Dragoon Fall Damage

Ever since Ninja came about back in 2.0, I always wondered why Dragoon didn't have fall resist like Ninja after jumping from a certain height that would cause damage to your character.

Does anybody know why this is?

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Ever since Ninja came about back in 2.0, I always wondered why Dragoon didn't have fall resist like Ninja after jumping from a certain height that would cause damage to your character.

Does anybody know why this is?

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Originally they did, but SE took it away when the floor tank memes started. Few people noticed but it’s in the patch notes way back in HW

I've always felt that they should be invincible when jumping because they aren't on the ground when an aoe hits.

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Originally Posted by Conadrium

Originally they did, but SE took it away when the floor tank memes started. Few people noticed but it’s in the patch notes way back in HW

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Really? Dam, that sucks. Though, was it because of the meme or something else? Dumb question, I know, but still... :'3

I mean if you want to look at in a technical fashion, the point of the Dragoon job is to take the force from those falls an turn it into the damage inflicted on the target, they are not meant to take the force of their own attacks onto themselves. Ninjas however are meant to be lithe and quick on their feet so they would train in a fashion to distribute their weight to minimize impact from falls while Dragoon is supposed to do the opposite, they want their falls to have force behind them.

EDIT: That being said, fall damage is more like an accident, people can do things that are normal in their profession all the time and still somehow end up injured so yeah, ninjas are prepared to deal with fall damage whist dragoons are not because for dragoons to do so is them intentionally holding back.

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Originally Posted by Ascended_Demon

I mean if you want to look at in a technical fashion, the point of the Dragoon job is to take the force from those falls an turn it into the damage inflicted on the target, they are not meant to take the force of their own attacks onto themselves. Ninjas however are meant to be lithe and quick on their feet so they would train in a fashion to distribute their weight to minimize impact from falls while Dragoon is supposed to do the opposite, they want their falls to have force behind them.

EDIT: That being said, fall damage is more like an accident, people can do things that are normal in their profession all the time and still somehow end up injured so yeah, ninjas are prepared to deal with fall damage whist dragoons are not because for dragoons to do so is them intentionally holding back.

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That makes alot of sense. Particularly for the lore of Dragoons and Ninjas. :D

For how the Dragoon meme came about, Estinien must have been shaking his head in shame for how could so many of his fellow Dragoons die in so many varying embarrassing ways. xD

should Dancers take fall damage because their kind of like a ninja light on their feet and nibble.

Make a backwards jump from a cliff and you won't have fall dmg.

Wait, Dragoons used to have self-damage when they use their jump skills in HW? That has to be the stupidest thing Ive ever heard about this game.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Wait, Dragoons used to have self-damage when they use their jump skills in HW? That has to be the stupidest thing Ive ever heard about this game.

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They didn't.

Paladins shouldn't take falling damage. After all, the fall doesn't kill you, the ground does. So they can block it.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Paladins shouldn't take falling damage. After all, the fall doesn't kill you, the ground does. So they can block it.

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:T I don't know if that would really apply, given what we know happens to Haurchefant

That's what happens when you don't use your cooldowns.

DRG aside, I've always wondered why they force fall damage in some instances. I know she's digital, but I hate it when my character expresses pain.

I like it when you have shields up that protects against damage. But they don't stop anything of the fall damage. Another you're in a mount that hovers off the ground, but you can still take fall damage in none flying zones.

I still find it funny how we're able to just faceplant into the ground from dozens of feet in the air in the Byakko fight without even a smidge of damage when the Catastrophe fight in the same expansion does the same thing and it does hurt..

In short, Dragoons are excellent jumpers but poor fall-ers. They must fall on a target to break their fall, which transfers all their kinetic energy into the target. See below

http://www.nuklearpower.com/comics/8...ter/070913.png
http://www.nuklearpower.com/comics/8...ter/070915.png

You'd almost feel bad for Black Mage if he wasn't a horrible little monster.

