Living Dead Sucks

First of all i'll say that i'm not a Dark Knight main, but it is my favourite tank since i played its story back in HW and i use it once in a while when i do stuff with my friends..

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So.. yesterday we where doing Eureka Orthos and, since my friends all hate to tank, i decided to do it, i even like it from time to time, and i really love DRK.

We get to a mob with four arms, he does "Forearm attack" and all 3 of my friends get obliterated, i am alone against him but i start to lose health like crazy, i popped Living dead and i see soon after that i become "Walking dead".
I kill him.

I am ESTATICH for a second: it is i think one of the two, three times that i manage to use the tank invulnerability correctly and in a meaningful way in a Decade or more of FF14 (sure, i dont play tank OFTEN, but still...)..

..But soon the ecstasy leaves the place to PANIC. I'll die. I know that i'll die. How much the F*ck does a hyper potion heals? I dunno, i use it.. my hp barely goes up. I immediately target the healer and start "CASTING" a Phoenix Down (f+ck this cast).
The cast goes 1.. 2.. 3.. FOUR!!!!!.. (HOW MUCH THE HELL IS LONG THIS CAST? I checked gamerscape and eorzeadatabase and cant find it)..

I DIE..

FUCK

ME

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I would like to ask.. What should have i done? But i know prob the answer would be: played another tank.. But i hate "good boy" paladin, "i have a big dick" warrior or "whatever i am" gunbraker.
I like "i hate everyone" Dark Knight. T_T

So my request... Since they changed Leaving dead to have something like a life steal when in living dead, pls add that when you go out of combat but still not healed to full, you lose the zombie status, cause.. if i can't attack nobody, wth i am suppose to leech? if you want to stay in lore just make up that i heal with my enemy's life

i'm sad.

Garten

Living Dead since 6.1 is one of the best invulns, if anything.

I'm not sure why you were panicing with Walking Dead active, as every weaponskill [Hard Slash, Syphon Strike, Souleater, Bloodspiller, Quietus] and spell [Unmend, Unleash, Stalwart Soul] will heal you for 1500(!!) cure potency per target

You have a minimum of four GCDs (weaponskill or spell) to use for a total of 6000 cure potency, five for 7500 potency if you have a moderate amount of skillspeed and time your actions with the start of the effect. You will live 10/10 times if you keep attacking, unless your HP recovery is lowered from Weakness reducing your Strength for example.

Dying because you suddenly have no targets anymore is a fair trade-off, given all the benefits it has. Granted, the "out of combat" clause COULD be interesting, but it isn't a dealbreaker.

Living Dead is fixed and great, no changes required. Keep playing, you'll get used to it. One nuance of the invuln alone shouldn't deter you from using it in Deep Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Living Dead since 6.1 is one of the best invulns, if anything.

I'm not sure why you were panicing with Walking Dead active, as every weaponskill [Hard Slash, Syphon Strike, Souleater, Bloodspiller, Quietus] and spell [Unmend, Unleash, Stalwart Soul] will heal you for 1500(!!) cure potency per target

You have a minimum of four GCDs (weaponskill or spell) to use for a total of 6000 cure potency, five for 7500 potency if you have a moderate amount of skillspeed and time your actions with the start of the effect. You will live 10/10 times if you keep attacking, unless your HP recovery is lowered from Weakness reducing your Strength for example.

Dying because you suddenly have no targets anymore is a fair trade-off, given all the benefits it has. Granted, the "out of combat" clause COULD be interesting, but it isn't a dealbreaker.

Living Dead is fixed and great, no changes required. Keep playing, you'll get used to it. One nuance of the invuln alone shouldn't deter you from using it in Deep Dungeons.

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As i said, the enemy died soon after Walking Dead kicked in..
Sure, maybe mine was a very niche situation, but my point is that WITH EVERY OTHER INVULNS i would have survived ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just noticed that the heal effect, as you said is HUGE (i swear i tought it was 150 pot, not 1500.. i didn't remember a zero >_>).. Maybe i should have attacked an enemy in the near distance and healed myself?

You know what i hate?

THAT I CANT TRAIN SOMEWHERE... I wanted to try to use it and see on my skin how much it is-- I wish there was more than just training dummies.. but real training situations where train all your skillset..

(for example i wanted to train PVP Gnb skills but i can't junction shit by myself)

I ignored OPs post because it's wrong but I just wanted to say Dark Knight is so cool, reply this post if you like this job please.

It's probably still there to this day but I lost a 199 DRK solo in potd to living dead.

Is what I'd like to say but living dead is great now. I only died because I got absolutely hammered with no item / debuff floors and gambled and lost on 199 debuffs. Was thrust into a lose lose situation with proximity enemies (undead knights). With great power comes great responsibility, or keeling over.

Living Dead is BETTER, but you can still die. Yours is sadly one of the cases where death is still possible with it.

