nice raid gear changes but tomes still suck

I just cleared anabaseios savage and thanks to the wonderful raid drop changes I now have every raid piece for BiS (so fast!).

Too bad that to get all the tome pieces for BiS I require nearly 2 months worth of comedy tomes (fitting name for a joke system).


Before anyone tells me that I don't really need BiS because there are no ultimates or anything to gear for; This problem still existed in both asphodelos and abyssos on a lot of classes.

I understand that they want to squeeze as much sub-money out of me as possible so better drag out the gearing process for savage raids, but it's getting a bit obvious.
Tome-farming and tome-gear needs an update because this system is old, stale and boring.

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Originally Posted by Elena_Farron

I just cleared anabaseios savage and thanks to the wonderful raid drop changes I now have every raid piece for BiS (so fast!).

Too bad that to get all the tome pieces for BiS I require nearly 2 months worth of comedy tomes (fitting name for a joke system).


Before anyone tells me that I don't really need BiS because there are no ultimates or anything to gear for; This problem still existed in both asphodelos and abyssos on a lot of classes.

I understand that they want to squeeze as much sub-money out of me as possible so better drag out the gearing process for savage raids, but it's getting a bit obvious.
Tome-farming and tome-gear needs an update because this system is old, stale and boring.

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At least the name of the tomes is right this time, for once

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Originally Posted by Elena_Farron

comedy tomes (fitting name for a joke system).

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^^based

Mostly agree that it shouldn't take so long to get sufficient tome gear. Looks like NIN (assuming that's what you're playing) needs like 6.5 weeks worth of tomes for everything. I also have to consider that if you ARE playing NIN, already cleared the tier AND received every raid piece you need, you're probably in a static and got funneled hard. Now you're basically in a spot where you'll be receiving nothing from reclears a month + , which is what makes it boring/frustrating if I had to guess. Even worse if you don't plan to gear an alt job/role, which would make the books worthless for you.

Personally, my group is only just moving into P11, so definitely not a W1 tier clear. However, I'm playing WHM, so I know that as a support (and a healer no less) I won't be given my raid gear for a long time. Given that, 6.5 weeks doesn't seem too long since I'm basically going to be stuck in crafted/unaugmented gear for the next month and a half. I guess it is what it is.

I guess for me it's not the tombs that are the problem, it's that they are the only way to get them with no other method. At least we get other methods for upgrading the tomb gear but I wish there as a secondary option to getting them, even if it took longer than tombs.

Not only is the tome cap way too low, but they keep the tome cap on for 2 entire patch cycles. They should definitely double the cap (and double the amount we get from content as well), and unlock the tome cap in the subsequent odd patch.



Edit: With savage coming out a week later now, even if they want to make it 450 for the first week pre-savage that would be fine. Once savage hits double the cap to 900.

Do you people want to trivialize the content even more than it normally is? Tomes take longer because otherwise it's far easier to clear things faster. Look at P6S, most groups were skipping Cachexia 2 on the 3rd week. Making people gear faster would just make that a 1st week skip instead, at which point the devs are just going to make everything even harder on the DPS checks.

Because there are only a couple options for gear rarity (in terms of obtaining)



Time gates (tomes, savage lockouts), or RNG. RNG is awful, no one should want RNG. Old school mmos I used to play had drop rates of 1/4000 or 1/8000 for RECIPES to craft the gear.. And they were one time use.

Gear had a 1/800 or 1/1000+ chance to drop from bosses that only spawned once or twice a week. I do not want to go back to that.

That leaves time gates.



They could go back to how gordias was, make earlier floor and tome gear required for later floors, but then people would complain about gear gating the fights, and not skill.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That leaves time gates.

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There is another option for time gating: Grind. But without RNG.

A few thousand uncapped tomestones for a relic armor?

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Originally Posted by Tint

There is another option for time gating: Grind. But without RNG.

A few thousand uncapped tomestones for a relic armor?

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Those are always delayed at the end of a tier. And grinding for bis would have to be made exorbitantly excessive. Instead of 6 books for a chest piece? 60. Instead of 825 tomes? 8250 or more. It wouldn't exactly be fun.


Otherwise raid content would be dead within a week for the hardcore, and a couple weeks for midcore. Casuals would still be at it for their usual amount because they take longer to clear the tiers.

if you've got all your raid pieces, just quit til 7.0 and then you can buy your tome pieces with poetics. why do you even need to play the game anymore?

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

if you've got all your raid pieces, just quit til 7.0 and then you can buy your tome pieces with poetics. why do you even need to play the game anymore?

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You're serious, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Elena_Farron

Tome-farming and tome-gear needs an update because this system is old, stale and boring.

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The problem is what do you replace it with because while it may be obvious, SE is still a business and does need to keep you subbed. It's easy to say develop more raids but that takes time and resources. They simply can't keep up with how quickly content is consumed. Case in point, you finished getting all the gear you technically need for your main in a week when they design the raids to last for months.

If tomes were anywhere remotely that quick, why would you even bother going back? Sure, there's the argument for playing other jobs but that only lasts for so long. At this point, Savage is kept alive by timegating and parse logging. Take away the former and it's entirely reliant on a third party website the devs don't even like for any sort of incentive outside an Ultimate release.

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Originally Posted by Remish

... tombs ....

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Tomes.

They're antediluvian data storage devices, not grave markers.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Do you people want to trivialize the content even more than it normally is? Tomes take longer because otherwise it's far easier to clear things faster. Look at P6S, most groups were skipping Cachexia 2 on the 3rd week. Making people gear faster would just make that a 1st week skip instead, at which point the devs are just going to make everything even harder on the DPS checks.

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If tomegear is faster to acquire they can tune the content around it. Its not that hard... please think before replying. And before you do that again and go "but why change the system then?" ill do the thinking once again for you: to gear alt jobs faster.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

The problem is what do you replace it with because while it may be obvious, SE is still a business and does need to keep you subbed. It's easy to say develop more raids but that takes time and resources. They simply can't keep up with how quickly content is consumed. Case in point, you finished getting all the gear you technically need for your main in a week when they design the raids to last for months.

If tomes were anywhere remotely that quick, why would you even bother going back? Sure, there's the argument for playing other jobs but that only lasts for so long. At this point, Savage is kept alive by timegating and parse logging. Take away the former and it's entirely reliant on a third party website the devs don't even like for any sort of incentive outside an Ultimate release.

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Maybe they can stop wasting ressources on dead on arrival content like island sanctuary or V/C dungeons.

Tomes are slow on purpose. Being a slower, alternative gear source for non-raiders is the main purpose of the system. That's why it's below savage ilevels in the first place. Upgrading it to sometimes be BiS is a bonus, not the primary function.

If you got it all tomorrow you'd be complaining how the patch lasts 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You're serious, aren't you?

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I mean can you blame him? Seriously why do people go for all BiS if theres not enough content to validate for it. Its just pointless numbers. At least in other MMOs theres actually content reasons for them but in FFXIV all you get is Savage.

I guess the new Criterion in this patch will warrant for it but I feel people sometimes go pointlessly overboard with wanting to gear up so quickly.

I do support the more options available for getting BiS pieces.