Gunbreaker, Bloodfest.

I want to suggest a change to Bloodfest (Cartridge Charge II), at lvl 88 instead of giving 3 Cartridges on a 2 minute cooldown, make it give 2 but on a 1 min. cooldown.

Just my 2 cents, to make Gunbreakers rotation feel less strictly, especially if a fight has downtimes where you can't attack anthing to keep your rotation to build cartrides.

I love this idea

Not seeing how this would make the rotation any less strict. Now you're just going to do a 3-cart + Bloodfest burst every minute instead of every two, your opener is more awkward and the awful forced 2-cart burst is going to change slightly.

Same as above, I don't think it would change anything about the rotation being strict.

If anything:

• Dash shouldn't inflict damage but at most a debuff
• Continuation shouldn't drop after another GCD
• Sonic Break should be updated/merged
• Blasting Zone CD should scale on skillspeed, it drifts very easily
• Gnashing fang combo could grant a self defense buff to reduce the APM when a tank buster happens in a 60s window
• Rampart and Camouflage could be merged, the latter is a bit niche

If anything, I'd also add a way for GNB to generate cartridges during downtime, something close to Umbral soul

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Gnashing fang combo could grant a self defense buff to reduce the APM when a tank buster happens in a 60s window

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I wouldn't hate it but it's not really necessary. Once you get an idea of when TBs happen during a fight, you can prepop Nebula/Rampart before your 1-min starts and usually have a least one weave slot for Heart of Corundum. Worse comes to worse you move some things around to make room for mits but unlike DRK you at least have a bit of flexibility there.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Rampart and Camouflage could be merged, the latter is a bit niche

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I've only just cleared P9S but looking at logs from later fights, with the exception of P12 it looks like the bosses do a lot of physical autos which Camouflage is perfect for and lets you save Nebula/Rampart for TBs. Plus it's nice in dungeons for trash pulls, so it'd be a huge downgrade to get rid of it.

I think I'd actually like this.

It would normalize the burst instead of having a weird stutterstep odd minute vs even minute thing going. It would be more consistent. It would also help with things like KO recovery since you'd have it up for every burst to be able to get a Double Down without it drifting as you spam your AOE combo if you happen to go down and get a Raise just before the burst window.

Honestly, I think it would allow for more interesting choices for players interested in it than the current system does, and make the even minute bursts SLIGHTLY less busy and the odd ones slightly more, which would be a good thing, imo.

[*]Dash shouldn't inflict damage but at most a debuff

I am personaly not a fan of using mobility skills for a pure DPS gain, but you need to learn and know when you will need a dash and keep the charges if needed.
[*]Continuation shouldn't drop after another GCD

Fair, because Continuation doesnt drop the 1-2-3 combo either.
[*]Sonic Break should be updated/merged

I have no optinion on that, i always use Bow Shock and Sonic Break together with No Mercy
[*]Blasting Zone CD should scale on skillspeed, it drifts very easily

Skillspeed doesnt effect any oGCD abilities, because of this it seems best to have 2.5 sec GCD, then you have no drift.
[*]Gnashing fang combo could grant a self defense buff to reduce the APM when a tank buster happens in a 60s window

I dont think you need that, you just need to learn to use your defenses before the boss uses hsi Tankbusters, they last 15 or 20 seconds, you can use them in advance before going into Continuation combo.
[*]Rampart and Camouflage could be merged, the latter is a bit niche

No, Camouflage is the gunbreakers version of a smaller mitigation CD, all tanks got someting like this.

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Originally Posted by baklava151

I wouldn't hate it but it's not really necessary. Once you get an idea of when TBs happen during a fight, you can prepop Nebula/Rampart before your 1-min starts and usually have a least one weave slot for Heart of Corundum. Worse comes to worse you move some things around to make room for mits but unlike DRK you at least have a bit of flexibility there.

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It's not necessary, it's just a QoL.
All QoLs aren't necessary but they're all nice.

