Request: Devs, can we have an alternative way to get the Disciple of the Land hats?

Hello.

I direct this Topic I've been wanting to open for quite some time to the dev team. The matter is similar to others already discussed (therefore, as usual, the point can be misinterpreted), but never on this subject (that is, Disciple of the Land Class-specific armor).
Thanks if the community reps could forward it.

The first ever released Class-specific armors for Disciples of the Land, as we all know, are a completely random reward from Hamlet Defense.

I did almost 100 Hamlets and never saw one drop.

Then, I realized that all the parties for Hamlet Defense were only aiming for seals and weren't really enjoying the content.
As part of my philosophy is: “In Eorzea we should always do only what we like doing.”, eventually I got bored of the adventurers' boredom. :D
Holy Nald, all the times that I asked: “Am I the only one who likes Hamlet Defense?”, only 1 adventurer answered me positively!

And I could understand them, doing the same content over and over with the same Class/Job setups again and again. :(

Therefore, I decided to stop doing Hamlet Defense, as I couldn't stand anymore all the boredom in the air, and went back to the origins, with the good relax of questing, crafting and gathering.
The purpose of a virtual world like Eorzea should be of joy and amusement, and never become stressfull. Of course, I cannot force other adventurers to stop doing something they don't like doing, stressing themselves, but to me it's just wrong.

And unfortunately, who (badly) designed the content decided to put those Disciple of the Land hats I really want – and let me specify, I only want them because I'm a True Disciple of the Land and for look purposes – as utterly random reward of said content. It must be something like 1% drop rate.

And I would like to ask the dev team: Why?

Let me quote my point from another post of mine.

After all this time they finally release some Class-specific equipments for us gatherers, to be considered like AF, and what do they do? They place them as a Randow Reward with a ridicolously low chance to obtain them, only based on luck.

Why, as a gatherer, I cannot truly earn those hats?

• Let me swing my pickaxe in Coerthas 10.000 times, if needed.
  
  
• Let me reach some extremely dangerous places, like speaking with the NPCs in Lasthold (I tie Exploration a lot with my Disciples of the Land Classes).
  
  
• Let me gather 99 HQ Logs, Minerals or Fishes of the hardest type.
  
  
• And maybe create a proper quest, like with the Disciples of War and Magic ones for AF, with a story behind.

Just some ideas that would provide at least a bit of challenge and commitment, rather than just spamming the same content over and over only praying for Lady Luck.
A hardcore would obtain them, say, in 2 weeks and a casual like me in 3 months, but eventually the efforts will be rewarded.


What the devs should know is that not everyone has the gathering Classes leveled only for monetary purpose. There're certain adventurers who actually liked leveling them up and still enjoy playing them.
Why can't we have e concrete system to truly earn the finally released Class-specific equipments for Disciples of the Land?

I will always consider these bad design choices of the Random/Luck Factor that arrived with the Speed Runs/AoE Feast of the instanced raids to be a huge flaw.
The sooner the devs understand it and fix it, the better for most of the adventurers that on this very moment are still spamming those contents, with the same Classes and same strategy every time, not having fun in doing it, and just for a slim chance to get a drop.


Yoshida-san and dev team, please take into serious consideration an alternative way to get those hats!

I saw the Armorer and Botanist Class-specific armor from the E3 screenshots, and it wouldn't be fair to put those equipments as a random reward rather than allow us to properly gain them.

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...SZfR7S-O3I.jpg

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...SZfRgTpTDE.jpg

The botanist's hat above is actually the one obtained randomly in Hamlet Defense...

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...SHlUX9Wp4Q.png

Not only I hope the subsequent armor pieces won't be obtainable in a similar random way, but also that the hats will finally get a concrete way to be found and no more a random thing from Hamlet Defense's spamming.

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...SHmlBagm7s.png

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...SHlUgJ5R6k.png

Think about us True Disciples of the Land & Hand, please. And stop with this random crepe once and for all, for the Twelve's sake. :(

Thanks for reading.

Great Post, I agree with it 100%. And no I don't want it obtained easliy either. let us work for it as a DOL.

I know several groups running Hamlets all the time, and 90% of those runs a top 20 provisioner is present. Even adding up all of that I've only heard of two hats dropping...

Maybe we're doing something wrong in Hamlet? Am I not stacking enougj BLM?

And how do you get one of these amazing hats you ask? By being a truly dedicated Disciple of the Land? Nope, you have to run around and pick up potions!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...jpg?1296494117

I agree with this post. I'm a fisher. I want to earn my hat by fishing. You let me earn my golden rod by fishing, so why not the hat?

They could create an achievement in which it specifically keeps count of how many supple branches you gather or whatever gathered item you have like let's say
-Gathered 10k Supple Branches
-Supplied x hamlet with 2mil worth of points
-Supplied y hamlet with 2mil worth of points
-Supplied z hamlet with 2mil worth of points
-Successfully defended x y and z hamlet.
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It would prolly be tougher but it would be nicer if said rewards were actually designed with DOL in mind and not just a random award that anyone in the group has a chance of getting.

