Enrage timer visibility

What do you think of fan enrage timer visibility whether on the side of the screen or beside the boss HP? Would it be helpful or harmful and why?
I'm just asking because I learned that a MMO has it as an official feature to track the enrage counter against the boss HP and thought it cool.

It's not a bad idea and I see where you are coming from, but seeing the enrage timer is not going to lead to more success. If anything it might cause undue stress. You already know when the boss is going to enrage based on where they are in their mechanic timeline. The bosses are very scripted and because of that you practically always know how far or close you are to wiping or clearing. Don't need a gauge for that.

A displayed timer would be redundant here. Generally, mechs happen x amount of times before you get an enrage. In EX5, the second immolation is followed by one final pair of pie puzzles before the enrage nuke is cast.

I feel like this would end up making a lot of people give up early. If there's an easy way to suicide in the fight then it'll just end up being like: "Oh, we're not on schedule to beat enrage. Alright, everyone jump off the platform, let's start over."

It's irrelevant in this game because fights are scripted. The mechanics mostly happen in the same order and once you've seen the fight, you know exactly when the enrage cast is going to happen and it becomes muscle memory. It always comes after the script of mechanics that happen near the end.

It's also irrelevant because we know roughly how long it takes until enrage in most battles. 9-14 minutes, except obviously ultimates, because they are not simple 10 minute fights with a single boss. But even then once you've seen enrage you know exactly when it's coming.

If mechanics were completely random, it would be hard to train your brain to expect enrage after a certain pattern of mechanics and the feature would be more important, but they just aren't that random here.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

If anything it might cause undue stress

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In case people consider this not true, it is true. And for a very specific reason:
You can compare the stats of the 2 (health, enrage progress).

In a lot of games with 2 tracking stats, people will constantly compare these 2 and use this as a measurement, you must always be ahead. But this is usualy not how it works. Even after a damage rotation, you might be behind, but due to cooldowns recharging, and the boss doing an animation (where the enrage pauses), the next part after you can suddenly boost ahead again.

A normal person wont care too much about it and look at it as a sort of assistance, but there are also people who will instantly call a failure upon reaching behind. And its those people that are a major issue causing even more stress. They will cause negativity to exist in the team (which normaly causes a downward spiral).

Especialy when people are new, they will either be looking at it as 'this is impossible' (which at that time they already should expect anyway), or also try to constantly beat that line (which again is not how you properly learn). This only takes focus away from learning the mechanics. Once you know enough mechanics and reach that final state where you can see it charge up, you already start to have a good idea anyway, and know most mechanics. At that point it comes down to optimizing, and while such line can help at that, its the earlier steps that are a problem here.

Maybe however for older raids it might be a welcome tool to have. As especialy when overgeared, the expectation to be ahead most of the time is more realistic.

With how the game is designed this is essentially just asking for a time display on individual attempts. Sure, why not. This isnt going to really do anything about enrage specifically, rather it's going to help you remember what mechanic is coming up next before the cast bar shows up.

There are already plenty of instances where an "enrage gauge" is put on the screen in the game. And the sky is not falling.

When Eden's Gate came out, I got my very first E3S kill thanks to the very very very long wind-up animation before the damage happens.
I'd prefer it that players are warned of "enrages" as late as possible, since people throwing themselves off prematurely when the bosses are at sub 1% is kind of troublesome. (Unless it's a case of the boss going invuln, then sure... swan dive away)

Have no feelings about the add-phase kind of enrages though, they're kinda just there

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Originally Posted by Azuri

There are already plenty of instances where an "enrage gauge" is put on the screen in the game. And the sky is not falling.

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That's sort of a different kind of enrage.
A "do this mechanic before the timer or you'll wipe" rather than a "if the boss isn't dead by the end of this cast you'll wipe".

The former tends to be mid-encounter, where the latter is the full stop end of the fight.

Well, this is already in the game. Althyk and Nymeia have a timer buff below their HP bars (I think it's 6 minutes?) which marks a hard enrage timer, and though I've never seen it go off, having something like that pop when you're in the last phase of a SVG, EX or Ultimate is far from farfetched.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

That's sort of a different kind of enrage.
A "do this mechanic before the timer or you'll wipe" rather than a "if the boss isn't dead by the end of this cast you'll wipe".

The former tends to be mid-encounter, where the latter is the full stop end of the fight.

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Vast majority of those gauges are "kill X thing before the bar is full". It is no different than a full fight enrage.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Vast majority of those gauges are "kill X thing before the bar is full". It is no different than a full fight enrage.

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Fair, but it's not always so. The mid phase in the Eden Shiva phase comes to mind.

I'm just not sure what adding a full fight enrage timer actually adds, you know?

Maybe it's needed if you keep playing with people that get wiped a lot.
When you got a actual squad you don't even get there.

I guess, though not necessary.

Often its clear when you hit Enrage. Players also use " Forbidden-Allagan-Technologies " to see the fight duration time while knowing when the fight ends i.e at Enrage, making a digital countdown for an Enrage bar maybe overkill? I can see the appeal though. What I much rather would have? is a visual upgrade of the Enrage Cast bar to differentiate it from a Normal cast. Atm there's no difference. Have the dev's adjust the Enrage Cast Font to increase in size and back to normal like a slow " Heartbeat " that beats faster as it nears the end of its cast, putting an extra emphasis that " This is the Final cast ". Bonus for extra immersion and that Yoshi also likes visual indicators that he said once in an interview.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Well, this is already in the game. Althyk and Nymeia have a timer buff below their HP bars (I think it's 6 minutes?) which marks a hard enrage timer, and though I've never seen it go off

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My first run of the new alliance raid was a little less then an hour after the servers came online on patch day in what i assume was a full blind run(it was early enough that it would have been hard for someone to have run it once and still made our que, but i acknowledge that it wouldnt have been impossible). You saw what felt like a couple deaths on every mechanic from every boss. We only had one wipe though, and it was to the A&N enrage. One or two of the healers disconnected early in the fight, and the rest of the healers were dying a lot. Low mana and lack of healing lead to even more deaths, and slow ressing(if i remember the makeup right, we didnt have a single RDM and only one SMN in the entire alliance to help) meant we saw that timer hit zero. I was dead on the ground at the time, and had been for a fairly long bit. As the timer was ticking off the final seconds, the people still standing seemed like they might have given up. But everyone respawns, we use the telepod to return, and the second try was much cleaner and we easily cleared with plenty of time to spare.

The real way to play the game is blindfolded. All you need is the audio ques

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

The real way to play the game is blindfolded. All you need is the audio ques

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There are legally blind people clearing this stuff, so you're not wrong :p