So do spine drops just… not work?

Got hit by a removable paralysis while running eureka orthos so I popped my spine drops that have been sitting in my inventory since the dawn of time just to get a message saying they had no effect…

We don’t get paralyzed that often in this game, it would be nice if when we do, the item that exists specifically to remove paralysis would… remove paralysis…

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Got hit by a removable paralysis while running eureka orthos so I popped my spine drops that have been sitting in my inventory since the dawn of time just to get a message saying they had no effect…

We don’t get paralyzed that often in this game, it would be nice if when we do, the item that exists specifically to remove paralysis would… remove paralysis…

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It might only work on paralysis debuffs that can be cleansed by esuna. Not 100% sure if that's the case but that's what I'd imagine the problem to be.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It might only work on paralysis debuffs that can be cleansed by esuna. Not 100% sure if that's the case but that's what I'd imagine the problem to be.

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Nope, it was a removable paralysis, had the line above it.

They really need to remove these items from the game if they don't work anymore.

Did you maybe get interrupted by the paralysis effect while trying to use the item?

They forgot. Nobody at the company expected any players to keep that trash in their inventory. It's the truth. But there's always someone. I'm not criticizing you for doing so, it's just the most likely explanation.

I always have spine drops on my hotbar when playing non-healers; I absolutely hate getting paralyzed. They do indeed work in regular content, but I haven’t tried the deep dungeon yet. What Iscah said above does happen quite often. That seems a likely possibility.

Can't tell what the specific circumstances are..,
Haven't had a chance to use spine drops in Orthos yet.., and Echo had very few uses..,

Will have to see later on..,

But there really shouldn't be a reason for its lack of work.., let's see after the maint.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Got hit by a removable paralysis while running eureka orthos so I popped my spine drops that have been sitting in my inventory since the dawn of time just to get a message saying they had no effect…

We don’t get paralyzed that often in this game, it would be nice if when we do, the item that exists specifically to remove paralysis would… remove paralysis…

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They absolutely still work, I use them regularly. It could be some unusual circumstance or it could be them mislabeling the paralysis as removable when it isn't. Spine drops won't remove non-Esuna-able paralysis.

Your action probably got interrupted by the paralysis.

contrary to popular belief apparent in this thread, there's different kinds of paralysis/stuns that despite sharing the same icon aren't actually the same 'ability'/debuff so to say. it's the same with poison and other debuffs. i'm not sure why they did it the way they did but my supposition is that instead of reusing the debuff that already exists, whoever was making those actions used by enemies decided to just re-make them OR they're all so similar that the wrong debuff is occasionally chosen which isn't affected by the potion meant to cure you of that status.

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Originally Posted by Denji

contrary to popular belief apparent in this thread, there's different kinds of paralysis/stuns that despite sharing the same icon aren't actually the same 'ability'/debuff so to say. it's the same with poison and other debuffs. i'm not sure why they did it the way they did but my supposition is that instead of reusing the debuff that already exists, whoever was making those actions used by enemies decided to just re-make them OR they're all so similar that the wrong debuff is occasionally chosen which isn't affected by the potion meant to cure you of that status.

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Different enemies have a different classification of paralysis. Some are removeable, hinted by the line above it. Some can't be removed at all, like in some raid/dungeon fights.

If it DID have a line on it and it didn't get removed, then it's either being interrupted by the paralysis (There's a kind that ticks every 3 seconds, and some that are just random with huge gaps between stun ticks), or they thought there was a line above it and it didn't remove it.

I keep a full stack of 999 on me of both spine and echo drops when I go into any deep dungeon. They've saved my arse a ton, when I can remove it that is.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Different enemies have a different classification of paralysis. Some are removeable, hinted by the line above it. Some can't be removed at all, like in some raid/dungeon fights.

If it DID have a line on it and it didn't get removed, then it's either being interrupted by the paralysis (There's a kind that ticks every 3 seconds, and some that are just random with huge gaps between stun ticks), or they thought there was a line above it and it didn't remove it.

I keep a full stack of 999 on me of both spine and echo drops when I go into any deep dungeon. They've saved my arse a ton, when I can remove it that is.

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no, you don't get it. it's more than that.

there are multiple types of the same skill that do the same thing but -aren't- the same. this is apparent when you see certain NPCs cast certain abilities in job-quest based instances such as cure. it's not the real cure that we use but an altered form.

