Samurai in CC...

Pretty much the worst class ever. id much rather be playing as a warrior or gunbreaker.

Skill issue.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Skill issue.

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Not really, outside the LB gimmick it’s pretty bland and weak compared to other melees. Mainly because all the « big » hitting abilities have longass casts… for a melee with no slows or snare and a single very short stun on CD.

Compare to monk, ninja or dragoon, and it is indeed not very good.

If you have to play a melee go with one of the three above or play Warrior/DRK. They have really good utility and if you play your cards well you can feel your contributions to the team.

Ok, then play warrior or gunbreaker.

GNB is really fun, you can catch a lot of people off guard with how bursty it can be ;0

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Not really, outside the LB gimmick it’s pretty bland and weak compared to other melees. Mainly because all the « big » hitting abilities have longass casts… for a melee with no slows or snare and a single very short stun on CD.

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Now I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your message, but SAM, no snare? What the heck is hyosetsu if not a snare?

SAM is decent. You shouldn't sleep on it.

However I will agree that you're better off picking a different melee, especially at a high level. Your dps will get shafted up there unintentionally, and unlike the other melees SAM's dps will be inconsistent. You can blame the button reduction for this.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Not really, outside the LB gimmick it’s pretty bland and weak compared to other melees. Mainly because all the « big » hitting abilities have longass casts… for a melee with no slows or snare and a single very short stun on CD.

Compare to monk, ninja or dragoon, and it is indeed not very good.

If you have to play a melee go with one of the three above or play Warrior/DRK. They have really good utility and if you play your cards well you can feel your contributions to the team.

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They have an aoe root.

SAM isn't top tier, but played correctly they can solo kill faster than the other melee without the need of a LB combo with the exception of DRG.

I'm fine with SAM being bad in PvP seeing as the weeb jobs get the PVE bias.

Gunbreaker is based, btw. Really like playing it in pvp

This is gaslighting to keep people off sam

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

I'm fine with SAM being bad in PvP seeing as the weeb jobs get the PVE bias.

Gunbreaker is based, btw. Really like playing it in pvp

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GNB is crazy fun. I just wish junction worked differently.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Now I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your message, but SAM, no snare? What the heck is hyosetsu if not a snare?

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Same as the stun : 2s, not worth a note as it’s a gcd.
That’s why I mentioned root/snare (proper ones), as it’s sorely lacking with a melee job that has its main abilities have casts.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

Gunbreaker is based, btw. Really like playing it in pvp

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I main GNB in PvE but sadly in PvP it’s just not game changing compared to the other tanks. You have a choice to either do decent damage but be weak or do wet noodle damage and be very tough (not as paladin but still decent to hold a point on your own for a bit or prevent captures in Frontline).

I just went with Warrior in the end for PvP (I just play frontlines these days). The utility with the AoE stun that also works as gap closer, the grip/pull… it just doesn’t compare. GNB has one of the worst LBs as it can be completely denied with a simple stun or well placed cc. Wish they improved it.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Not really, outside the LB gimmick it’s pretty bland and weak compared to other melees. Mainly because all the « big » hitting abilities have longass casts… for a melee with no slows or snare and a single very short stun on CD.

Compare to monk, ninja or dragoon, and it is indeed not very good.

If you have to play a melee go with one of the three above or play Warrior/DRK. They have really good utility and if you play your cards well you can feel your contributions to the team.

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Honestly, monk and dragoon are amazing for CC, ninja is.... okay tbf

Everyone's stuns are only 2-3 seconds. It's fine the way it is. Should it be off the global? Probably, but it's still fine. The only thing I would change is adjust their cast times or just remove them.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

Honestly, monk and dragoon are amazing for CC, ninja is.... okay tbf

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Lmao what? Nin is amazing in CC.

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Originally Posted by Kansene

GNB is really fun, you can catch a lot of people off guard with how bursty it can be ;0

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Oh yeah, GNB was alot of fun in ranked when i somehow managed to 3 shot people.

I still think the skill ceiling is too high for SAM. It really needs to be a bit more accessible, but if you ever see an actual good SAM, you will never again say that it's weak outside of its LB. They are a scary bunch when they know how to combo and time things correctly.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

I still think the skill ceiling is too high for SAM. It really needs to be a bit more accessible, but if you ever see an actual good SAM, you will never again say that it's weak outside of its LB. They are a scary bunch when they know how to combo and time things correctly.

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never see a good samurai, i seen really good reapers though.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

never see a good samurai, i seen really good reapers though.