It's all in the past..,
though I'd think in normal traversal that they'd be immune to fall damage if 1hp while being chased.., but maybe I'm just thinking cliffs in the Forbidden Land..,

Interesting info regardless for those who may never been around then.
[inb4 someone wonders what other classes had.] like how Aetherial Manipulation still gets you hit, just like rescue and the rdm gap closer despite the fact you don't touch the ground on the first two.

Either ways, Interesting info about DRGs I'll likely forget again.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I've always felt that they should be invincible when jumping because they aren't on the ground when an aoe hits.

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Sadly, you are on the ground. You have T8 terrain exploits to blame for that (between T5 and T8 terrain exploits are pretty much the main reason why boss battles in this game now tend to almost universally be on samey Fighting Game style arenas).

Since then, no ostensible "teleport" or "jump" or other insta-movement class ability has been allowed to operate in the intuitively expected way: All such abilities now actually rapid-move you along the ground for the movement vector, so you only visually jump or warp, but if there's something in between (like a cliff - see level 73 dungeon or a few boss arenas that have a "hole in the middle" setup - or a persistent ground AoE), you will still be treated as having tried to run through it.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Wait, Dragoons used to have self-damage when they use their jump skills in HW? That has to be the stupidest thing Ive ever heard about this game.

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Nah, the memes were just contemporaneous and for other reasons (DRG armor used to have low MDef in a game where most major AoEs tend to be magic, jumps caused animation locks which made DRG have more trouble than most to dodge said AoEs, and they used to have a DPS buff that caused you to take more damage as well).

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I like it when you have shields up that protects against damage. But they don't stop anything of the fall damage. Another you're in a mount that hovers off the ground, but you can still take fall damage in none flying zones.

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Yeah, these seem to both be across-the-board norms in MMOs too.

WoW has exactly the same kinda behavior, where shields (unless it's a total invulnerability - and now that I think of it I'm not sure if Hallowed Ground prevents
fall damage or not, LOL) don't do anything against things like fall damage.

And yup, also the same thing with mounts (complete with it being your mount grunts or makes crashy sounds but it's you who take the damage ... then again, what major MMO games actually even have mount HP systems anyway besides LOTRO - where you actually don't take fall damage anyway unless it is fatal, otherwise you get an injury debuff but no HP loss - and Black Desert?)

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Originally Posted by Amarande

Sadly, you are on the ground. You have T8 terrain exploits to blame for that (between T5 and T8 terrain exploits are pretty much the main reason why boss battles in this game now tend to almost universally be on samey Fighting Game style arenas).

Since then, no ostensible "teleport" or "jump" or other insta-movement class ability has been allowed to operate in the intuitively expected way: All such abilities now actually rapid-move you along the ground for the movement vector, so you only visually jump or warp, but if there's something in between (like a cliff - see level 73 dungeon or a few boss arenas that have a "hole in the middle" setup - or a persistent ground AoE), you will still be treated as having tried to run through it.



Nah, the memes were just contemporaneous and for other reasons (DRG armor used to have low MDef in a game where most major AoEs tend to be magic, jumps caused animation locks which made DRG have more trouble than most to dodge said AoEs, and they used to have a DPS buff that caused you to take more damage as well).



Yeah, these seem to both be across-the-board norms in MMOs too.

WoW has exactly the same kinda behavior, where shields (unless it's a total invulnerability - and now that I think of it I'm not sure if Hallowed Ground prevents
fall damage or not, LOL) don't do anything against things like fall damage.

And yup, also the same thing with mounts (complete with it being your mount grunts or makes crashy sounds but it's you who take the damage ... then again, what major MMO games actually even have mount HP systems anyway besides LOTRO - where you actually don't take fall damage anyway unless it is fatal, otherwise you get an injury debuff but no HP loss - and Black Desert?)

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I can confirm Hallowed Ground does not save you from fall damage.

Source: Broke both of my legs and my spleen running away from a mob in Eureka.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

I can confirm Hallowed Ground does not save you from fall damage.

Source: Broke both of my legs and my spleen running away from a mob in Eureka.

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