Why They Return to put Exclusive item for TOP 100 again?

Isn't they reworked PVP to get away from the frustration? And now they do this again?

Instead of adding new stuff to buy with Trophy Crystals.
Can people in charge of the PVP wake up and start listening?

Add something like relic-for-PVP with 50,000 trophy crystals to get the new glowing weapon, more people will play both ranked and casual to solve both problems.

Right now, I've no reason to touch Crystal ranked again for the 3rd time, while throwing all the trophy crystals into the bin.

Knowing the RNG from ranking and uncertainty to get the glowing weapon token, made me "LESS" motivated to do CC PVP.

Wake the fuck up to whoever in charge of this PVP.

On the contrary, there is nothing limited to top 100. You can reach diamond rank 5 and get the same token as someone on the top 100 leaderboard.

It is entirely possible for a very average player to reach Diamond rank within a week or two if you take 5-10 minutes of your time after every 3-4 games to critically think about what you personally did wrong during a loss and what you personally did well during a win (do not focus on other players' performance).

You can even use this forum (even though its mostly used for complaints) to ask for advice and people will be quite amenable to parting with some valuable information that could potentially help you increase your win rate.

Actually most people use this forum as a platform to satisfy their ego by telling others how to git gud like themselves.

I'm not asking how to get to Diamond/Crystal or Top 100, my problem is their "Reward System" SUCKS.

What items got added for Top 100? All I see are the same old plates with another number.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

focus on what you personally did.

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don't give that kind advice to people when its 10% personal skill and 90% pure luck.
It does not help them.

a much better advice is; Read your tool tips > learn your kit > set up the best hotbar for you > practice in casual mode until you feel ready.
anything beyond that is not going to help them at all.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

What items got added for Top 100? All I see are the same old plates with another number.

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Glowing hellhound weapons

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Actually most people use this forum as a platform to satisfy their ego by telling others how to git gud like themselves.

I'm not asking how to get to Diamond or Top 100, my problem is their "Reward System" SUCKS.

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I agree with you. I think the dev. want more people to participate in Ranked including retired players from old Seasons pushing to Diamond at least, improving CC Ranked population. But you know what? If you want that not-very-shiny weapon you have to get to Crystal tier, if you just stay lazy in Diamond, you will have to participate in 2 seasons (Garlandtools database provided that we need 2 Commendation Crystals for 1 weapon). So with a stay in Diamond, you have to wait 4-5 months for a weapon that is immediately replaced by new Primal/Relics weapons after that long time. Even in Crystal/t100+ tier, sadly, you still have to wait for an entire patch for that reward. Do you think many people have time and patience playing at specific times for that "Reward System"??? I don't think so, it's week 3 and the queue already getting longer.

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Originally Posted by Sinstrel

On the contrary, there is nothing limited to top 100. You can reach diamond rank 5 and get the same token as someone on the top 100 leaderboard.

It is entirely possible for a very average player to reach Diamond rank within a week or two if you take 5-10 minutes of your time after every 3-4 games to critically think about what you personally did wrong during a loss and what you personally did well during a win (do not focus on other players' performance).

You can even use this forum (even though its mostly used for complaints) to ask for advice and people will be quite amenable to parting with some valuable information that could potentially help you increase your win rate.

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For veteran/crystal tier players like me, it's easy to get back Diamond/Crystal rank because we have carryable potential in many ways. But to get to Diamond for average skill players, it's still a nightmare for sure. For Casual players I don't think they can get past Gold, yeah you can get Dia with luck but the road for you to walk to Dia if you just rely on Luck is miserable. Then you have to wait few months after some patch notes for that "become OLD/OUTDATED" weapons.

You can get diamond, i believe in you.
You can even get 2 weapon glows if you can reach crystal ^^

I do feel this is in answer to pvp ranked veterans that have been whining for more rewards specific to ranked besides plates and titles, arguing that it would magically address how inbred and low affluence ranked has become.

Obviously this was gonna bring the other side of the crowd that don't want this to be a thing, which tbh I understand completely. As you said SE specifically removed most unique big rewards from top100 (or higher ranked pvp or whatever) when reworking the system for the reasons you evoked, so I can understand that people now feel betrayed when they take a step back after taking 2 steps forward.

Perhaps they could have offered 1 of those tokens for bronze to gold, 2 from plat to crystal, and the additional 2 for top rankers... bleh.

They should have taken the old Hellhound approach where any rank can gain some currency and the higher ranks gain way more each Season allowing people to eventually get them. I don't mind them as they are now, but it would have been more fair overall.

Legitimately a very good point TheCa.

They added some mediocre glow to hellhound weapons for reaching at least diamond.

They wanna get people back into ranked but at the same time prevent a outrage by the pve community for having pretty weapons locked behind pvp.

Perfect solution: Take ugly weapons and make em Glow.

