I would like to be able to craft better gear. I leveled the crafters to get better gear. But currently at item level 577 I can't really craft much in terms of better gear. And I'm honestly not sure what to do. I've tried looking up sites and guides, but they don't really seem helpful. Everyone has the best gear telling me I can do it with x gear and I still can't. I've tried Reddit, but everyone thinks I'm lying or something. I was hoping since this is the official forums maybe there's something someone can tell me. I'm clearly missing some important piece of the puzzle. I'm clearly not understanding crafting it seems. Even at level 90 I can barely craft anything. It just feels awful and I want to pull myself out of this rut.
Kinda lost on crafting and not sure what to do.
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01-21-2023, 08:29 AMArdethKinda lost on crafting and not sure what to do.
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01-21-2023, 08:41 AMCaimie_TsukinoI can help with this. Would you please tell me in details:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
(1) Your 3 stats: Craft/Control/GP, and the food/medicine that you use when you craft.
(2) The item(s) that you have trouble with to craft (Were they the new i620 Indagator's gear? Or the i590 Pactmakers's gear from earlier patches?)
(2) Your rotation that you used to craft - I can help with adjusting it according to your stats. And if I cannot, I can point to you how to fix your stats. -
01-21-2023, 08:47 AMArdeth1-Craftsmanship-3477/Control-3204 not sure what GP is. Like gathering points? Or did you mean CP? My CP 501. I never use anything to craft. I just craft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
2-Pretty much anything above 90.
3-I honestly don't really have one. I try to get the quality to 100 and then the durability to 100. I've never used a macro. I normally can make like leve stuff high quality.
Sorry like I said for whatever reason when I ask people about crafting advice they tend to turn their noses up at me. Like I offended them or something. I'm just trying to actually use my crafters. -
01-21-2023, 09:08 AMTiramu
I think it would be helpful if you posted your entire crafter loadout and your crafting rotations. The best crafting recipes in the game are going to need something like HQ Pactmaker gear that has been pentamelded with a HQ loadout to HQ those recipes.
Also, if you've been macro crafting (or crafting in a routine thats similar to macros), this is where that can come to bite you in the butt. An understanding of the crafting system, how to increase quality efficiently and handle RNG changes goes a hell of a long way.
I know you've said that you've never used a macro. But, that you couldn't answer Caimie's question (which is super important for crafting HQ endgame stuff) with any detail might indicate that your problem could be that you just don't understand how crafting works properly and maybe need to read up on how the crafting skills work. Maybe even create an Alt and try crafting lower level recipes at HQ which are higher level than you to practice the fundamentals. -
01-21-2023, 09:15 AMArdethI'm in pretty much a full set of the purple scrip level 90 gear. Perfectionist I think is what it's called. I'm not sure what pentamelded is but penta is 5 so 5 materia? I've never really messed with mareria. I don't use macros. Sorry I'm still really confused when it comes to crafting. I have everything but like 4 classes at 90, but I feel like I have everything at level 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiramu
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01-21-2023, 09:26 AMCaimie_TsukinoSorry, I meant "CP". I was on the DoL forums just before I came here and saw your post, so my finger automatically went to GP (Gathering Points) instead! CP is "Crafting Points".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
Well, it all makes sense now... You have sufficient stats to craft at least Endwalker 2-star recipes, but when I was doing my 2-star recipes, I had >650 CP (after food + medicine).
Apparently, perhaps you're one of the newer level 90 crafters who doesn't know the priorities of the 3 stats yet?
Please remember the "Golden Rule of Crafting" is that "CP>Control>Craftsmanship".
CP is actually the most important stats to max out on. So if any gear/tool have a melding cap of higher than 2 CP, you want to make sure to max them out as much as possible (if the gear has only a melding cap of 1 CP, then probably can ignore).
The food and med I used were:
Tsai tou Vounou HQ (CP+26%, Max 78; Control+25%, Max 76)
Cunning Craftsman's Syrup HQ (CP+6%, Max 16)
As you can see, both focused on pushing CP.