They still work, you were paralyzed and the action was probably interrupted by it.

Sorry if this has been pointed out by a lot of other people.

There seem to be some paralysis effects that are not removed by spine drops despite having the esuna icon on them. Want a quick example? First pull of Antitower. Here, I recorded it twice, once with esuna successfully removing the debuff afterward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM0rSImSII4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9wY5HG3-lY

Please note the potions go on CD. This wouldn't happen if the action was interrupted. Nor would you get floating text about it doing nothing.
Here, combat log too. Feel free to go hop in there yourself and try it. I only discovered this one due to tank runs of it during SHB relic stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/Arr6BhB.jpg

Antitower is the only one I have encountered that has done this, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear there are others out there.

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Originally Posted by Denji

no, you don't get it. it's more than that.

there are multiple types of the same skill that do the same thing but -aren't- the same. this is apparent when you see certain NPCs cast certain abilities in job-quest based instances such as cure. it's not the real cure that we use but an altered form.

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The Cure but isn't Cure is normally used by people who can't use aether.

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Originally Posted by Erakir

There seem to be some paralysis effects that are not removed by spine drops despite having the esuna icon on them. Want a quick example? First pull of Antitower. Here, I recorded it twice, once with esuna successfully removing the debuff afterward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM0rSImSII4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9wY5HG3-lY

Please note the potions go on CD. This wouldn't happen if the action was interrupted. Nor would you get floating text about it doing nothing.
Here, combat log too. Feel free to go hop in there yourself and try it. I only discovered this one due to tank runs of it during SHB relic stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/Arr6BhB.jpg

Antitower is the only one I have encountered that has done this, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear there are others out there.

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That's really interesting. I wonder if this flavor is left over from before we had the white line. That got added to show what could be cleansed with cleansing abilities, but maybe they missed some for items.

I did also notice when I looked up spine drops to check the item text what it says

"This alchemically crafted restorative instantly cures most instances of paralysis."

But this does almost seem like a bug or at least something that should be visually indicated with a different icon.

The spine drops did not work with the basilisk thingies in the new Deep Dungeon. I tried, and yes, the usage was not interrupted. Likewise I have tried antidotes on various poisons specifically labelled as Poison and not have them removed, though Esuna would work. Wonder if they should just retire these items... only one that inspires awe is Echo Drops, since it can save your party's bacon in Duty Finder.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...266.1623386251

Easily replicated, for those that do not believe it was anything other than user error.

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This alchemically crafted restorative instantly cures most instances of paralysis.

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Sounds like the Paralysis in Eureka Orthos is not included in "most". Only the developers could say for certain whether it is intended or an oversight but I suspect it's probably intended.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Sounds like the Paralysis in Eureka Orthos is not included in "most". Only the developers could say for certain whether it is intended or an oversight but I suspect it's probably intended.

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They put “most” in descriptions to account for instances that are specifically meant to ignore such things (in this case to account for debuffs that are simply not supposed to be cleansed). Tank invulns for example all have “ignores most instances of damage” in their description to account for, say, an enrage or ultimate attack that will kill you even with an invuln up.

I don’t think it’s the intention of the “most” descriptor to allow them to make it completely arbitrary if they will work or not.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

The spine drops did not work with the basilisk thingies in the new Deep Dungeon. I tried, and yes, the usage was not interrupted. Likewise I have tried antidotes on various poisons specifically labelled as Poison and not have them removed, though Esuna would work. Wonder if they should just retire these items... only one that inspires awe is Echo Drops, since it can save your party's bacon in Duty Finder.

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I think if they wanted to do that then they would need to give us a cleanse on all classes. Because paralysis is still one of those effects that has a significant effect and tanks and non-bard DPS can't always avoid getting hit with it. The most egregious example I can think of is the trash if a tank doesn't stun it on Puppet's Bunker. Not having the ability to clear your own paralyze there when the healers won't is debilitating for DPS. I always keep Spine Drops handy for that section, even though you usually get hit with it again before they're off CD.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

They forgot. Nobody at the company expected any players to keep that trash in their inventory. It's the truth. But there's always someone. I'm not criticizing you for doing so, it's just the most likely explanation.

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People who try to solo POTD/HOH and now EO definitely keep a stock of these things on hand.

Looks like this needs a write up or 20 into the bug form.