While I wish they had at least updated the model for the hellhound weapons since some have pixel issues from yonder PS3 days going on I wouldn't call them ugly by a long shot.

You say they are dodging outrage from the pve community like the PVE community isn't also playing ranked. There are so many necromancers/legends/lone hero/once and future people running around in all levels of ranked. Maybe the majority of casual players aren't in there but are they really the bar for "PVE" community? Can you be "player versus everything" if you only play the story and maybe clear the casual raids here and there?

While I agree with ThaCa that the reward systems should extend all the way down to bronze, Im genuinely amazed by the seething and malding over the mere existence of ranked-exclusive rewardsystems. God forbid the mode gets incentive...

Humble reminder - casual players getting good rewards (battlepass, at least half the time) was never at odds with ranked rewards existing, it was mainly a matter of resource allocation from SE - so I don't understand why so many of you are so ADAMANT about the theory that SE axed ranked rewards to make space for other things. Smh.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

While I agree with ThaCa that the reward systems should extend all the way down to bronze, Im genuinely amazed by the seething and malding over the mere existence of ranked-exclusive rewardsystems. God forbid the mode gets incentive...

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I'm not sure I'm seething over their existence, but I sure always had a problem with them, especially in Feast. The idea that dev resources get spent to make something that barely a handful of players will own does not really sit well with me at all. The idea that a reward is limited in time (FOMO, the crystal series is also problematic in that regards) is something that really, really grinds my gears. If on top of it you add that it's limited for a top 100 or whatever, yeah, I'm definitely not comfortable with the idea. At all.

Like I said, if they add the glowing token spendable with trophy crystals instead, people will try to get it by doing Ranked and maybe Casual either way.
This isn't, Ranked should get something special, Casual stay poor topic. There are no sides here, stop imagining you're the honorary member of Ranked players and people complaining are filthy casuals.

There are lack of stuff to use with trophy crystals, you get 90% of those garbage from BattlePass, the only thing you can trade in is one fucking X materia for every 4000 trophies, before went through multiple stupid trade windows.
Imagine getting 6x Grade X materias from 4.5 months Battlepass with clicking all those windows to get it.

And instead of use the new reward to fix this problem, they went back to their old sick habit again.

Oh wow, we can get materia from trophy crystals? Or were you talking about exchanging them for wolf marks and then materia. There's my evidence that the menus are too obtuse and a chore to navigate.

I'm all for them doing whatever change necessary to make ranked have more players, be that adding or removing exclusive or time-locked things, merging casual and ranked, allowing a group queue, balancing the modes on something other than win/loss rates, or actually cracking down on win traders.

More ways to get what you're after can only be a good thing: I enjoyed getting Manderville relics this expansion doing the content most fun to me this expansion: pvp. I didn't have to fight Garuda hard mode 400 times during specific 2 hour spans or grind fates on max level jobs in zones that suck for fates, or play ffxi. Not everyone agrees with me on this, but applying the same idea to pvp makes sense. Throw more stuff on the trophy vendors and the battle pass. Hell, maybe personalize the battle pass like Chloe books. If you make bronze last season, maybe it could offer you a personal, additional award for hitting silver this go around. Keeping people coming back and interested in improving makes the game better for everyone I'd think.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

While I agree with ThaCa that the reward systems should extend all the way down to bronze, Im genuinely amazed by the seething and malding over the mere existence of ranked-exclusive rewardsystems. God forbid the mode gets incentive...

Humble reminder - casual players getting good rewards (battlepass, at least half the time) was never at odds with ranked rewards existing, it was mainly a matter of resource allocation from SE - so I don't understand why so many of you are so ADAMANT about the theory that SE axed ranked rewards to make space for other things. Smh.

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the only way i see them actually getting casuals to get into the mode and stay in it for any length of time is to lower the requirement for getting by a couple of ranks, I.E

Gold = 1 commendation crystal
Plat = 2
Crystal = extra 2

we can dodge the fomo relatively easy this way AND keep the tryhards happy.

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The main reason why i make this suggestion is because ranked currently does not respect your time in the slightest and lowering the requirements for people who DO NOT want to be in the mode for too long and just want the glam can get their stuff and get out.. would just make the casuals happier and less opposed to this.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

They should have taken the old Hellhound approach where any rank can gain some currency and the higher ranks gain way more each Season allowing people to eventually get them. I don't mind them as they are now, but it would have been more fair overall.

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I know Overwatch had this exact system for unlocking gold weapons, and I thought it was great. Even if you were placed lower you still could realistically work towards getting an end reward. I think just adding any long term reward grind with ranked that rewards all ranks would be good and still encourage people to least try the mode out more.

