So, Queuesyncers.

Several People told me there is some third party software involved, i think they just queue at the same time. I do not know what the truth here is. To the point though:

A lot of times i go into Frontlines with my Wife we get enemies or Allies with a Full Group of 8 or 7 in one alliance. Usually the same names. Groups are Resticted to 4 afaik.

Its usually one or two DRK's with a bunch of Dragoons just destroying both the other Teams since they have a full group with apparent Voicechat communication.

Now i do not have a Problem with people playing in a party with friends. What i do have a Problem with is bypassing the system and the rules in place by using third party software or any other means to end up with a big advantage over everybody else.

I know that i instantly have to use my shield when those DRK's are pulling me in since i know that 3 Dragoons will come down at the same time after, but most other players are simply dying every damn time wich usually results in 2 Teams nearly having no points while the Team with the Full Party gets an easy Win, 25 kills + each.

Sadly my Wife and i usually end up in the opposite Team to those full parties. She really loved to do PvP with me, its our go to thing in FF currently, sadly shes losing all heart to play Frontlines since we get nearly no wins anymore because of those full parties.

She is probably not the only one feeling like this and i wish to suggest reinstating 8 man Parties so everybody can build a full team and dont just get farmed for the entire Time.

That or an enforcement of the 4 player party Rules.

Thanks for reading and have a good day.

Hard to say for sure, but I have felt at times in some matches that some groups of people larger than 4 are syncing up a little too well indeed.

It could be that it's a group of four and maybe a drk in it is using macros when they go to lb into the enemy, so can't just point fingers around afaik.

On light we are usually the only premade nowadays, every now and then we see another one showing up but I can tell you that we are not queue syncing with any other premade. Lot of times there are just people who follow up on our DRK pulls (I usually mark myself or whoever is the DRK) and it probably just feels that way.

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Originally Posted by Prisma_xd

On light we are usually the only premade nowadays, every now and then we see another one showing up but I can tell you that we are not queue syncing with any other premade. Lot of times there are just people who follow up on our DRK pulls (I usually mark myself or whoever is the DRK) and it probably just feels that way.

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Its usually a Full Party and it is very obvious that those are no random follow ups :)
The Dragoons drop right at the Time the DRK's pull wich means they go into the air prior to the pull. That usually just happens with communication :)

its not though is it my guy

people are just aware that theres a drk in their party, who is potentially even calling his salted earth. that alone is enough coordination.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Several People told me there is some third party software involved, i think they just queue at the same time. I do not know what the truth here is. To the point though:

A lot of times i go into Frontlines with my Wife we get enemies or Allies with a Full Group of 8 or 7 in one alliance. Usually the same names. Groups are Resticted to 4 afaik.

Its usually one or two DRK's with a bunch of Dragoons just destroying both the other Teams since they have a full group with apparent Voicechat communication.

Now i do not have a Problem with people playing in a party with friends. What i do have a Problem with is bypassing the system and the rules in place by using third party software or any other means to end up with a big advantage over everybody else.

I know that i instantly have to use my shield when those DRK's are pulling me in since i know that 3 Dragoons will come down at the same time after, but most other players are simply dying every damn time wich usually results in 2 Teams nearly having no points while the Team with the Full Party gets an easy Win, 25 kills + each.

Sadly my Wife and i usually end up in the opposite Team to those full parties. She really loved to do PvP with me, its our go to thing in FF currently, sadly shes losing all heart to play Frontlines since we get nearly no wins anymore because of those full parties.

She is probably not the only one feeling like this and i wish to suggest reinstating 8 man Parties so everybody can build a full team and dont just get farmed for the entire Time.

That or an enforcement of the 4 player party Rules.

Thanks for reading and have a good day.

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people quesync for ranked too lol
thats how the wintrading stuff is done.

Queuesyncing is only an issue because SE enforces a limit on how many people you can bring into games. I do think they should just open up the amount of people you can queue with in PvP modes, especially CC cuz not being able to play that mode casually with one friend unless you want to PF/discord LFG for 8 other people just to play a game together. It's funny cuz I know SE doesn't actively monitor that behavior at all, especially for ranked CC. I don't know how effective it is for people to report queuesyncers but I would rather them just open the game up more to queue with more people in all modes rather than just inhibit it more.

Opening the amount of people in premades in FLs (not CC) would go back to the cancer it used to be before those restrictions, and they're here for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Opening the amount of people in premades in FLs (not CC) would go back to the cancer it used to be before those restrictions, and they're here for a reason.

