Harassment for new healers? How do i block?

Hello, please advise me how to report players for harassing new healers.

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Originally Posted by Cannahbliss

Hello, please advise me how to report players for harassing new healers.

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Blocking and reporting are two different things. To block them, go to your contacts and add them to your blacklist from there. To report them, go to the support desk menu, and find the report for harassment option. If you are reporting someone, make sure it actually is genuine harassment that you are reporting them for. I haven't ever seen an example of it happening, so not 100% sure if this is true, but I have heard that obvious and/or malicious false reports can be punishable.

I feel like we need context. I bet the so called harassment is probably someone telling them they weren’t doing well,maybe even offered tips and they are just upset that the person said something.

Go to the System menu, then Support Desk > Contact Us.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I feel like we need context.

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Why? So that the forums can tell the OP how wrong they are and mock them?

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I feel like we need context. I bet the so called harassment is probably someone telling them they weren’t doing well,maybe even offered tips and they are just upset that the person said something.

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Asks for context, presumes anyway.

Yes, Report Harassment as shown above, or if you have something more specific you want to report, you can click Information and then look at the FAQ for specific forms to submit to the support desk.

Mad respect to Robyn for showing how to report, as per OP's request. Didn't seem like an invitation to discuss the validity of OP's concerns.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I feel like we need context. I bet the so called harassment is probably someone telling them they weren’t doing well,maybe even offered tips and they are just upset that the person said something.

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Agreed. Everything is harassment now. Even when it’s not. Context matters no matter what people say. However, ultimately, gm’s will look at chat logs and make the decision. Can’t see innocent people getting punished

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I feel like we need context. I bet the so called harassment is probably someone telling them they weren’t doing well,maybe even offered tips and they are just upset that the person said something.

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Context for what? They are asking how to report not share their experience.

Really says everything about the ffxiv community that when someone says they’re harassed or otherwise treated badly so many replies go straight to ‘bUt DiD yOU dEsErVe iT’

Nobody deserves to be harassed.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Really says everything about the ffxiv community that when someone says they’re harassed or otherwise treated badly so many replies go straight to ‘bUt DiD yOU dEsErVe iT’

Nobody deserves to be harassed.

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Nothing wrong for asking for context to try to make sure the OP isn't sending in a false report, even if they want to skim on most of the details.

We have no idea if said person was even harrassed or treated badly in the first place. We only know they want to report someone and there is a chance they are sending in a false report.

We are at a point where just politely asking someone if they would be willing to do X instead of Y under Z circumstances can be and occasionally is construed as harassment on these forums. Plenty of actual harassment does go on in the game despite the somewhat draconian ToS, but even still, knowing the facts doesn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Really says everything about the ffxiv community that when someone says they’re harassed or otherwise treated badly so many replies go straight to ‘bUt DiD yOU dEsErVe iT’

Nobody deserves to be harassed.

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Yeah yeah, someone asked for context and immediately written in harrasment supporters. Nothing new.

So called "harrasers" are the most harrased group of people.

But whatever. Go on, bring light and justice.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I feel like we need context. I bet the so called harassment is probably someone telling them they weren’t doing well,maybe even offered tips and they are just upset that the person said something.

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No, you do not need context, the purpose of the thread is to specify how to report someone, not whether the report itself is valid. Frankly, that is for the GM to decide when they read the report, not you.

I love how we all became automatic juries when joining this forum. /s

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Originally Posted by Caddo

Nothing wrong for asking for context to try to make sure the OP isn't sending in a false report, even if they want to skim on most of the details.

We have no idea if said person was even harrassed or treated badly in the first place. We only know they want to report someone and there is a chance they are sending in a false report.

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It is not our place to judge if a report is valid or false. Let them report and allow GM's to sort it out. Let's be real at the core context is mostly being sought out in a desire to be nosey.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Really says everything about the ffxiv community that when someone says they’re harassed or otherwise treated badly so many replies go straight to ‘bUt DiD yOU dEsErVe iT’

Nobody deserves to be harassed.

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I feel for OP tbh. When I first started healing as a newbie, first time ever playing an mmo let alone ffxiv, people shit talked my healing/failed mechs and it was the worst experience in this game. Mostly cause if the healer dies, the group wipes and it takes more time to do everything. Like I get it and completely understand the frustration but the players in this game are not very patient when it comes to brand new healers. (not all ofc, but a good bit)

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, you do not need context, the purpose of the thread is to specify how to report someone, not whether the report itself is valid. Frankly, that is for the GM to decide when they read the report, not you.

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Then they could have asked how to report in general without claiming anything at all. They started with offering more info than needed. With the way this community can be, you can’t blame people for being cynical and wanting a bit of context.

