25k seals...

So yeah, i decided to skip the relics because of the huge headache is it to acquire them....mostly because of the 25,000 worth of grand company seals you need to buy the rare/ex item. And im perfectly ok with skipping them until after 2.0 is released.

BUT after reading through the patch notes, im going to need another 25,000 grand company seals to get a higher rank? Really SE??

Atm, i've been using all my seals for the doh/dol exp buff items (which i love very much btw^^) but requiring me to get another 25k seals is just outrageous to me.

I know there are numerous ways to get seals between doing supplies/provisioning at gc, gc leves, caravans and trading in ifrit weapons.....but it takes a while to get to 25k.....even just for the relic/rank....then i have to do it over again. Now i know that i can trade in my ifrit weapons....but if they arent going to be in 2.0 why would i just trade them in? It'd be dumb to consider, especially since it takes forever to get just 1 drop.

I think if se is going to continue this route of ridiculous, spamming same content over and over and over (which is essentially what you need to do to get seals) im going to throw in the towel. I have been one of those faithful players that have played since beta and have truly loved the game, but i dont want to be forced to mass spam everything over and over.....its getting very old, very fast. And just when i think spamming of certain dungeons/instances are done, they add something else that requires you to spam it even more.

MMOs need content that takes a while. Repeating content is just the name of the game. How many times did groups have to run Dynamis or Sky or Sea in XI to get the drops they needed?

As you said, there's plenty of ways to get seals. Spread it out. Gather, solo leves, group up for caravan. It's the least "repeat-dependant" goal in the game currently.

I'd rather us have something like this that allows tangible progress rather than RNG-dependant drops.

I think all quests should require you to choose one of three doors. One will have nothing, one will have the prize, and the last will have a dimensional portal that sends you to a massive boss that has holds that prize. You'll be thrown in to a death match, alone, where the item is dangled in the air by a moogle.

Oh, and allow other players to watch the carnage.

GC gear is for the casuals who want good gear. It's good gear so it takes a while to get the nice stuff like the LT weapons and armor set. Don't have the time to get Relics or don't have a good LS for Primals? Work on these over a long time to get it.
And Relics are for those who have a lot of time to spend and who want really really good weapons. Although I dislike the RNG from the pit of my soul, the best weapons aren't meant for everyone. Don't like it? Skip it.
All content isn't meant for everyone. Do Garuda and get those weapons instead. No 100% dependence on RNG so it won't take so long and it's skill based and not luck based so there's no real complaining about it other than "Boohoo it's too hard!". There's even the cheaper GC weapons that are pretty good. I use the GC axe on my War for that +50 HP and I love to use it more than any of the primal weapons so there's no shame in it.

Seriously, it's not for everyone.

I just hope that 2.0 doesnt require as much spamming to keep things relevant.

I am sitting on over 30K seals atm. I have bout the Relic item for 25K and spent over 40K seals on gear. I am looking for things to waste seals on, so I am hapy there is something so expensive to use my seals on.

Most content we have now is just a time sink while the Devs prepare 2.0, so we'll just have to stick with what we have for now.

The Lieutenant weapons cost 25k seals as well xD

Some of the lieutenant weapons are very good for something you can pick up from your GC, not to mention the unique design of these as well.
I was shocked to find out that the price was 25k to be honest though, I was expecting 10k atleast heh.

Seals aren't that bad to get anymore.

I am a little disappointed with the cost of the grand company promotion as well as the weapons. The main reason for this is the same as the original poster. I do not plan on making a relic weapon. I have made my peice with that so I am settling for a decent Grand Company weapon.

Now while some people may be sitting on a few 100k seals I am going to say by the long lines waiting at the Caravans most are not. This means it is either a lotto of who gets in a caravan run or taking turns. Myself when I log on I want to play. I do not want to do a run for 15-18 mintues, then run do a Company leve, then maybe have a turn to play again.

I do have a few suggestions to improve this however:

Grand Company Leves: Please increase the reward for these quests. At the same time please make it possible to do these in a group. I would love to make a guild leve XP party earning my seals, playing with my friends so it does not feel like I am grinding. Instead I am just playing with my friends as I work on a goal.

Quests: I would love a few repeatable quests that offered some seals as a reward. XI had a varirty of ways to help out with the war effort in WotG some of these could be adapted for XIV offering some new content.

Caravans: Please make these instances. There is not a lot of these in the game and currently only 8 people can do them at a time. Instances would allow two or three parties to partake in the caravan runs at a time.

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Originally Posted by VoltaAsura

I think if se is going to continue this route of ridiculous, spamming same content over and over and over (which is essentially what you need to do to get seals) im going to throw in the towel.

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

I do have a few suggestions to improve this however:

Grand Company Leves: Please increase the reward for these quests. At the same time please make it possible to do these in a group. I would love to make a guild leve XP party earning my seals, playing with my friends so it does not feel like I am grinding. Instead I am just playing with my friends as I work on a goal.

