Questions Regarding Synthesis/Gathering Stats

I haven't had much like finding a really solid source that explains how basic stats like:

DEX/STR/VIT/MND/INT/PIE affect crafting/gathering

and also stats like control/perception/magic as opposed to regular craftsmanship etc.

If someone could guide be on how this works I'd appreciate it!

Bonus Question:
What is the max amount of materia you can meld to single piece? I've seen quad meld O.O

1. How do the base stats affect crafting and gathering?
A: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...358#post415358

DoH stats
Base attributes for Disciples of the Hand will increase the resulting product's quality.
• Carpenter
- Main Hand: VIT / Off Hand: DEX
• Blacksmith
- Main Hand: STR / Off Hand: MND
• Armorer
- Main Hand: VIT / Off Hand: STR
• Goldsmith
- Main Hand: DEX / Off Hand: INT
• Leatherworker
- Main Hand: VIT / Off Hand: INT
• Weaver
- Main Hand: DEX / Off Hand: MND
• Alchemist
- Main Hand: INT / Off Hand: PIE
• Culinarian
- Main Hand: MND / Off Hand: PIE

DoL stats
STR: During the logging approach phase, it will be easier to determine the proper angle for each item.
VIT: During the mining approach phase, it will be easier to determine the proper force needed for each item.
DEX: During the fishing approach phase, it will be easier to determine the proper rod movement for each item.
INT: Number of items acquired by botanists will be increased.
MND: Number of items acquired by miners will be increased.
PIE: Number of items acquired by fishers will be increased.
Gathering: Lessens depletion of the Remainder gauge when using a main hand tool, and increases the chance of gathering. items when using an off hand tool.
Output: Increases the number of gathers or hooked fish.
Perception: Makes it easier to obtain high quality items.

2. What are these Control/Perception/Craft/M.Craft stats?
A: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...f271d7a0a84d5f

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Among recipes in the game, there are those for which the rate of progress and chance of success are increased by higher Craftsmanship, and those for which they are determined by Magic Craftsmanship. Control helps to reduce the occurrence of aetherial sparking (see below), and exerts its influence over both types of recipes just mentioned.

All recipes, however, have set attribute requirements. Attempting a recipe with attributes below those required will result in lessened progress and quality, even for successful actions.

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It was also recently added that Control will help prevent/stabilize elemental instabilities.

Perception is for DoL, so I'm not sure why you're lumping it with DoH stats. Perception will do you no good while crafting.


3. What is the maximum amount of materia you can meld onto a single piece?
Five


If those answers lead to more questions, feel free to ask.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

1. How do the base stats affect crafting and gathering?
A: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...358#post415358

DoH stats
Base attributes for Disciples of the Hand will increase the resulting product's quality.
• Carpenter
- Main Hand: VIT / Off Hand: DEX
• Blacksmith
- Main Hand: STR / Off Hand: MND
• Armorer
- Main Hand: VIT / Off Hand: STR
• Goldsmith
- Main Hand: DEX / Off Hand: INT
• Leatherworker
- Main Hand: VIT / Off Hand: INT
• Weaver
- Main Hand: DEX / Off Hand: MND
• Alchemist
- Main Hand: INT / Off Hand: PIE
• Culinarian
- Main Hand: MND / Off Hand: PIE

DoL stats
STR: During the logging approach phase, it will be easier to determine the proper angle for each item.
VIT: During the mining approach phase, it will be easier to determine the proper force needed for each item.
DEX: During the fishing approach phase, it will be easier to determine the proper rod movement for each item.
INT: Number of items acquired by botanists will be increased.
MND: Number of items acquired by miners will be increased.
PIE: Number of items acquired by fishers will be increased.
Gathering: Lessens depletion of the Remainder gauge when using a main hand tool, and increases the chance of gathering. items when using an off hand tool.
Output: Increases the number of gathers or hooked fish.
Perception: Makes it easier to obtain high quality items.

2. What are these Control/Perception/Craft/M.Craft stats?
A: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...f271d7a0a84d5f

It was also recently added that Control will help prevent/stabilize elemental instabilities.

Perception is for DoL, so I'm not sure why you're lumping it with DoH stats. Perception will do you no good while crafting.


3. What is the maximum amount of materia you can meld onto a single piece?
Five


If those answers lead to more questions, feel free to ask.

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You sir are a scholar and a saint. Thank you!

stat for crafting quality increase is 0.1% increase per stat. so +100 stat will yield +10% quality

how much control do I need?
I'm now a level 50 CRP, trying to HQ Militia Bow, a l50 recipe
stats without food is craft/m.craft/control 158/109/73

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

how much control do I need?
I'm now a level 50 CRP, trying to HQ Militia Bow, a l50 recipe
stats without food is craft/m.craft/control 158/109/73

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150 control 140 crafting 90 magic

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

150 control 140 crafting 90 magic

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Why these numbers? Anything special about them or are these just what you have?

He likes spouting his own personal preferences without providing any data to back them up from what I've seen in other threads.

anyone could share their stats?

I'm not a CRP, but in principle it shouldn't matter.