Big difference between “healer is bad” and “quit the game, you suck, hope you die”

You can blame people for victim blaming, though, and I do.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Then they could have asked how to report in general without claiming anything at all. They started with offering more info than needed. With the way this community can be, you can’t blame people for being cynical and wanting a bit of context.

Big difference between “healer is bad” and “quit the game, you suck, hope you die”

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They didn't claim anything, they simply asked a question - The only person claiming anything was the person I quoted with the "I bet the so-called harassment is probably someone" nonsense, that's all there is to it, whether you know the context behind it is entirely irrelevant, they felt harassed in the given situation, and felt it appropriate to report/block - Frankly, having insight into the context is irrelevant since you yourself cannot do anything with it, the only person that can is the GM

Again, it is for the GM to decide whether it constitutes harassment, nobody else.

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Originally Posted by Caddo

Nothing wrong for asking for context to try to make sure the OP isn't sending in a false report, even if they want to skim on most of the details.

We have no idea if said person was even harrassed or treated badly in the first place. We only know they want to report someone and there is a chance they are sending in a false report.

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It's none of our business if they are sending in a false report. It's irrelevant to the question. The recipient of the report can decide that. We aren't the paid community or GM team.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Really says everything about the ffxiv community that when someone says they’re harassed or otherwise treated badly so many replies go straight to ‘bUt DiD yOU dEsErVe iT’

Nobody deserves to be harassed.

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Actually, it's a testament to this community that there was only one. Not ten immediately, like other MMOs.

Keep in mind, forums have a higher proportion of complainers than the actual game does, generally, so I find these forums more entertaining than annoying. Also, in FFXIV you can *do something* about harassers. Not so, other places. They're mainstream in WoW, for example. Cussing people out for a small mistake, while the rest of the group insta-leaves, in a dungeon they've never run before, is not uncommon.

And that is why I'm all in favor of keeping the TOS as it is. if you want to vent your spleen at people, go find another game, imo.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

It's none of our business if they are sending in a false report. It's irrelevant to the question. The recipient of the report can decide that. We aren't the paid community or GM team.

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Might be a tad relevant when you realize that over the past few years it went from GM's actually taking the time to message players back and start up a conversation to more than not nowadays getting a copy/paste response which shows either

1) Lack of GMs

or

2) Huge amount of reports to shuffle through

So I will stand by yes, it is relevant.

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Originally Posted by Caddo

Might be a tad relevant when you realize that over the past few years it went from GM's actually taking the time to message players back and start up a conversation to more than not nowadays getting a copy/paste response which shows either

1) Lack of GMs

or

2) Huge amount of reports to shuffle through

So I will stand by yes, it is relevant.

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It's not. We aren't decision makers for the GM team, how it is staffed, or what reports are worthy of their time. Even if we have opinions, they don't matter here. But you can double down when I'm sure what you really want is forum drama.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

I love how we all became automatic juries when joining this forum. /s

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You think the /s was necessary?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

They didn't claim anything, they simply asked a question - The only person claiming anything was the person I quoted with the "I bet the so-called harassment is probably someone" nonsense, that's all there is to it, whether you know the context behind it is entirely irrelevant, they felt harassed in the given situation, and felt it appropriate to report/block - Frankly, having insight into the context is irrelevant since you yourself cannot do anything with it, the only person that can is the GM

Again, it is for the GM to decide whether it constitutes harassment, nobody else.

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Claimed they were being harassed as a new healer. Simply could of asked how to report.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

You think the /s was necessary?

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You’d be surprised

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

You think the /s was necessary?

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Damn near mandatory.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Claimed they were being harassed as a new healer. Simply could of asked how to report.

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What one would or wouldn't perceive as harassment is not something you can really say. Different individuals would have a different baseline for which it would be deemed as harassment, in this sense harassment is largely a subjective endeavour, to which they're within their right to claim that as much as they like.

Comparatively, the following statement "I bet the so-called harassment is probably someone..." - This is both a baseless claim and only one which ultimately only attempts to undermine the situation with an irrelevant monologue.

The other poster could have simply answered the question, but they did not, all they did was proclaim they needed to know the context (which wasn't even relevant to the question) and then proceeded to spew out an irrelevant stigmatized monologue.

Edit: They can report as much as they like if they deem it a valid report, and the GM can either dismiss the report and eventually suspend the account making the reports (given falsified and all), or they can sanction those harassing, assuming they deem the report as being valid. Again, their judgment call, frankly, not yours, and most especially a poster with a clear agenda who seemingly couldn't even be objective when making their post.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

What one would or wouldn't perceive as harassment is not something you can really say. Different individuals would have a different baseline for which it would be deemed as harassment, in this sense harassment is largely a subjective endeavour, to which they're within their right to claim that as much as they like.