Shaving a few thing to weave is the objective, I know it could lead to GNB having an extra mitigation but it could also make the tanks different.

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Originally Posted by baklava151

I've only just cleared P9S but looking at logs from later fights, with the exception of P12 it looks like the bosses do a lot of physical autos which Camouflage is perfect for and lets you save Nebula/Rampart for TBs. Plus it's nice in dungeons for trash pulls, so it'd be a huge downgrade to get rid of it.

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Camouflage currently has many downgrades of its own:
-Bad against big single hit
-Weaker against magical (most TBs), Inconsistent against physical
-Not good on its own, diminishing return with multiple cooldowns

It's true that it has a niche but that's exactly the argument, it's the most niche cooldown and should be applicable to more situations.
Dark Mind for example is niche but has much more applications.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

No, Camouflage is the gunbreakers version of a smaller mitigation CD, all tanks got someting like this.

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DRK doesn't have a 90s mitigation that isn't rampart, Dark mind is a 60s.
"Every tank has one so GNB should have one" and then we'll complain about tanks beings the same.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

DRK doesn't have a 90s mitigation that isn't rampart, Dark mind is a 60s.
"Every tank has one so GNB should have one" and then we'll complain about tanks beings the same.

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Technically Oblation fits that bill. I say technically because while it's 10% mitigation, it's also incredibly lackluster and you get it so late to where it's pretty forgettable (seriously SE, give it to DRK at level 58, when we don't have TBN).

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Technically Oblation fits that bill. I say technically because while it's 10% mitigation, it's also incredibly lackluster and you get it so late to where it's pretty forgettable (seriously SE, give it to DRK at level 58, when we don't have TBN).

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Oblation is a 60s and can be thrown at allies, it's not the same as Camouflage, Thrill of Battle or Bulwark.

Also, I can understand why SQEX won't buff Oblation, a 15% mitigation on 60s you can throw at allies and that can stack 2 charges would be a bit too strong.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

It's not necessary, it's just a QoL.
All QoLs aren't necessary but they're all nice.

Shaving a few thing to weave is the objective, I know it could lead to GNB having an extra mitigation but it could also make the tanks different.

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Well, two things I think they could do.

- Give Brutal Shell's additional effect (heal + barrier) to Savage Claw as well, I don't see any reason why GNB should lose that sustain in the middle of Gnashing Fang (which is maybe what you had in mind reading your post again, not sure).
- Get rid of Hypervelocity (probably not likely) to open up some weave space again

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Camouflage currently has many downgrades of its own:
-Bad against big single hit
-Weaker against magical (most TBs), Inconsistent against physical
-Not good on its own, diminishing return with multiple cooldowns

It's true that it has a niche but that's exactly the argument, it's the most niche cooldown and should be applicable to more situations.
Dark Mind for example is niche but has much more applications.

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Even if niche, it's still useful to have over not having it at all.

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Originally Posted by baklava151

- Get rid of Hypervelocity (probably not likely) to open up some weave space again

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I've previously said to do this, but not by removing it outright, but instead:

- DoubleDown is now 2 hits of 600p, rather than one of 1200. This helps show it's two strikes (as it spends 2 cartridges) and also reduces Crit Variance (tm)
- DoubleDown is learned at 86, and Hypervelocity is now learned at 90
- Hypervelocity now follows on from DoubleDown, and is increased in potency to compensate for the fact you're using it less times per minute

also if possible:

- Bloodfest (the 'gain 3 cartridges') is now called Draw and Junction to better fit the FF8 naming convention, and to more accurately represent the skill's effect
- Double Down is now called Bloodfest, as a reference to Seifer's LB in FF8
- Hypervelocity can probably stay as is, or be named DoubleDown, either works

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

- Double Down is now called Bloodfest, as a reference to Seifer's LB in FF8

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I'm pretty sure the skill is called Double Down because it's using two cartridges, in essence you're landing a big hit and double down on the damage by letting two cartridges go instead of the normal one. And for a job that hasn't existed in a final fantasy before this outing, it goes a long way to making it stand on it's own lorewise, as opposed just being a rip-offed Seifer/Squall.