I have a craftsmanship set that has 190 craftsmanship at the expense of everything else and a similarly-built outfit with 174 magic craftsmanship. I don't have Byregot's Blessing or any of the other high-level quality abilities, so I need Improvise. If I use the correct set I can get 400-500 quality on a tough recipe using Great Strides, Culmination, Brand of X, Improvise, and Manipulation. With the sets skewed this much, it's very easy to tell if the recipe is craftsmanship or magic craftsmanship, and the lack of control means I get an unstable element most of the time unless the recipe is low enough that I don't have many fails.

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

stat for crafting quality increase is 0.1% increase per stat. so +100 stat will yield +10% quality

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It was also recently added that Control will help prevent/stabilize elemental instabilities.
so 150 is about as high as you can get and still get crafting high enough.

chance of success are increased by higher Craftsmanship
140 is a good amount to get the successes, again, second to control to keep from going unstable.
80-100 magic craft is all i use to keep the color changing as i dont see it help with success on any crafts from ingots to potions. with +1 tools, and shoes, mag craft is easy to get to 100.

any one not doing a full control build should try it and see the different with successful finished crafts and high quality successes with less unstable synths

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Originally Posted by Raldo

He likes spouting his own personal preferences without providing any data to back them up from what I've seen in other threads.

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your moms my personal preference.

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

It was also recently added that Control will help prevent/stabilize elemental instabilities.
so 150 is about as high as you can get and still get crafting high enough.

chance of success are increased by higher Craftsmanship
140 is a good amount to get the successes, again, second to control to keep from going unstable.
80-100 magic craft is all i use to keep the color changing as i dont see it help with success on any crafts from ingots to potions. with +1 tools, and shoes, mag craft is easy to get to 100.

any one not doing a full control build should try it and see the different with successful finished crafts and high quality successes with less unstable synths

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what gear and materia you use for this control heavy set up?

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

what gear and materia you use for this control heavy set up?

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Control
sort by control amount here
Pince-nez +24
Storm/Flame/Serpent Apron +38
Explorers Belt +12
Linen Gaiters +8
Coral Earrings+1 +6
Flame/Serpent Ring +5

Craftsmanship
Linen Shortgloves +17
Storm/Flame/Serpent Sarouel +15-18
Storm/Flame Ring +5
FOOD Rolanberry Lassi +15
Mag Craft
Storm/Flame/Serpent Crakows+12-15

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

Control
sort by control amount here
Pince-nez +24
Storm/Flame/Serpent Apron +38
Explorers Belt +12
Linen Gaiters +8
Coral Earrings+1 +6
Flame/Serpent Ring +5

Craftsmanship
Linen Shortgloves +17
Storm/Flame/Serpent Sarouel +15-18
Storm/Flame Ring +5
FOOD Rolanberry Lassi +15
Mag Craft
Storm/Flame/Serpent Crakows+12-15

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i try your advice, replacing one of the gear for control, Explorer's Calot for Pince-Nez, and it work like wonder ^^
Im now crafting comfortly at 100 control and 150-ish craft

I focus on craftsmanship/magic craftsmanship and put control on the sidelines. Instability is rare for the most part, especially after the 1.23 patch.

what your stats?

~160 craftsmanship/magic craftsmanship with food and with ~100 control.
Varies somewhat from craft to craft. Typically also have about +70 ish stats.

I have both a craftsmanship and magic craftsmanship build.

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

stat for crafting quality increase is 0.1% increase per stat. so +100 stat will yield +10% quality

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Did some testing. Your numbers are quite off but I must admit its rather hard to settle on a number.

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Originally Posted by tymora

Did some testing. Your numbers are quite off but I must admit its rather hard to settle on a number.

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give what you have or don't speak up?

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Originally Posted by Green_and_a_Half

give what you have or don't speak up?

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Mine gives 0.4 to 0.5% at 0 craftsmanship. % will go down as craftsmanship go up.
Your 0.1% will only be accurate at particular combinations of craftsmanship and recipe level.

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Originally Posted by tymora

~160 craftsmanship/magic craftsmanship with food and with ~100 control.
Varies somewhat from craft to craft. Typically also have about +70 ish stats.

I have both a craftsmanship and magic craftsmanship build.

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After trying some high-level recipes with my pure (m)craft sets, I'm starting to think that these higher recipes have minimum control requirement, so I'll look into throwing in a little more control to see if that helps. Any thoughts you have on a possible minimal control and its effects on gains or success rate would be very helpful.

I use 2x recipe level as a gauge. Seems to work ok with 1.22c. Used to need higher.
Pulling a number out of my ass, I'll say this is about 10% instability which is pretty ok in my book.

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Originally Posted by tymora

I use 2x recipe level as a gauge. Seems to work ok with 1.22c. Used to need higher.
Pulling a number out of my ass, I'll say this is about 10% instability which is pretty ok in my book.

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saying 118 when doing rank 59 synths and 100 for rank 50 synths is a good benchmark. I will have to try that, but I usually do 140 control 120 craft and 100 magic. to keep the orb changing to get rainbow in the beginning. :)

Orb colors appear to be more or less fixed percentages unaffected by craftsmanship.
About 25:20:20:35 (W:Y:R:Rainbow) regardless of how I vary craftsmanship.

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Originally Posted by tymora

Orb colors appear to be more or less fixed percentages unaffected by craftsmanship.
About 25:20:20:35 (W:Y:R:Rainbow) regardless of how I vary craftsmanship.

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the more mag craft i get, the less rainbow i get ><
not confirmed anywhere but in my own head