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But then they need to be enforced. Enforcing their own rules has sadly always been a weakpoint on SE's side though. Except for insult reports ofc. Those get processed pretty quick.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

But then they need to be enforced. Enforcing their own rules has sadly always been a weakpoint on SE's side though. Except for insult reports ofc. Those get processed pretty quick.

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because thats really easy to prove.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

But then they need to be enforced. Enforcing their own rules has sadly always been a weakpoint on SE's side though. Except for insult reports ofc. Those get processed pretty quick.

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Well I have no idea how people are going around those restrictions if that's even a thing, but that sounds serious hacking/cheating. Like you're not just teleporting, you're messing with what, the queue and matchmaker? Is that even possible?

Either way I'm really not a fan of opening a "cheat" to everybody and make it legal to even the odds, i'd rather fix the problem...

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Originally Posted by Valence

Well I have no idea how people are going around those restrictions if that's even a thing, but that sounds serious hacking/cheating. Like you're not just teleporting, you're messing with what, the queue and matchmaker? Is that even possible?

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yes it is very possible, i have seen people do it. :l problem is that its really hard to prove.

Does language still affect PvP ques?

Not exactly much you can do about players pressing the queue button at the same time.
Increasing premade party size to 8 would just make the problem worse,4 coordinated players can already wreak a lot of havoc.
Saying that they "they always get on the same team" seems like toupee fallacy, you only notice it when its bad.
You probably also don't even notice when they are on your own team and being the reason you are rolling over everyone.

Lately i encountered 1drk 3ast group from premade at dicscord vc at frontline roulette and they are killing over 100 so their group are winning without taking nodes but just kill points.
So we need to fight against that group
Instead of doing mech of each stage that kinda ……off?
Like you need to stop them all fight instead of doing frontline node mech.

What i can suggest is make 2 roulettes ,
1:not available to queue with pt
2:need to team up light party to queue up

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Originally Posted by Mihunr

What i can suggest is make 2 roulettes ,
1:not available to queue with pt
2:need to team up light party to queue up

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They used to have that for Feast, and still do with Mahjong(lol). The main issue with that is you split the playerbase into two seperate queues that have there own individual timers which can cause some serious issues. Not to mention taking into account the size of each game so trying to find enough people with that specific criteria would be really bad.

I not focused on lose or win for pre made group there
Thing i feel kinda boring is every day different frontline stage but if you see that particular pre made group on that match you need to fight against them all fight than taking nodes.

So I feel no point stage changes every day if need to do same things everyday , fight against particular same group instead of 3GC team.


if there are any better methods that not cause of issues will be nice….
Or simply just make it unavailable to use with party like a Crystal conflict .

Just had the Same group of 7 people again. They win, second place has 300 points and last place has 0 :D

It isnt fun really. Makes you wanna stop for the day.

Lately there have been a lot of premade parties on casual CC on light. In the mornings it's almost impossible to not land in to the same match as them. I really hope that SE starts forcing their own rules. Being able to communicate with your party makes such a huge difference. Also there are even discords organizing queue syncing in all datacenters and for way bigger premades than just 4. Is it as bad in ranked too on light and do other datacenters have this problem outside frontlines?

Saying, “Okay now go.” over an external voice chat program is not an exploit.

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Is it as bad in ranked too on light and do other datacenters have this problem outside frontlines?

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Light ranked seems relatively okay...You will get a person with a micro damage in your team every now and again and I would assume they are someone who had whatever reason to pull their punches. Sometimes you will get hard core steamrolled or the other way round and it's a bit suspicious but overall there are enough regulars who mostly have an interest in winning. I'm finishing in plat so I couldn't tell you what diamond or crystal tiers are like for sure but the top is mostly regulars, every season, so those folks probably know each other well enough. The alleged wintraders from previous seasons are still up top so that's something to keep in mind. The queue can be slow and that's probably the biggest problem in ranked cc at the moment. Evening times are probably best. I would add that the vast majority of ranked players I came accross were really good fun to play with and because there aren't all that many people climbing you get a chance to get used to playing with and against the same people without comms ever being involved.

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

Saying, “Okay now go.” over an external voice chat program is not an exploit.

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Yes using discord or other voice chat program is not exploit. It does give an advantage and in a pvp enviroment and with cc's limited communication options. Even without using voice chat playing with the same people you will learn their playstyles and when other team is randomly matched from people who are strangers to each other and other team has members who have played together before makes a difference.