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should dc travel to primal theres quite a few

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Originally Posted by RyanCousland

should dc travel to primal theres quite a few

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i think i'll pass, i hear primal is the closest thing to a WoW server. no offense of course.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

i think i'll pass, i hear primal is the closest thing to a WoW server. no offense of course.

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You mean they have a Goldshire somewhere ?

I main GNB in PvE but sadly in PvP it’s just not game changing compared to the other tanks. You have a choice to either do decent damage but be weak or do wet noodle damage and be very tough (not as paladin but still decent to hold a point on your own for a bit or prevent captures in Frontline).

I just went with Warrior in the end for PvP (I just play frontlines these days). The utility with the AoE stun that also works as gap closer, the grip/pull… it just doesn’t compare. GNB has one of the worst LBs as it can be completely denied with a simple stun or well placed cc. Wish they improved it.[/QUOTE]

It's crazy fun, give it another go. I would never play any of the other tanks over it.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

GNB is crazy fun. I just wish junction worked differently.

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Same, it's great but you should be able to junction allies too.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

You mean they have a Goldshire somewhere ?

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Pretty sure Balmung has that.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Same as the stun : 2s, not worth a note as it’s a gcd.
That’s why I mentioned root/snare (proper ones), as it’s sorely lacking with a melee job that has its main abilities have casts.

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Then your problem is the cast times with SAM, not crowd control abilities. I don't know many that aren't on the GCD (and fortunately).

Personally when I play ranged I don't find SAM the most threatening of all melees (MNK is by far), but I still know that if the player on the other end is competent enough they'll be an annoyance, because unlike other melees they can burst a lot of your HP immediately, a bit like DRG, but unlike DRG, they can actually crowd control you a bit to continue peeling you, with 2 CCs. If my purify is down, or guard down but still some MP left, I don't care about a DRG trying to chase me down if I have enough resources to soak their burst, but I will care about a SAM.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

I main GNB in PvE but sadly in PvP it’s just not game changing compared to the other tanks. You have a choice to either do decent damage but be weak or do wet noodle damage and be very tough (not as paladin but still decent to hold a point on your own for a bit or prevent captures in Frontline).

I just went with Warrior in the end for PvP (I just play frontlines these days). The utility with the AoE stun that also works as gap closer, the grip/pull… it just doesn’t compare. GNB has one of the worst LBs as it can be completely denied with a simple stun or well placed cc. Wish they improved it.

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Obviously GNB isn't great in FLs because a tank with no tools for crowd control of the sort is kinda useless. Maybe the LB can help a little on big enemy blobs, I don't know.

I find GNB in the CC mode actually pretty solid, even though you can't always adjust to the role you want depending on the enemy team comp (it would be a certain advantage otherwise in regards to the matchmaker system, although i wouldn't mind too much), it's still a job that has the option to do so. I actually find the job more threatening for applying pressure to opponents than any other tank. PLD is the one hitting like a wet noodle, WAR only has very good pressure under LB, and DRK will suicide itself if it tries doing it outside of LB and their salted earth. Again, when I play ranged, I actually get seriously pressured by GNB players that essentially play like a melee DPS, even in tank mode. They have so much health (on top of their endless stacks of barriers in tank mode) that you just need to shake them off you else they'll eventually get you. Obviously they don't have cc as a counterpart, but that's the whole deal, else they would just be better than all the other tanks. It's a trade off.

The tank mode actually deals good damage and pressure, what the DPS mode brings is a pretty nasty burst since Blasting Zone and Continuation are actually OGCD, which is more than most melees can say about their kits but DRG.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

You mean they have a Goldshire somewhere ?

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probably! lmao

Can confirm that mateus and balmung has it (balmung has it much worse though)

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

i think i'll pass, i hear primal is the closest thing to a WoW server. no offense of course.

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Nah, It's mostly just full of old blood and serious people. As to the Goldshire comments the quicksand on Balmung is absolutely Moonguard Goldshire complete with sticky floors (somehow...). But you never know where you will find ERP going on anywhere in this game. I went to hermit's hovel for a quest a few months back and walked in on some unsavory behavior.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

Nah, It's mostly just full of old blood and serious people. As to the Goldshire comments the quicksand on Balmung is absolutely Moonguard Goldshire complete with sticky floors (somehow...). But you never know where you will find ERP going on anywhere in this game. I went to hermit's hovel for a quest a few months back and walked in on some unsavory behavior.

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I agree. I'm in Aether but Primal definitely has the best PVPers. The quality of casual CC games are much higher there because people at the bare minimum generally know how to play their class and what guard, recuperate and elixir are. You don't have to deal with as much people who don't know what an LB is, or what sprint is.