as needed so they can continue MSQ.

Masked Carnival is solo. The only way to get any needed help is to account share, which is against ToS. That creates a hard roadblock.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Can you explain this a bit more? I didn't like the Carnival, but I don't recall it having anything that seemed like an ability concern. I'd be curious to hear about what aspects can cause trouble and how.

Regardless, an easy mode sounds fine; they do offer that for other solo instanced content so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable request.

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I'm not the person you quoted but I can answer from my point of view. I'm older now... older than the typical gamer I'd imagine. My reaction speed, manual dexterity, and steadiness of my hands aren't what they were 30 years ago. I still haven't cleared all the stages of the carnival yet since my brain and hands have a hard time keeping up at times. Some of us older folk just aren't as quick as we were in our 20's & 30's. It happens to all of us eventually :(

Oh my goodness, you people DO NOT TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME.

I love actually being challenged and having to put some work into a job questline for once. This is the same exact feedback that'll encourage SE to axe the only lasting continued job storyline left in this game.

Quit crying, learn the fight and mechanics and then be rewarded with a finished storyline.

Go get some of the newer spells. Makes older fights way easier.

It kind of feels like this 'silliness' is because you can't get past a fight.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Oh my goodness, you people DO NOT TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME.

I love actually being challenged and having to put some work into a job questline for once. This is the same exact feedback that'll encourage SE to axe the only lasting continued job storyline left in this game.

Quit crying, learn the fight and mechanics and then be rewarded with a finished storyline.

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Please take this garbage away from me.

There's challenge and then there's MC which is nothing more than a conga line of OHKOs that make you start all over again because Yoshi P has no concept of what a check point is. >_<

Quit fanboying and stop accepting low rent content.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Please take this garbage away from me.

There's challenge and then there's MC which is nothing more than a conga line of OHKOs that make you start all over again because Yoshi P has no concept of what a check point is. >_<

Quit fanboying and stop accepting low rent content.

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Skill issue.

Just take BLU as puzzle content. Isn't that what it is? Use it's silly tools, spells, to figure out puzzle.

Seems cool to me, much fun, very silly :)

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

Just take BLU as puzzle content. Isn't that what it is? Use it's silly tools, spells, to figure out puzzle.

Seems cool to me, much fun, very silly :)

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Except when it isn't fun, like at MC.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

I'm not the person you quoted but I can answer from my point of view. I'm older now... older than the typical gamer I'd imagine. My reaction speed, manual dexterity, and steadiness of my hands aren't what they were 30 years ago. I still haven't cleared all the stages of the carnival yet since my brain and hands have a hard time keeping up at times. Some of us older folk just aren't as quick as we were in our 20's & 30's. It happens to all of us eventually :(

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Oh, to be clear, I'm fully aware of this! I'm middle-aged and have been increasingly affected by arthritis for a few years now. I was just wondering what the specific issues with the Carnival are. With the help of macros and customizing my UI and crosshotbars, I don't typically have problems that prevent me personally from overcoming the kinds of content I want to engage in. So I'm interested in learning what these obstacles are for two reasons: because my own experiences navigating ability issues might help work towards a solution, and regardless it helps me to better understand the challenges that people with differing ability face.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

The MC fights are just puzzles, and not particularly hard ones. X happens, try again with Y spell to counter X. Repeat until you clear.

If you can't do that, you can either get good or quit.

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I respectfully disagree!

The issue isn't getting good neither is it quitting. I always felt like the OP is stating that the MC should have never been tied in with the BLU Mage's storyline. MC is content & is the solo counterpart to the Blu Log which is content for Blu Mage parties. After 29 attempts & finally beat the level 25 act...DIRTY ROTTEN ?? which had to be done to progress through the story. All that did was made me frustrated & basically, stop MC.
MC & the Blu Log are good if you want achievements, rewards, allied seals, mounts, & glowy BLU weapons with higher stats but they should not be tied to the storyline.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

Once again here posting as to why blue's story line is gated behind doing a boss in Carnival. All other classes and jobs do not have such silliness and considering it is a limited job as well why do that, all you do Square is upset people who just want to see the story and don't even get me started on the difficulty of some of the things in carnival for older and/or disabled people to get thru. Why not have an easy mode option to allow people who also pay subs to see a storyline that they pay for.

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We don't have to dumb down games cause disabled people exist. And this comes from me, being a disabled person myself. I personally would love to have a Ultimate weapon, especially the new Omega ones. But i literally can't focus for that long without having physical problems. But you don't see me screaming for SE to include Ultimate weapons in the treasure trove or to make a easy mode for those fights. I am happy this kind of content exists for the players who enjoy it and i am happy to grind things and do stuff i know i am comfortable with.

If you have troubles with certain things, try harder or don't do it. Or play easier games that fit your profile more. It's nice when the devs keep other groups of people in mind but you can't expect them to dumb down the entire game which negates the challenge and reward system.

Also blue isn't like other jobs. That argument doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Please take this garbage away from me.

There's challenge and then there's MC which is nothing more than a conga line of OHKOs that make you start all over again because Yoshi P has no concept of what a check point is. >_<

Quit fanboying and stop accepting low rent content.