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Originally Posted by Bluish

Light ranked seems relatively okay...You will get a person with a micro damage in your team every now and again and I would assume they are someone who had whatever reason to pull their punches. Sometimes you will get hard core steamrolled or the other way round and it's a bit suspicious but overall there are enough regulars who mostly have an interest in winning. I'm finishing in plat so I couldn't tell you what diamond or crystal tiers are like for sure but the top is mostly regulars, every season, so those folks probably know each other well enough. The alleged wintraders from previous seasons are still up top so that's something to keep in mind. The queue can be slow and that's probably the biggest problem in ranked cc at the moment. Evening times are probably best. I would add that the vast majority of ranked players I came accross were really good fun to play with and because there aren't all that many people climbing you get a chance to get used to playing with and against the same people without comms ever being involved.

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Thanks, maybe I should give it a try, I'm ok with that sometimes people get carried (and I might get too) when you match random people together and that is just part of solo pvp experiece also I don't mind loosing since it's impossible to win every pvp match (at least for me with my current skills). I was just worried if ranked would also be filled with premade parties since if I could ever be plat or crystal skill level premade with same skill obivously will do better.

I'd be curious to see recordings of those claims, if you have some, and what makes you say that this surely must be premades, and how they manage to always land on the same team.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'd be curious to see recordings of those claims, if you have some, and what makes you say that this surely must be premades, and how they manage to always land on the same team.

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I might be sometimes wrong but probabilities how many times can 5 randoms land in to same team, pf reqruitments ingame and talking about queue syncing on PvP discord and reqruitments on there makes me think that queue syncing is happening. How much is more of a question.

Well people can que up sync just using the real life time or Eorzea time. This happen multiple times before and a few on twitch channel showing it off for cc and a few FL with using vc to organized possible wins.

How do they ensure they all end up in the same team? I'm genuinely curious.

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How do they ensure they all end up in the same team? I'm genuinely curious.

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It seems like the queue system doesn't do a good, or any, job to randomize filling out teams, but rather fills them in order of who entered the match queue. i.e. it fills one team to full first with who is at the front of the queue, then goes on to the next team to fill, then the next. If 5 people queue for CC at the exact same time, they're more likely to get dumped into the same team together. Similarly for FL, if two 4 man teams queue up at the exact same time, the queue system seems to prefer to shove those two teams together in the same alliance, if not the same full party even.

There also appears to be some potential further manipulation of the queue going on, but I don't entirely understand how or why it works. More often than not if I end up in an FL match against a blatantly obvious full party premade on an opposing team, there's also a very high chance that the team I ended up on started the match short by several players. This could be related to some method of manipulating the queue, by having several people queue for frontlines to get a match to pop, but then not actually accepting the match. Maybe the dropped players somehow persuades the queue into matching queue syncers together on the same team, I'm not sure. It's entirely possible it's coincidence, or maybe actually more proof of the prior issue of the way the queue system fills out teams. It just seems too happen together too often not to notice a pattern.

I have been wondering lately is queue syncing allowed? Often I see advertisements for groups doing that in party finder and discords but I don't wan't to risk my account or break the rules and I have no idea if queue syncing is allowed. If I could join them that would kinda solve my issues but until I'm sure I can't take the chance. This is why I really wish that SE would talk to us about rules more openly so that I would know what is allowed and what is not.

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Originally Posted by Xylira

It seems like the queue system doesn't do a good, or any, job to randomize filling out teams, but rather fills them in order of who entered the match queue. i.e. it fills one team to full first with who is at the front of the queue, then goes on to the next team to fill, then the next. If 5 people queue for CC at the exact same time, they're more likely to get dumped into the same team together. Similarly for FL, if two 4 man teams queue up at the exact same time, the queue system seems to prefer to shove those two teams together in the same alliance, if not the same full party even.

There also appears to be some potential further manipulation of the queue going on, but I don't entirely understand how or why it works. More often than not if I end up in an FL match against a blatantly obvious full party premade on an opposing team, there's also a very high chance that the team I ended up on started the match short by several players. This could be related to some method of manipulating the queue, by having several people queue for frontlines to get a match to pop, but then not actually accepting the match. Maybe the dropped players somehow persuades the queue into matching queue syncers together on the same team, I'm not sure. It's entirely possible it's coincidence, or maybe actually more proof of the prior issue of the way the queue system fills out teams. It just seems too happen together too often not to notice a pattern.

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In discord they say they use language settings too. Like everyone chooses japan in eu or na servers. Based on what I have read from discord it's not 100% chance that they all land in to same team but good enough chance that it's worth organizing discord events around that. I have never done it sicne I don't know if it's allowed but people definately do it. It works better when there are less people in queue I think, like in eu most queue syncing happens around lunch time and few hours from that. A part of me really wan'ts to join them since I used to always play cc around that time but I'm hoping that SE would clarify their rules about queue syncing at some point.