Healer solo experience in VC dungeon

Idk if its just me but it seem when I run sage its a walk in the park and I take almost lil to no hurt but some how if I try whm/sch/ast feels like a struggle mess anyone else feel so? Just curious. My experiences are

AST=personal dps is way low as usual so takes eternity to finish things
WHM= High damage but poor to no way to restore mp efficiently
SCH=the pre casting of shields=fairy is slower to heal vs kardia proc which is faster self healing for myself, ofc its kit just I do not see how strong it is imo always a problem healer to me
Sage=I can toss out alot of E diag mix with holos/kera/taro giving me stupid amounts of migi(by stupid I mean busted), I have panima/hani/physis all this passive instant regens/migitations and constant mp restore its like it barely feels like a challenge as sage. Dosis 330pot and pleghma 3 600pot vs the other 3 healers seems another huge difference idk though if I can say this surpass solace of whm or honestly still ends up beating out its damage being you gotta be burning 3 lilly before able to use it.

The regular Nanamo dungeon?

I farmed my last routes up on WHM, the dungeon dot absolutely demolishes trash packs on a solo queue. MP regen was never really a concern for me although I do have a fair bit of piety, I just threw regen on myself, maintained dia/dungeon dot and kept assize/lilies on cooldown. Barely needed to pay attention tbh.

Assuming story, scholar wasn’t particularly involved, Selene was more than enough to keep me alive as long as I didn’t stand in the bad and honestly even when I did it wasn’t a one shot. Zero piety and less than abyssos bis when I last visited - ballpark 615 maybe. I don’t think the tank action is strictly necessary, I vaguely remember eating a tb without it and being fine - there was shielding and/or probably soil involved for that though.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

The regular Nanamo dungeon?

I farmed my last routes up on WHM, the dungeon dot absolutely demolishes trash packs on a solo queue. MP regen was never really a concern for me although I do have a fair bit of piety, I just threw regen on myself, maintained dia/dungeon dot and kept assize/lilies on cooldown. Barely needed to pay attention tbh.

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Ah yes sorry for specifying the nanamo ones yes, I just got one more thing to unlike to get the savages or whatever had to find a darn guide since I kinda lost which paths I have done haha. I guess yeah piety would be of use on whm, its a stat I never ever had meld even during stormblood days so I guess it would make up a difference.

I vaguely remember of barely needing any sort of shield, heals, or mits from our own kits with any of 4 healers when soloing because Variant Spirit Dart that melts trash pulls & helps with boss dps, and Variant Rampart that trivializes a lot incoming damages with ridiculously low cooldown. Heals are mostly coincidental from things like Assize, Star, Pneuma, or from weaving one or two of many of our overabundant free healing tool.

I remember trying this one solo as an AST and being bored more than anything else because your DPS is so low that it does take quite a bit of time to take anything out. Also since its so low using the cards on yourself doesn't do enough to make any real kind of difference since it's just a % increase in damage output, which when added to an already low DPS gives it no kind of increase that would really change anything.

In as many healer threads as I’ve seen you in I still struggle to see how you can see how SCH’s healing is weak, it’s the strongest healer of the 4 and it isn’t particularly close

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

In as many healer threads as I’ve seen you in I still struggle to see how you can see how SCH’s healing is weak, it’s the strongest healer of the 4 and it isn’t particularly close

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I did say it healing its weak yes I misworded how I said it on the post but, its more that its the most annoying and clunky healer to play where with whm/sage/ast feels more fluid and straight forward. Its biggest weakness to me is not only its pet locks out some of it kits it seem to lack mobility like having to pre casting shields instead of having the ability to use em on the move which I always liked better on noct ast and sage even if their weaker, but holos/haima/panihma counters the weak E prog, E diag is powerful anyways, E prog is my only grip with sage which I think needs a tune up. I can manage the busy style of an ast card and play far better than the clunky sch pet management that is why I always have a gripe on sch. Everyone has a certain class they just do not play well or fits their style. I love blm and wanna learn it but I rather rdm cause its much more fluid in flow.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

I did say it healing its weak yes I misworded how I said it on the post but, its more that its the most annoying and clunky healer to play where with whm/sage/ast feels more fluid and straight forward. Its biggest weakness to me is not only its pet locks out some of it kits it seem to lack mobility like having to pre casting shields instead of having the ability to use em on the move which I always liked better on noct ast and sage even if their weaker, but holos/haima/panihma counters the weak E prog, E diag is powerful anyways, E prog is my only grip with sage which I think needs a tune up. I can manage the busy style of an ast card and play far better than the clunky sch pet management that is why I always have a gripe on sch. Everyone has a certain class they just do not play well or fits their style. I love blm and wanna learn it but I rather rdm cause its much more fluid in flow.

