just did aetherochemical research facility for the first time since it was changed, didn't even know it was change and its horrible. its probably the worst change i have even seen i a mmo. i mean seriously, what were y'all thinking! guess this means i will take the penalty, because it is not fun at all and i wont be doing it again.
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03-06-2023, 04:26 AMBoldprintaetherochemical research facility changes
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03-06-2023, 06:48 AMElkanahWhat's the horrible part about it that bothers you exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boldprint
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03-06-2023, 07:52 AMArohkI think the new bossfight is a lot better than the old one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
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03-06-2023, 08:03 AMElkanahI think so too! I thought it was an improvement. Considering how many new players died because they didnt get pulled into the abyss on the room-wide aoe, it helped alleviate the issues entirelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Arohk
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03-07-2023, 03:14 AMJojoya
Players had been asking SE for a long time to fix ilvl sync issues on end of expansion MSQ duties that made them too easy compared to other less important duties and SE finally delivered.
It's definitely an improvement even if it's going to take players off guard their first time through, especially if they're used to the old version.
Like other fights, it's not that bad once you learn the mechanics. -
03-08-2023, 07:39 AMBoldprint
its the new boss fight, its not better it sucks, no one was asking for harder msq content. they made very punishing, before if a someone was new and under geared the rest of the group could carry them through and you wouldn't be stuck in that crap hole for a hour. now it just sucks.
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03-08-2023, 08:15 AMTiramuThats not the approach you should be taking, and is a player problem not a game problem. The new fight isn't even that hard, if you're rolling up under geared to the point that you need a hard carry through content then there is an answer to that. Gear up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boldprint
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03-10-2023, 05:53 AMJojoyaWhich is absolutely incorrect. There are many players that have been asking for MSQ content to be increased in difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boldprint
Normally i disagree with them but when it comes to the original versions of the initial expansion level cap duties, I usually agree. It's an awkward experience when new players do the level 59/69/79 dungeons and ilvl sync places the party at an appropriate ilvl for the dungeon then turns around at the first level 60/70/80 dungeon and ilvl syncs the party to X.5 ilvls instead of starting X.0 ilvls so it's faceroll. Those duties end up a letdown for what should be the more memorable moments of the MSQ.
Now Ascian Prime feels like an Ascian Prime (comparable to the player level) where in the past it was "I thought Ascians were supposed to be powerful and dangerous, this was easy". You can still carry that one player through the duty if the rest know what they're doing. Right now, we're still in the learning period as players who haven't been in the duty since the change get used to the new mechanics. As more learn them, runs will go more smoothly.
If you're struggling, use Duty Support to practice. The NPCs know what to do, learn from them. -
06-04-2023, 10:40 AMArdeth
Just had to vote abandon it. The new player we had was too new, and the other folks kept eating the aoes. I was the only one not just dying left and right. I saw that vote abandon pop up, and I bounced. Way way way way way, too over tuned for newer players. I was explaining it to them, and it was not even registering in their brains. What was SE thinking? I'm going to auto leave from it from now on. Seriously, no joke. I'm not dealing with that again. That is a new player meat grinder.
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06-04-2023, 01:13 PMIscah
I have done this dungeon a few times since the remake – one was a bit rough but overall I have not had issues with it. It was better than trying to tell people to get in the black holes for Universal Manipulation, and having to mass-Esuna them afterwards.
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06-13-2023, 05:59 AMVenjenz
Just did this today, and if you know the fight at all, the last boss is not punishing at all. The only sorta kinda "punishing" mechanic is the ice + fire ability where you have to remember the "dodge shorter tether first" rule. Oh, and when the "group up in a line" indicator appears...uhm...group up in a line. The group up indicator really confuses people, and not just in the Aetherochemical Research Facility. :confused:
Beyond that, it is not really that bad. Tedious because two full phases of boss...but "punishing?" -
07-09-2023, 10:07 PMvetchFirst two times I did it, people either missed, forgot (because 30s delay), or didn't understand the chain tethers, and if you don't react to them fast enough they either kill you or lay on so many vulns that you're liable to topple over. If it happens to the healer, it's early enough in the fight that it's a wipe. I can see 'punishing'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venjenz
I get why people are leaving this dungeon. Really. It already didn't give any unique glams (I don't need any more Poetics, bruh) and now the boss can actually wipe you over a single mistake, which is unusual for a pre-70 MSQ boss.
Didn't have to do any of that, the debuffs were not dangerous at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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07-09-2023, 11:49 PMIscahI do agree with that part of it. I feel like it's a mistake that they don't have any gear available in there – it would be good to add a set, even if it's just a copy of existing gear. The different exact colour schemes still make duplicate sets valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by vetch
Same with the ARR finale and the Aitiascope. I feel like participation in that one must have dropped off considerably compared to other level X9 dungeons when it's up the dead end of the levelling roulette and doesn't have anything to tempt people into running it. -
07-11-2023, 06:29 PMFrizze
I try to run aitiascope once or twice a week cause i dont have the untradeable mini yet. I eventually got the bird, i eventually got the snek, i hope to one day eventually get the troll. But yeah, there isnt much reason to run it otherwise. You spend SO little time at lvl 89 comparatively.
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07-11-2023, 06:44 PMvetch
It'll eventually see more use, a couple months or so after the next expansion launch and levelcap increase, when people finish getting free story EXP on their mains and begin to level up their level 90 alt jobs with leveling dungeon spam. Probably.
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07-12-2023, 12:03 PMNoox-115I won't say its a bad dungeon in its boss but the 12 individual pull to get to the end of it its really f annoying it feel long and not that entertainingQuote:
Originally Posted by Boldprint
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07-12-2023, 12:14 PMMostly_Raxus
its a major fight story wise and very lore relevant, it needs to be a challenge, you are overcoming a strong opponent. get gud. take the game journalist mentality elsewhere, its like all of 3 mechanics, and it asks the bare minimum that you pay attention..
its not like its forcing you to do an ultimate or even a savage fight to get to the next cut scene, it just has fail-able mechanics that require you to watch and act. -
07-14-2023, 04:49 AMSnowVixso you can't just zone out and ignore mechanics like it's Crystal Tower, therefore it's bad? you and i have different ideas of what "bad content" is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boldprint
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07-15-2023, 03:51 AMPost
It's not even the new mechanics that are making it more difficult, it's just that it's properly tuned to EW job action potencies at the ilvl your party is constrained to. The older mechanics were arguably harder, not universal manipulation but depending on players to aim the donuts properly, not slide into explosions, get each other's tethered orbs... They were all ignorable because of how fast the boss dies and how much more HP the party has.
I'd imagine from the perspective of a new player that's hitting the story beats the first time and engrossed in the drama that they might feel underwhelmed if the bosses didn't at least pretend to put up a fight. If not threatening to actually win, then at least living longer than a random plant monster they fought climbing up Sohr Khai. They're major story villains; their encounters should at the very least serve the story and not undermine it.
Like, the following Trial was never hard, but it probably felt way more climactic and awesome for any people that finished it and got to see the boss struck dumbfounded and flailing in impotence than the ones that got to .1% and then we're forced to wait through a playable cutscene they could probably just afk for because the boss just refused to die until special move because he's a actually a bunch of polygons in a video game.