To be honest if they add this with a new mode play, think this would be more accepting, beside the overwatch crystal pushing mode we had since 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

Like I said, if they add the glowing token spendable with trophy crystals instead, people will try to get it by doing Ranked and maybe Casual either way.
This isn't, Ranked should get something special, Casual stay poor topic. There are no sides here, stop imagining you're the honorary member of Ranked players and people complaining are filthy casuals.

There are lack of stuff to use with trophy crystals, you get 90% of those garbage from BattlePass, the only thing you can trade in is one fucking X materia for every 4000 trophies, before went through multiple stupid trade windows.
Imagine getting 6x Grade X materias from 4.5 months Battlepass with clicking all those windows to get it.

And instead of use the new reward to fix this problem, they went back to their old sick habit again.

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Ok that "honorary member of ranked players" comment gave me quite a laugh, thank you. :D Make no mistake tho, Im not trying to be a saviour or mouthpiece, Im only giving my input as a ranked player because I want to see the mode thrive - you thinking Im imagining this as "people complaining are filthy casuals" is projection by you alone.

So to be clear, I understand completely that you are annoyed on how little Trophy Crystals can be effectively spent on, I get that and I support improvements in that system. I think they are a great system fundament, but it needs either a desirable currency sink for those with excess crystals and/or needs better/more rewards and consumables tied to it. At this point Id even suggest an equivalent to current PVE tier crafted gear so you can use PVP as alternate progression. And return old Battlepass stuff as well, ppl want the Archfiend set to return after all.

Short, yes Trophy Crystals has problems and Im all for improving it.

However, either out of willful ignorance or simply being unable to see beyond your own scope of interest, you simply don't get or want to get why Commendation Crystals (Ranked currency) got introduced in the first place. The primary purpose of them is purely to incentivize Ranked play, regardless if people like that or not or how well it will perform in that.

I am massively at odds with suggestions like "make the ranked thing purchasable with Trophy Crystals" because that defeats the entire purpose of that ranked currency. I don't give two f***s that some casual pvper finally gets access to Augmented Hellhound weapons, I do give a lot more than two if it meant Ranked player retention and incentivization had to tank further because of it. Ranked has enough of a hard time as is which isn't fixable with "fun improvement" alone.

Keep ranked currency in ranked, fix Trophy Crystals being meh in other ways.

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Originally Posted by Chiyeko

To be honest if they add this with a new mode play, think this would be more accepting, beside the overwatch crystal pushing mode we had since 2 years ago.

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Could be funny if we got a CTF gamemode ngl.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

Could be funny if we got a CTF gamemode ngl.

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funny? you mean fun.

I'm still waiting to see improvements or changes in ranked after the introduction of that ranked currency tbh. But maybe it's there, who knows, I don't have the data. Just not feeling it on my end.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm still waiting to see improvements or changes in ranked after the introduction of that ranked currency tbh. But maybe it's there, who knows, I don't have the data. Just not feeling it on my end.

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they're gonna add armors because they refuse to believe that they messed up.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

they're gonna add armors because they refuse to believe that they messed up.

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I fail to see the issue. :)

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

they're gonna add armors because they refuse to believe that they messed up.

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With how they literally just put Hellhound weapons and the Feast Ranked accessories in the crystal shop, I highly doubt they'll ever add anything as big as an armor sets or mounts again. Especially considering how people are already getting annoyed over really mid looking armor glows being high rank exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I am massively at odds with suggestions like "make the ranked thing purchasable with Trophy Crystals" because that defeats the entire purpose of that ranked currency. I don't give two f***s that some casual pvper finally gets access to Augmented Hellhound weapons, I do give a lot more than two if it meant Ranked player retention and incentivization had to tank further because of it. Ranked has enough of a hard time as is which isn't fixable with "fun improvement" alone.

Keep ranked currency in ranked, fix Trophy Crystals being meh in other ways.

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You're assuming people don't do Ranked for Trophy Crystals or Series level, I say it's the opposite. If they put more stuff to buy with Trophy Crystals, more people will play Ranked thus "incentivizing" it in a more effective way than making exclusive stuff to attract elitist and smug people into it.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

You're assuming people don't do Ranked for Trophy Crystals or Series level, I say it's the opposite. If they put more stuff to buy with Trophy Crystals, more people will play Ranked thus "incentivizing" it in a more effective way than making exclusive stuff to attract elitist and smug people into it.

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Even with a much more substantial amount of stuff in the crystal trophy shop, I don't think anyone would be willing to go through ranked solely just to get more crystal trophies. It would be much easier to go into Casual or Frontlines farm out series xp much more faster, efficiently, and with much less stress.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

Even with a much more substantial amount of stuff in the crystal trophy shop, I don't think anyone would be willing to go through ranked solely just to get more crystal trophies. It would be much easier to go into Casual or Frontlines farm out series xp much more faster, efficiently, and with much less stress.

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People are afk-ing and some do nothing in Casual it's actually more stressful, I want to have fun while farming lmao.