No sure any of the renaming conventions mentioned need to happen.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I'm pretty sure the skill is called Double Down because it's using two cartridges, in essence you're landing a big hit and double down on the damage by letting two cartridges go instead of the normal one. And for a job that hasn't existed in a final fantasy before this outing, it goes a long way to making it stand on it's own lorewise, as opposed just being a rip-offed Seifer/Squall.

No sure any of the renaming conventions mentioned need to happen.

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From what I understand, every move's name is taken from Lightning, Seifer or Squall (some from Dissidia). At least, the SHB stuff, idk what a hypervelocity is. But that's also why I said 'also if possible', chances are people would get confused if names got changed now they've been what they've been for over 3 years, so that part can be ignored. The actual numbers bit is the main meat of the idea/change

Jobs that have an ability that gives a free fill to the job gauge NEED those abilities to have reasonable recast/cooldown times, they are important to the 'culture' of the job. Unfortunately Gumbreakers' got upped from 90 seconds to 120 (at Endwalker release I believe), which hurt it's feel massively and this change alone is what caused me to stop playing it. Having to wait an extra 30 seconds for a 'free job gauge fill' turned Gunbreaker into a mundane string of trigger slashing with nothing interesting to break it up.

Red Mage's Manafication (which half-fills both sides of their job gauge) has a 110 second timer, only 10 seconds less than the current Gunbreaker's gauge-filler- but there's a lot more going on with Red Mage as it's split between casting and melee, not to mention being able to heal and resurrect, and the 10 second difference in the timer itself of course still counts for something.

This change kind of turned/revealed Gunbreaker as being Red Mage without the magic. Also I think we could trade in some of Gunbreaker's SIX shield skills (not even counting superbollide) for some other offense-based actionables.

As someone who mains Gunbreaker, I am just going to keep things on topic of the thread, which is Gunbreaker AND Bloodfest.

Starting with Bloodfest since that seems to be the focus; I am okay with with Bloodfest having 2 charges on a 90-120 second cooldown, but would require some other expansion level changes that I also see being possible if this happens.

Now with that out of the way Gunbreaker as a whole for level 90-100; I would like to see MOST Gubreaker exclusive skills getting a second charge and reduced cooldown timer, which would easily fit the theme Gunbreaker might want to have since it has a gunblade, which would be a very active charge tank(though you would need to remove charges from the last two skills Dark Knight gets near the end of Endwalker, but no one likes Dark Knight on a gameplay level, especially after Stormblood, so no real loss there).

The obvious skills that would not have reduced recast timers and charges, would be Superbolide(because if it did every tank would complain about that wasn't Gunbreaker, so that would be one way of balancing Gunbreaker with other tanks) Double Down, Gnashing Fang, and Blasting Zone, mostly to balance the DPS on Gunbreaker and so that the devs can actually attempt on making DPS rotations for the other tanks actually be interesting, at least on GCD side of things.

Of course this means that Gunbreaker DPS goes up a lot in training dummy fights since No Mercy, Sonic Break, and Bow Shock would also have a second charge but that's the point.

Speaking of those skills, they would be the only skills that have a second charge, but not a reduced recast timer, to try and balance out the fact the you might have to move away from the boss since the Devs really like making tanks and healers suffer more with Vuln stacks and instant death stacks(by the way I never did like the instant death ones since they are 100x worse than vuln stacks) even though Gunbreaker REALLY wants uptime.

As for Aurora which already has a second charge, instant cure potency of 800 or something on top of the regen, that's all the devs can really do with Aurora.

Heart of Light could be buffed to apply Cure potency of 600 that also applies Brutal Shell buff equaling the amount healed for the entire party and Aurora buff, for those meaty raid busters.

Maybe direct potency buffs for Continuation skills if devs are feeling spicy.

That's basically all I expect from 7.0 Gunbreaker, and that's the best case scenario I can potentially come up with.