I wouldn't mind a quest for it if it's meant to be an AF-style item.

I do like the "supply X amount of items to all hamlets" idea though.

i have 0 dol classes but the idea of getting items for a class requires doing something with that class is a popular one across the board notably in the great big relic post.

where people in the relic quests were saying why should they have to be a botanist to obtain an item for there warrior or something. and it seems over here te disciples of the land want the same thing.

would be ironic if they got it though and the dow/dom didnt.

Great post OP :) I too would like an alternative way to obtain this armor. I was hoping for a story line and obtaining them via quest...I didn't realize that hat (if it really is the AF hat) is in game and comes from lolhamlet...ew :(

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Originally Posted by Dzian

i have 0 dol classes but the idea of getting items for a class requires doing something with that class is a popular one across the board notably in the great big relic post.

where people in the relic quests were saying why should they have to be a botanist to obtain an item for there warrior or something. and it seems over here te disciples of the land want the same thing.

would be ironic if they got it though and the dow/dom didnt.

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What?

None of this has to do with relics. Nobody even mentioned having to level up a DoW/M. We want a different way to get our JSE. DoW/M got their AF quests, why don't we get that same chance. This is our job hats, not relics.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

i have 0 dol classes but the idea of getting items for a class requires doing something with that class is a popular one across the board notably in the great big relic post.

where people in the relic quests were saying why should they have to be a botanist to obtain an item for there warrior or something. and it seems over here te disciples of the land want the same thing.

would be ironic if they got it though and the dow/dom didnt.

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You don't have to be a DoH/L to get a relic, it just makes it a lot easier because you need A LOT of money to get them. We just want to gather to get our items, not run around grabbing potions. It almost makes me wish they hadn't come out with HD, or at least made it DoW/M only for the battle phase.

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Originally Posted by Scytale

I know several groups running Hamlets all the time, and 90% of those runs a top 20 provisioner is present. Even adding up all of that I've only heard of two hats dropping...

Maybe we're doing something wrong in Hamlet? Am I not stacking enougj BLM?

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At first I also thought that maybe there were particular conditions to get the hats, but in the end I realized it was just random like any other type of Militia equipment... except these hats are like 1% drop rate.


Anyway, yes, I always considered these hats like “AF”, although it was never officially stated. After all, they are the first unique armor for Disciples of the Land, and that very nice Botanist's artwork shown at E3, with the Hamlet Cutter's Hat as part of the armor set, confirmed me that it can be really considered like AF.
But for some reason, we got them as a random reward from a content that most of the adventurers dislike rather than make us obtain them in a good and satisfactory way...

It wouldn't make any sense if in 2.0 we'll be able to get the Gatherer's remaining armors in a proper way, with quest and difficult Achievements, but the hat piece remains a random thing in Hamlet Defense, so I hope they'll consider our requests of an alternative way to let us truly earn those hats.
Hear us here, devs!

Not to be the debbie downer, but the trend they're doing is obvious, keeping drop rates extremely low and keeping it all group based.

It's all busy work until 2.0, we still have like 3 months until 2.0 hits and the LONGER it takes someone to obtain something, the better.

Might as well keep everyone doing hamlets (relic AF, crafter gear, gathering gear, anima) so that there is an incentive for everyone to constantly have something to do.

It's intentional in it's design. If you could go off and do something solo then why in gods name would any crafter or gatherer bother with hamlet?

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Originally Posted by TripBeaumint

It's intentional in it's design. If you could go off and do something solo then why in gods name would any crafter or gatherer bother with hamlet?

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Crafters and gatherers are requested for Hamlet Defense for the static setup to get the 60.000+ points chest. But that's another matter.
Here we're talking about giving the first ever released Class-specific armors as a random reward with ridicolously low drop rate rather than allow us Disciples of the Land to truly earn it like the Golden Tools or the other Job's AFs.

I know it's intentional, but I also call it bad design choice (Time Sink content). “We release the first Disciple of the Land specific armors and just toss them out in Hamlet Defense with a 1% drop rate, so players will be busy for some time.”. This is just being lazy. :(

I remember that statement of Yoshida where he said that “the idea is to create contents and the hardcore players will complete them before the others and get their weapons, while the casual might need 3 months to do it, and by then we'll release new contents”.
I don't remember if it was in one of his interviews or letters, but he said this and the idea was that eventually the casual would also have their efforts rewarded. But in a random system like the current one, a casual might be lucky and get the Hat on the first victory, while a hardcore could do 100 Hamlets and never see a sign of the Hat.

They could come up with way better ideas that would keep us busy for several weeks – Hey, by the way, it's Summer Time eh :D – rather than just spamming the same content again and again, and I don't think that would influence the schedule of 2.0, we're not talking about super coding here.
In the first post I said just a few ideas, maybe not the best ones, but surely far better than a random reward from spamming a content that almost nobody likes doing.

Yeah, I HATE "luck" based content... The Gambler's crown is the only luck based item I can appreciate, as it is purely bragging rights and not anything anyone actually needs. I want DoL/DoH AFs by EFFORT, not luck.