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I’ll give you if you are used to SGE SCH can feel clunky but the rest is more just a facet of SCH being such an old job that’s never really had a skill wipe and reset

Skills like dissipation still exist because back when it was released skills came with trade offs, you didn’t just every skill only has upsides and it leads to a lot of SCH’s unique gameplay because it’s one of the few classes that still maintains a skill with clear downsides as one of its capstone skills

As for movement SGE is more mobile because of eukrasia but that’s meant to counter SCH’s totem healing, sacred soil and all of the fairy skills can be placed and heal far away from the SCH’s position which is one of the most useful skills in savage and part of what makes SCH so strong in savage (aside from also dominating SGE in shield strength and Judy doing more damage)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’ll give you if you are used to SGE SCH can feel clunky but the rest is more just a facet of SCH being such an old job that’s never really had a skill wipe and reset

Skills like dissipation still exist because back when it was released skills came with trade offs, you didn’t just every skill only has upsides and it leads to a lot of SCH’s unique gameplay because it’s one of the few classes that still maintains a skill with clear downsides as one of its capstone skills

As for movement SGE is more mobile because of eukrasia but that’s meant to counter SCH’s totem healing, sacred soil and all of the fairy skills can be placed and heal far away from the SCH’s position which is one of the most useful skills in savage and part of what makes SCH so strong in savage (aside from also dominating SGE in shield strength and Judy doing more damage)

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Not sure if it was a error, but whats judy? Also even ast that is to be the hardest healer feels was easier to handle then sch. I played stormblood ast which many thought was overwhelming when the cards each had different effect and you have the potency card increase/double duration/aoe aka royal road to use/time dilation and still all that having to manage all that + combust 1 and 2 still felt easier than sch.

Problem with healers in VC dungeons is the same as anything else.

1 button spam is freaking boring.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

In as many healer threads as I’ve seen you in I still struggle to see how you can see how SCH’s healing is weak, it’s the strongest healer of the 4 and it isn’t particularly close

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It's strong but it's clunky. Has to do twice the button presses as Sage for the same results due to Sage's abilities having 2 in 1 capability (heal + utility)

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Problem with healers in VC dungeons is the same as anything else.

1 button spam is freaking boring.



It's strong but it's clunky. Has to do twice the button presses as Sage for the same results due to Sage's abilities having 2 in 1 capability (heal + utility)

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Except SGE doesn’t have SCH’s utility, larger shields, totem healing, combat spring and a damage buff go a long way

Agree it’s clunky though

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Except SGE doesn’t have SCH’s utility, larger shields, totem healing, combat spring and a damage buff go a long way

Agree it’s clunky though

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Well people complain on content not hard enough so why not make sage shields be weaker to make it feel even if its just 5% harder, Idk am never in a situation where healing is a problem overall on any healer. I am not sure what you mean about the term totem healing/Judy. Physis 2 kerachole and ixochole/holo is all sage need to easily top up a party. Even pneuma imo even though its good I barely have any reason to use it unless I feel bored and wanna press another button.

Other than bigger shields and chain strat , that dont make sch any more better than the 3 healers, they all can heal equally fine and sch 5% difference compared to the other healers is not even that serious, and at the end of the day its still the less played healer. You know if sage shields was on par with sch or zoe was change to make sure e dig was crit and pepis let you spread E diag, then no one would touch sch? I am quite sure that is the reason for the weaker shields especially because sage has instant shield where as sch has to precast.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

Well people complain on content not hard enough so why not make sage shields be weaker to make it feel even if its just 5% harder, Idk am never in a situation where healing is a problem overall on any healer. I am not sure what you mean about the term totem healing/Judy. Physis 2 kerachole and ixochole/holo is all sage need to easily top up a party. Even pneuma imo even though its good I barely have any reason to use it unless I feel bored and wanna press another button.

Other than bigger shields and chain strat , that dont make sch any more better than the 3 healers, they all can heal equally fine and sch 5% difference compared to the other healers is not even that serious, and at the end of the day its still the less played healer. You know if sage shields was on par with sch or zoe was change to make sure e dig was crit and pepis let you spread E diag, then no one would touch sch? I am quite sure that is the reason for the weaker shields especially because sage has instant shield where as sch has to precast.

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Totem healing is the fact that SCH can cast heals from the fairy’s location, it’s very important during savage because when the party spreads out you can leave the fairy in the centre, meanwhile everything SGE has casts from itself, so you can easily miss people, this is a weakness of say kerachole while soil can be placed anywhere, meanwhile soil has to be stood in while kerachole is a buff

Any discussion I make about balance of the healers is basically exclusively savage focused, a cure 1 spammer can clear expert content so balance discussion on that front is pointless, in savage a powerful buff (chain), combat sprint, totem healing and the larger shields go a long way, SCH being less played doesn’t change its balance, besides 3.0 and like half of 5.1 AST has always been stronger than WHM but WHM is still far more played than it

And if any of those changes were made that would just make it more like SCH, you are basically saying SCH’s skills are better but it’s more clunky, which I’ve already agreed with you on

SGE’s shields were already known to be weaker because they are instacast, that’s an advantage of SGE, It’s more mobile than SCH, I’m not trying to downplay SGE, I main both shield healers, SCH just pulls ahead on quite a few fronts in savage