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Others have managed to clear MC no problem but all of a sudden we need to pay attention to the brain dead few who cry out for not being able to do it because they cant bum rush through it? Get out of here with that logic.

The only low rent here is OP's and your's posts about MC. This is exactly why the current state of the game is just so streamlined and braindead with content, because of people having this line of thinking about parts of the game.

The latest fight was easier than the 2 before, took literally like 2 tries.

If you are still somehow having issues just watch any of the video guides, straight up shows how to solve the fights.

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Originally Posted by Nighthawky2010

I respectfully disagree!

The issue isn't getting good neither is it quitting. I always felt like the OP is stating that the MC should have never been tied in with the BLU Mage's storyline. MC is content & is the solo counterpart to the Blu Log which is content for Blu Mage parties. After 29 attempts & finally beat the level 25 act...DIRTY ROTTEN ?? which had to be done to progress through the story. All that did was made me frustrated & basically, stop MC.
MC & the Blu Log are good if you want achievements, rewards, allied seals, mounts, & glowy BLU weapons with higher stats but they should not be tied to the storyline.

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Im sorry but how did you get stuck on Azulmagia? I can kind of understand taking you a few tries if you were trying to go for the extra achievement but the guy is so easy to beat. I disagree with this take. Questlines should be somewhat challenging. Obviously not all of them just be designed with difficulty in mind, but considering how super easy the solo content in this game is, I appreciate the small bits of challenge they sprinkle in to incentivize you to complete for the sake of story. Its really no wonder why much of the rewards in this game feel like they're just given to you. Because people complain, complain and complain and ruin whatever meaningful challenge this game had.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Im sorry but how did you get stuck on Azulmagia? I can kind of understand taking you a few tries if you were trying to go for the extra achievement but the guy is so easy to beat. I disagree with this take. Questlines should be somewhat challenging. Obviously not all of them just be designed with difficulty in mind, but considering how super easy the solo content in this game is, I appreciate the small bits of challenge they sprinkle in to incentivize you to complete for the sake of story. Its really no wonder why much of the rewards in this game feel like they're just given to you. Because people complain, complain and complain and ruin whatever meaningful challenge this game had.

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Well, I had an issue of beating the level 25 boss, even after looking at videos & getting the right spells. The main point I was taking is that it should not be tied to the storyline. I have no issues with MC or the BLU Log but they are content for BLU Mage, it should not be tied in with the storyline. Maybe MC is just boring to me. But SE could have put instances in the BLU storyline they did with this last Hildebrand content. I really enjoyed it. Some of the solo instances for job quests are challenging & I enjoy them. MC is totally separate from content like BLU Log is & should have been treated as such. Nothing to do with complaining just voicing my opinion as a member of this community.

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

Once again here posting as to why blue's story line is gated behind doing a boss in Carnival. All other classes and jobs do not have such silliness and considering it is a limited job as well why do that, all you do Square is upset people who just want to see the story

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We have this instead of instanced battles.
Dragoon, for example, has an instanced battle in its level 50 quest, level 60 quest, and level 70 quest. The Melee DPS role quests have an instanced battle for level 80 and 90.

You clearly aren't actually paying attention to the story.
Level 50? Martyn's injured so now you, as Azuro the Second, need to beat up Azulmagia. Why? Because Whastrach's financial backer is making medicine for Martyn and the Whalakee. Beat up Azulmagia so she knows to trust you.
Level 60? Martyn wants to beat the gladiator because he summoned voidsent. But he blew himself up and the gladiator didn't lose. So you're backup. Now beat him up so that your financial backer CAN STILL OWN THE DAMN CARNIVALE
Level 70? Martyn was humiliated by someone performing Blue Magic without a license. So now you're rematching them instead of Martyn... with the ownership rights to the Carnivale on the line. Again.
Level 80? Martyn was bribed by Godbert Fucking Manderville and Royse is forcing you to fight him or they won't get the money.

maybe you should start reading books, if you want to experience stories that dont challenge you in any way possible

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Originally Posted by OogaShaka

Once again here posting as to why blue's story line is gated behind doing a boss in Carnival. All other classes and jobs do not have such silliness and considering it is a limited job as well why do that, all you do Square is upset people who just want to see the story and don't even get me started on the difficulty of some of the things in carnival for older and/or disabled people to get thru. Why not have an easy mode option to allow people who also pay subs to see a storyline that they pay for.

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I mean theoretically this is a valid concern but it's also BLU storyline. It's like saying why is Harvard gated behind legacy admissions I want to smell the flowers in the courtyard at the biological annex.

Also shocking to see people actually praise the BLU storyline lmfao. I promise you you lose nothing not seeing the story (the actual weapon glam is way more valuable lol) it's like a story for 9-year-olds with the dumbest anime tropes that they reused for 8 years. It's quite sad because if I didn't care about lore at all I would completely skip everything but you can't bc you never know where lore drops are. And this story not only did not have any lore, it actually made BLU even more of a joke class instead of learning something new about New World culture.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

And this comes from me, being a disabled person myself.

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Really shows what kind of people the reply guys are lol