Comparatively, the following statement "I bet the so-called harassment is probably someone..." - This is both a baseless claim and only one which ultimately only attempts to undermine the situation with an irrelevant monologue.

The other poster could have simply answered the question, but they did not, all they did was proclaim they needed to know the context (which wasn't even relevant to the question) and then proceeded to spew out an irrelevant stigmatized monologue.

Edit: They can report as much as they like if they deem it a valid report, and the GM can either dismiss the report and eventually suspend the account making the reports (given falsified and all), or they can sanction those harassing, assuming they deem the report as being valid. Again, their judgment call, frankly, not yours, and most especially a poster with a clear agenda who seemingly couldn't even be objective when making their post.

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100%. Weird how anyone could think random players on these forums are gatekeepers of using the game's customer service that is available for everyone.

OP didn't ask for advice as to whether the forums thought their concern was valid or not. They didn't provide details to vent or get our opinions either, as in "tales from the dutyfinder." They had a simple question that was answered on Page 1.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

100%. Weird how anyone could think random players on these forums are gatekeepers of using the game's customer service that is available for everyone.

OP didn't ask for advice as to whether the forums thought their concern was valid or not. They didn't provide details to vent or get our opinions either, as in "tales from the dutyfinder." They had a simple question that was answered on Page 1.

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See, I would have been inclined to agree with the poster if their post implied this:

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You can make a report by going to the System menu and then going to the support desk and clicking contact us, and then report harassment. Just keep in mind that repeated, and potentially falsified reports can be sanctionable.

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They, however, did not. Just proceeded with a random, and quite frankly irrelevant interjection. Didn't even have the common courtesy of answering the question and wanted to do this...

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

OP didn't ask for advice as to whether the forums thought their concern was valid or not. They didn't provide details to vent or get our opinions either, as in "tales from the dutyfinder." They had a simple question that was answered on Page 1.

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Exactly. OP was asking how to use a feature, not asking if people wanted to know why they wanted to use said feature. The most that anyone should have answered with is "This is how you do it, and just be aware that if it's a false report that can be risky". If people wanna have a discussion about false reporting, that's fine but not sure why that has to involve doubting the validity of OP's desired report.

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Originally Posted by Bladedance87

I love forum drama so please let OP elaborate the context so the carnage can begin hahaha

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Hmmm... maybe on second thought, we should be demanding that OP elaborate. Forum drama is indeed a delicious breed of drama.

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(for the humor illiterate, this is indeed a joke)

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

It\\'s not. We aren\\'t decision makers for the GM team, how it is staffed, or what reports are worthy of their time. Even if we have opinions, they don\\'t matter here. But you can double down when I\\'m sure what you really want is forum drama.

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I love forum drama so please let OP elaborate the context so the carnage can begin hahaha

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Blabber.

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You said they didn’t claim anything. I pointed out the claim. Right in the title of the thread. Why you continue to pursue with me is unknown. You were simply wrong

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Originally Posted by Bladedance87

I love forum drama so please let OP elaborate the context so the carnage can begin hahaha

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=D I will admit they said enough to invite questions and curiosity for sure - it's just they don't have to answer them to submit their report.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You said they didn’t claim anything. I pointed out the claim. Right in the title of the thread. Why you continue to pursue with me is unknown. You were simply wrong

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Why you continue to double down on semantics is beyond me, I've just pointed out they're not really equivalent, the OP being a matter of making a claim belonging to their own experience and 'feelings' - Nobody has substantial justification to tell anyone how they should feel or what is/isn't valid in this regard, on the other hand, trying to construe their experiences on absolutely no base nor evidence for that matter whatsoever... That you could not refute the previous argument substantially enough really shows who exactly is wrong -here. But hey, you do you.

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Originally Posted by Bladedance87

I love forum drama so please let OP elaborate the context so the carnage can begin hahaha

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This is the real reason for wanting context. Hell, if people were more open about it we would have less issues.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Why you continue to double down on semantics is beyond me, I've just pointed out they're not really equivalent, the OP being a matter of making a claim belonging to their own experience and 'feelings' - Nobody has substantial justification to tell anyone how they should feel or what is/isn't valid in this regard, on the other hand, trying to construe their experiences on absolutely no base nor evidence for that matter whatsoever... That you could not refute the previous argument substantially enough really shows who exactly is wrong -here. But hey, you do you.

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It’s not semantics.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

It’s not semantics.

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Well done if you have actually managed to convince yourself of that.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Well done if you have actually managed to convince yourself of that.

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Semantics example:
Person A; “put your toys away”
person B; “they’re not toys, they’re action figures”

Not example of semantics:
You; “they said nothing”
Me; “they literally said something”