You know there is an NPC outside that sells regen pots exclusively for each Deep Dungeon respectively, so while it won't get you all the way to full, it will definitely take a chunk of the burden off.

But yea, using inexperience as a basis for your argument is a pretty weak foundation. You can practice using Living Dead in the overworld by pulling a bunch of mobs, final EW zone for example, let you're health get low, pop Living Dead, effect triggers, then get yourself out of Walking Dead, ez practice.

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Originally Posted by Garten

(for example i wanted to train PVP Gnb skills but i can't junction shit by myself)

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Ask a friend to 1 v 1 you in Wolves Den Pier so you can practice???

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Ask a friend to 1 v 1 you in Wolves Den Pier so you can practice???

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Better yet - ask your friend to be a specific role -> Draw & Junction -> run out -> have fun on a striking dummy.

Re-using Draw & Junction on a striking dummy grants you the cartridge without losing the Junction.

Living dead after the change has been nothing but amazing,

Eh I dont hate it just wish that after you heal to full you can still heal after till the duration is over makes me sad when Im still low hp after fighting to get the debuff off

Hah! I had a similar issue lately running O12S with 3 tanks. War, Gnb, and me as Drk.
One point where we had to invuln the twins' ...zoomies (I don't know what people call it). They flash around and do a boatload of damage.
They also go untargettable for like 5 seconds afterwards. If I timed it just right, I could get about 2 seconds at the end to heal myself before I died, but it was like a 1 in 5 chance that I could pull it off.

Am I the only one who preferred Walking Dead without the self heal? The Undead Rebirth addition was great since it meant you no longer get punished for being healed too much and having your invuln canceled out early but I really liked the synergy LD had with the healer. Now you can just self heal yourself out of Walking Dead on your own - no input by the healer needed.

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Originally Posted by Alltair

Am I the only one who preferred Walking Dead without the self heal? The Undead Rebirth addition was great since it meant you no longer get punished for being healed too much and having your invuln canceled out early but I really liked the synergy LD had with the healer. Now you can just self heal yourself out of Walking Dead on your own - no input by the healer needed.

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You may be in a very small player pool who thinks this way. Many absolutely hated the fact that compared to every other tank they were completely at the mercy of their Healers or if present, their Paladin.

That on top of essentially being a more complicated and worse version of Holmgang with only downsides while Warrior always had good ways to recover HP or reduce a decent chunk of damage was a major put-off for many.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

You may be in a very small player pool who thinks this way. Many absolutely hated the fact that compared to every other tank they were completely at the mercy of their Healers or if present, their Paladin.

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I guess I'm in the minority for wanting more teamwork in my team based game.

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Originally Posted by Alltair

I guess I'm in the minority for wanting more teamwork in my team based game.

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The problem was it was the only tank that dealt with this. WAR can essentially heal itself from 1HP so it doesn't need a healer too much. Same with GNB since they are 1HP with full invuln. PLD is full invuln period. It made no sense for DRK to be the only tank that needed the help of the healers to survive. If the rest of the tanks had the same problem, nobody would have batted an eye (they'd just be annoyed that all tanks dealt with this). But DRK should not be the odd one out, the only one punished. The change to LD was much needed, and now they need to deal with the other "only DRK" problems.

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Originally Posted by Alltair

I guess I'm in the minority for wanting more teamwork in my team based game.

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But it still does? Living Dead doesn't make you invulnerable, in serious content all the self heal really achieves is allowing DRK to resolve the mechanic on its own. You're still going to be pretty low health at the end of it.

Living Dead in Abyssos basically was just holmgang with how much Bleeds and autos ate into the self healing.

XD back then you use to panick when living dead had to be popped....

NOW YOU BEG TO DIE JUST TO POP IT XD living dead is so much more fun than it use to. :o Honestly I don't see much of a problem with it...unlike Gunbreaker points gun at head drops HP1 panic Invul seriously....

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Originally Posted by Elizasylen

Living dead after the change has been nothing but amazing,

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It still sucks because Healers don't play along with it, but that is the incompetence of the players.

what i am talking about? I run dungeons with Dark Knight now and i often fall very low on health when the healer is bad, so i use Living dead, but the healer doesnt stop healing me and i stay on 10-20% health without Living Dead triggering and it runs out, i have not even once encountered a healer in a dungeon stop healing and let it trigger so i can heal myself back fully.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

It's really good! 1500 cure potency on any ability that does damage (Even plunge.) Weave some OGCD's and you're back to full in a split second.

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Only Weaponskills and Spells (so GCDs) work, abilities (oGCDs) do not work for this.

These actions interact with Living Dead

Hardslash
Syphon Strike
Souleater
Unleash
Stalwart Soul
Unmend
Bloodspiller
Quietus
Bozja/Eureka actions labeled as Weaponskill or Spell that inflict damage