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They just did with the recent upgrade to seal reward. Also you do get XP for doing these quests. Also these can be done solo, and there appears to be no-queue issue. Is this still not enough?

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

Quests: I would love a few repeatable quests that offered some seals as a reward. XI had a varirty of ways to help out with the war effort in WotG some of these could be adapted for XIV offering some new content.

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I fear people would just complain: Going to grind that quest 10 more times today. People will complain about anything that even smells of being repeated. Unless its an original (and different) quest each time, people will call it a grind.

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

Caravans: Please make these instances. There is not a lot of these in the game and currently only 8 people can do them at a time. Instances would allow two or three parties to partake in the caravan runs at a time.

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Well, technically 24 people (since there are 3 sets and you can partake in any of them). Also, if you time things right there should be little to no queue. By timing I mean:
Don't do it the moment new content comes out demanding seals (other people are thinking the same). Don't do it just before the next patch (as other people are also thinking: Gosh, got to get my seals up). Consider doing it in the quiet time between.

I think the main issue people have with seals, myself included, is the sheer amount of time required to get 25,000 of them.

Yes, they can be obtained solo. Yes, they're easy to get. You know what it isn't, though? Fun. Hours and hours of repeating the same thing is not fun. I don't care if you're the most efficient seal farmer in the world, it still take several hours of dedicated effort to get 25,000 seals. For gear? That's fine. But simply for the chance at doing a quest / rank-up? It just seems excessive.

I always thought the seals were meant to reward us for our efforts with gear, but most people are stuck hoarding them for rank ups.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

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But see, it's not just that.

Also too, I've been playing since beta, played xi for 4 1/2 years and have played a handful of other mmos, so I am no stranger to them. I'm just saying.....and pointing out....that to me it seems stupid to do the same thing over and over and over.....like I said in my original post, just when i think I'm done spamming something, they add another thing that requires you to spam it even more. Bad enough that I spammed CC/AV for Darklight gear, THEN had to do it for AF quests, NOW we have to do them AGAIN for a small % chest drop. Wasn't bad enough to spam Ifrit over and over for weapons, NOW we have to do it again, and this time even HARDER than before. Wasn't bad enough that when DH came out, we all spammed it for "endgame" gear at the time.....Then had to do it for Af gear, NOW we have to do it again for the Relics.


I know that they are just giving us something to do, and are making use out of what they have in 1.0, until 2.0 launches, I get that. I understand that it makes no sense to put dev time and money into a client that has -3 months left in it, I get that. I also understand that they want current players to have something to look forward to....I get that. But leave some of this shit for 2.0. I'd rather they hold off on some things, so this massive spam fest doesn't ruin the actual content itself, and ultimately the game. I sincerely hope in 2.0 this changes.

Oh, look! It's an 2002 MMO all over again!

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Originally Posted by Raldo

I think the main issue people have with seals, myself included, is the sheer amount of time required to get 25,000 of them.

Yes, they can be obtained solo. Yes, they're easy to get. You know what it isn't, though? Fun. Hours and hours of repeating the same thing is not fun. I don't care if you're the most efficient seal farmer in the world, it still take several hours of dedicated effort to get 25,000 seals. For gear? That's fine. But simply for the chance at doing a quest / rank-up? It just seems excessive.

I always thought the seals were meant to reward us for our efforts with gear, but most people are stuck hoarding them for rank ups.

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Let's do some maths!
Caravan run will net between 500-1000, but let's use 750 (as that's pretty common to get). Therefore, 750 every 15 minutes is:
750 * 4 = 3000 seals per hour!

Now, let's say I decide to average one hour a day to caravan runs. Over the course of a month, I would get:
3000 * 30 = 90,000 seals!

Okey, let's say that's too much. Let's say I want to only do caravan runs an average of 3 hours a week:
3000 * 3 = 9000 seals / week!
9000 * 4 = 36,000 seals / month!

So, if you contribute to your grand company that you joined and choose to be an upstanding member of a mere 3 hours per week, you will earn 36,000 seals a month!

Now let's spend those seals!
After 1 month you have 36,000 seals.
You spend 25,000 seals to get a promotion, leaving you 11,000 seals.... but wait! That's not all! You now unlock a quest, and this quest rewards you with............. 5000 SEALS!!!!
Finish your quest, and you end up with 16,000 seals!

What does this mean? Be a good member of yoru GC for 3 hours a week, and after a month, after a promotion, after your quest, you STILL have 16,000 seals!

Keep up the good work soldier, and a month later (before 1.23) You'll get another 36,000 seals putting you at..... 52,000 SEALS!!!!! Time to go shopping and buy that lovely new Lieutenant's Weapon (or 2)!

All this (and more!) can be had for only 3 hours per week! Run, don't walk, to your nearest recruitment center and sign up now! Remember, service guarantees seals!

Previous promotions have cost 10% of your previous seal capacity, so that would make a promotion from Chief Seargent 4,500 seals.