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

You're assuming people don't do Ranked for Trophy Crystals or Series level, I say it's the opposite. If they put more stuff to buy with Trophy Crystals, more people will play Ranked thus "incentivizing" it in a more effective way than making exclusive stuff to attract elitist and smug people into it.

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If you truly think that a tiny extra surplus of Trophy Crystals at the end of a season and the fundamentally equal Battle Pass EXP is what drives Ranked participation in the first place then you are out of your goddamn mind.

Yes you can get Series EXP and Trophy Crystals just as well from Ranked as you can from Casual, but that is not justification, that is an issue. If you see a benefit from having more competent games, great! But other than that Series EXP and Trophy Crystals are no more reason to do Ranked than to do Casual. If they improve Trophy Crystal vendor, it will drive more engagement in PvP in general with Ranked only receiving a scrap share of this, due to path of least resistence being Casual.

This isn't me assuming shit, this is me comparing both modes and their rewards, restrictions and benefits.

Also lowkey annoyed of the bullshit narrative that exclusive stuff purely attracts elitists as you call them.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I fail to see the issue. :)

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Of course you wouldn't, you're one of the sods that want feast how it was back
Getting everything while casuals got nothing.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Also lowkey annoyed of the bullshit narrative that exclusive stuff purely attracts elitists as you call them.

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that's just how people see it when they see square keep handing you things
people are quite tired of it.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

that's just how people see it when they see square keep handing you things
people are quite tired of it.

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Pretty sure SE has given casuals more things to access over the last four major patches than Ranked has ever gotten. Not saying it as a reason you deserve to get less since adding more casual rewards to the game (more pvp vendor items/better series rewards) is just plain better for everyone both groups. However, a reward for people who manage to get into diamond/crystal/top 100 is fine.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

Pretty sure SE has given casuals more things to access over the last four major patches than Ranked has ever gotten. Not saying it as a reason you deserve to get less since adding more casual rewards to the game (more pvp vendor items/better series rewards) is just plain better for everyone both groups. However, a reward for people who manage to get into diamond/crystal/top 100 is fine.

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You clearly were not around for the 18 seasons of feast before the overhaul.
see that armor Rein is wearing? Thats only one of the sets you could get from ranked at the time and casuals got nothing
now that casuals are getting almost everything we asked for ranked players are mad and want their exclusives back.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

You clearly were not around for the 18 seasons of feast before the overhaul.
see that armor Rein is wearing? Thats only one of the sets you could get from ranked at the time and casuals got nothing
now that casuals are getting almost everything we asked for ranked players are mad and want their exclusives back.

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I feel like I should post this page on the other thread for my post so I can highlight that Astralrisk is actually right, there is more for wolfmark/casual.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...h-stress/page4

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I feel like I should post this page on the other thread for my post so I can highlight that Astralrisk is actually right, there is more for wolfmark/casual.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...h-stress/page4

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after how many expacs lmfao bro get out of here, you're just talking nonsense.

casuals got like one set per expac and ranked got like 2 or 3 HIGH QUALITY sets.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

after how many expacs lmfao bro get out of here, you're just talking nonsense.

casuals got like one set per expac and ranked got like 2 or 3 HIGH QUALITY sets.

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2-3 series in ARR, 2 in HW, 1 in Stormblood, 2 in Shadowbringers, not counting Garo. Each series containing unique variants of armour and potentially even weapons. VS 6-11 armours from Ranked, depending whether you count recolours.

Sure we can talk about set quality, those may differ a fair bit, but they did improve over time.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

2-3 series in ARR, 2 in HW, 1 in Stormblood, 2 in Shadowbringers, not counting Garo. Each series containing unique variants of armour and potentially even weapons. VS 6-11 armours from Ranked, depending whether you count recolours.

Sure we can talk about set quality, those may differ a fair bit, but they did improve over time.

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does not change the fact that ranked got WAAAAAAY more then casuals, yall got mounts, weapons, armors, recolors. don't play the semantic game with me.

and even IF you say we got more, its because it was all ugly JOB SPESIFIC gear with some of them being lazy recolors, feast on the other hand... pretty sure you can use shadowstriker with every role/class.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

You clearly were not around for the 18 seasons of feast before the overhaul.
see that armor Rein is wearing? Thats only one of the sets you could get from ranked at the time and casuals got nothing
now that casuals are getting almost everything we asked for ranked players are mad and want their exclusives back.

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I am aware of what it was like before the 6.1 rework. However, if we look at the way they are handling it now there has been far more rewards added, and they have added some old ranked feast rewards into that pool. Again, I think having more rewards for the casual majority is welcomed since it benefits everyone. Yet having at least one incentive for people to go into ranked outside of the prestigious value is not bad either. Every form of hard content in this game has that incentive, don't know why it shouldn't apply to ranked pvp.