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I saw the Armorer and Botanist Class-specific armor from the E3 screenshots, and it wouldn't be fair to put those equipments as a random reward rather than allow us to properly gain them.

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Exactly!

they really NEED to make content that requires WORK even its its insane like getting the luminary tools atleast you'll be getting something for your time and not wasting you life for zero.

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It's intentional in it's design. If you could go off and do something solo then why in gods name would any crafter or gatherer bother with hamlet?

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a bad design is over complex, a good design is keeping things simple. just like ffxiv version one coding = bad design.

It feels like people don't like Hamlet :3

Hamlet is a lot of fun, I agree, but these luck based drops, I question. I will keep trying to get it because again, Hamlet IS fun, but it can also get old pretty fast.

I'm personally more concerned with people who don't even have DoL leveled, getting these things, and use it as an incentive to level it. THAT would bug me.

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Originally Posted by Gloulion

What?

None of this has to do with relics. Nobody even mentioned having to level up a DoW/M. We want a different way to get our JSE. DoW/M got their AF quests, why don't we get that same chance. This is our job hats, not relics.

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Oh wow I dont remember posting this..
I think what my point was, was that people were saying they want to be able to get stuff for there fisherman using there fisherman, which is a common thing people want across many subjects for all classes.

It's no different having a fisherman needing to use dow/dom to get his hat or something than it is for a dragoon who has to run av as blm to get the 17 minute times needed for his relic.

and while yes hats are armor and stuff doh/dol get there tools using there crafts instead of there armor.

I think if a botanist can get everything he ever needs be it tools armor or other gear doing nothing but botany then drg/pld/mnk etc should be able to do the very same thing.

With 2.0 DoL can find treasure maps. SE could make it that we need to find a special treasure map, which lead us in a dungeon, for which we need a battle party around us to survive, to find there a coffer which give us for a chance the hat ^^
The founded special treasure map would be the key for the coffer.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Oh wow I dont remember posting this..
I think what my point was, was that people were saying they want to be able to get stuff for there fisherman using there fisherman, which is a common thing people want across many subjects for all classes.

It's no different having a fisherman needing to use dow/dom to get his hat or something than it is for a dragoon who has to run av as blm to get the 17 minute times needed for his relic.

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Then just do hamlet as fisherman.
A good hamlet party need 2 DoL and 2 DoH to get the 60+ points.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Oh wow I dont remember posting this..
I think what my point was, was that people were saying they want to be able to get stuff for there fisherman using there fisherman, which is a common thing people want across many subjects for all classes.

It's no different having a fisherman needing to use dow/dom to get his hat or something than it is for a dragoon who has to run av as blm to get the 17 minute times needed for his relic.

and while yes hats are armor and stuff doh/dol get there tools using there crafts instead of there armor.

I think if a botanist can get everything he ever needs be it tools armor or other gear doing nothing but botany then drg/pld/mnk etc should be able to do the very same thing.

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Again, you're confusing the relic quest with the AF quests. This isn't about relics. This is about AF armour. If I recall correctly, a dragoon, or a bard, or a paladin can do all of his or her AF quests as a dragoon, bard, or paladin. This is no different. Us gatherers want to actually gather to earn our AF.

When Yoshi gives us relic fishing rods, pickaxes, and hatchets, then the issue of needing other classes can be raised. Until then, this is about AF gear, which is, even in this game, a nice self-contained little questline. That one can do entirely as their chosen (required) class/job.

EDIT: In addition, the fact that the DoWs and DoMs get full quests and lore and backstory and what have you for their AFs while we gatherers get... a 1% drop? That's insulting. I realise the AF armour for DoM/W is tied to the job system and it was also a way to introduce the jobs, but we need some loving too. Let the Fishermen's Bottom award the new AF to dedicated fishers. Let the Miner's Guild give the new hat to miners who don't spend all day oggling the strip- the dancing girls.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

Hamlet is a lot of fun, I agree, but these luck based drops, I question. I will keep trying to get it because again, Hamlet IS fun, but it can also get old pretty fast.

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You're the 2nd adventuress who I hear saying this, actually liking Hamlet Defense (3 with me :D).
However, as you also said, it can get old, and therefore boring, quite fast, doing the same routine every time. Too bad they kind of wasted the content, forcing to spam it just for a slim chance of drops...
Hopefully they'll fix it up in 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Felis

With 2.0 DoL can find treasure maps. SE could make it that we need to find a special treasure map, which lead us in a dungeon, for which we need a battle party around us to survive, to find there a coffer which give us for a chance the hat ^^
The founded special treasure map would be the key for the coffer.

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I like this idea! Being an Explorer, I'm really looking forward to the “Treasure Maps” content of 2.0.
Giving us a proper adventure to gain our Class-specific hats would be a Great choice. :)

I don't think the Hamlet hats are going to be our AF. It isn't a proper way to obtain them. Sure the botanist hat looks similar to the one in the photo, but I highly doubt it.