Bill = 25,000 seals.

/scratches head

Must be special...

I'm just going to add this here...
That's a pretty realistic amount of effort required to go from sergeant to officer.
Hell, i'd know, it's going to take me five to ten years plus a lot of study (or the closest RL has to grinding). Not to mention the courses...
I don't care if it's a suddenly huge price or whatever just- That makes this wildly hilarious to me and i'm all for this just because of that.

I agree...Caravans should be instanced. It's stupid that only one party can do at a time. 24 players in the entire world doing caravan while other sit around and wait.

Let's be honest for a minute. Caravans are the only way to farm seals that aren't a waste of time. While Ifrit runs do provide seals the drop rate is too infrequent to make it worth while as just seal farming.

Darkhold runs are fairly decent since a small group can do it now and the drops at the end are worth 1-2k seals each I believe. The rank up can be a long-term goal and best of all apparently the Commemorative Coin you get from completing the rank up quest can be traded in for 25,000 seals essentially giving you the weapon for free.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

best of all apparently the Commemorative Coin you get from completing the rank up quest can be traded in for 25,000 seals essentially giving you the weapon for free.

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Can someone confirm this?! That would be awesome! ^_^ How do you trade it in?

I have to agree, The amount of spaming 2 priamal runs (With the crappist drop rates) and 3 raid/dungeons (which everytime i have done them is just speed through them as fast as people can is hard to get seals. I do like the fast there are the caravans, and the supply mission and leves to help earn seals as well. But i also agree with the fact that there needs to be something to work towards in that aspect.
I liked the stuff like dynamis and stuff that i could only do a couple times a week, atleast you didn;t get overly burned out with in a week... becuase there were 4 cities. Plus there was more content, and planning involved than just run through to the 1st boss, then more running and getting the end boss.. really there as been other forum post kinda talking about this, but really keep the speed run dungeons/raids, but add some content dungeons... thats still working towards something with out makeing the end goal so blatently out of reach...
Just my opnion.

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Originally Posted by SayuriHime

Can someone confirm this?! That would be awesome! ^_^ How do you trade it in?

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It's true. Once you've done your 25k quest and saluted to the guy you can go to the black market and trade it in for 25k.

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Originally Posted by Ramis

I have to agree, The amount of spaming 2 priamal runs (With the crappist drop rates) and 3 raid/dungeons (which everytime i have done them is just speed through them as fast as people can is hard to get seals. I do like the fast there are the caravans, and the supply mission and leves to help earn seals as well. But i also agree with the fact that there needs to be something to work towards in that aspect.
I liked the stuff like dynamis and stuff that i could only do a couple times a week, atleast you didn;t get overly burned out with in a week... becuase there were 4 cities. Plus there was more content, and planning involved than just run through to the 1st boss, then more running and getting the end boss.. really there as been other forum post kinda talking about this, but really keep the speed run dungeons/raids, but add some content dungeons... thats still working towards something with out makeing the end goal so blatently out of reach...
Just my opnion.

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Nothing is stopping you from only doing caravans/leves/dungeons a few times every so often so you don't get burned out, and you can rotate between things. 25k seals is not that much time especially in caravans or darkhold drops. Once the initial rush for caravan seals dies out it should be easier to go at your own pace.

@Sayuri if you don't know where the black market is, you can check it out here.

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Originally Posted by Risae

It's true. Once you've done your 25k quest and saluted to the guy you can go to the black market and trade it in for 25k.

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Just traded mine in! Thank you! ^_^

Sweet been trying to figure out who gives it to you. Thanks guys. Do you think it will be worth more to the black market npc after 2.0 comes out?

Doubt it but there's no point in sitting on it. Come 2.0 there will undoubtedly be better/more plentiful/more variety seal options anyway.

I don't actively try too hard for seals and am currently sitting on about 17K. Sure, I'll do the occasional toto-rak speed run with a friend, or turn in some branches if I remember it's Sunday/Wednesday and I have them. Every little NM that crosses my path meets it's destruction in the name of seal and sure, if I see a Chocobo-mission I'll jump in if there's room. And When I'm leveling in my area, I'll even pick up a leve or 2. And of course, I try to do the missions that reward seals...but I don't say 'Hey, KK, lets go do caravans for 3 hours for seals.'

Doing a little a couple times a week gets you further than you think. Heck, I even occasionally make the 'heros of the adders' list with this method. You only need to 'try' to get seals if you want an item NOW! Otherwise, just throw in a company-related something 2-3 times a week and you'd be surprised how far you get. ...speaking of, I have some boots and a cane I can turn in...

Keep in mind, I AM working on relic, but as I don't have 9/9 on the hamlet items, I still have time to earn the remaining 8Kish seals I need. Maybe if I'm still shy a couple when i'm 7/9 on seals, I'll worry more.

Is there any use for the coin other than trading it to the qiqirn for seals?