So back in the earlier patches of EW, when I was crafting 2-star recipes, my pre-food CP stats would have been over 650-78-16 = 556 CP, which is at least 55 CP higher than yours.
With your current low level of CP, it is very difficult to craft anything HQ at all above level 90. For instance, if you're almost 60 CP below mine, you will have to rely on 3 extra Tricks of the Trade to have sufficient CP to perform a rotation that I did.
For 70 durab items, you can always just use more HQ mats to help. But that would mean you need to HQ the 35 durab items first.
My 35 durab item rotation back in the old days was:
/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Veneration" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Final Appraisal" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis"
/echo EW 2* 35dur #2 631cp Complete! <se.6>
This 2-part macro rotation needs at least 631 CP.
You have 501. So even if you use Tsai tou Vounou HQ and Cunning Craftsman's Syrup HQ, you only have 595 CP.
We now have stronger food and med, so Jhinga Biryani HQ can add 86 CP, and Cunning Craftsman's Draught can add 21 CP. But even with that, your total is only 608...
That would mean you still need to take 2 Tricks of the Trades during the above rotation to execute it.
I think you need to consider removing some materia from your gear, and put in more CP. It's a painful process, but your CP (your most powerful stats) is just way too low right now.
Keep in mind that crafted DoH PANTS and BOOTS have a very high capacity to hold more CP. So if you're to remeld, you should think about pants and boots first. Then think about mainhand and offhand tools, as well as accessories. Hat, Chest piece and Gloves DON'T have much CP that can be added.
I'll tell you a story... Back in Heavensward, I played a little game... I stripped myself naked, and wore only accessories with fully melded CP, and used a level 1 mainhand and level 5 offhand, and I managed to successfully craft a level 50 item HQ (I think I got the quality bar to around 70%?). I think you need to learn to appreciate the power of CP!
I think my comprehensive crafting guide may be of help to you:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/
Ch7 talks about the Golden Rule of Crafting
Ch9: Crafting Conditions
Ch10: Generating a Crafting Rotation
Ch11: Common Mistakes that Novice Crafters Make
Ch12: Learn to Modify Rotations According to Conditions
Ch13: Macro-crafting
I think the above chapters will help you out greatly to send you to the next "level" of crafting :) -
01-21-2023, 09:29 AMTiramuI'd add to the post above that this might also be part of your problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
Depending upon what you're crafting then Perfectionist might not be enough. Perfectionist is fine for casual crafting of some Lv90 recipes if you have Level X materia melded to it and understand crafting well. But the higher tier Lv90 recipes are going to want Pactmakers that are pentamelded with Level X materia. And yes, Pentamelded is where you overmeld your gear and for reference you can't pentameld Perfectionists.
So, I'd recommend getting yourself into some HQ Pactmakers and learn about materia melding - if only so that you understand gearing and have the best gear for endgame recipes. At least then you know whether its you, or your gearing.
This guide might help:
https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxiv/craf...ame-guides-hub -
01-21-2023, 09:34 AMArdeth
Sorry I'm still really confused. What do you mean by durability? Like when you craft and sometimes it's 80 and sometimes it's 40? Sorry I have trouble learning things. I'm trying to keep up, but I'm getting confused.
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01-21-2023, 09:52 AMICountFrom0
Yes, durability is the 80/60/40/30 points of actions that can be done on an item before it breaks.
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01-21-2023, 09:56 AMCaimie_TsukinoJust quoting from my guide's Ch7:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
Ch7: Craftsmanship, Control, CP, and the Basic Mechanics of Crafting
The 3 Crafting Stats
Crafting is simply: Within a given amount of durability (durab), use "touch" actions to hit 100% on the quality bar & use "synthesis" actions to hit 100% on the progress bar to complete the craft. 100% quality bar will guarantee you an HQ item (high quality), which has better stats than an NQ one (normal quality).
A crafter has 3 kinds of stats: "Craftsmanship" contributes to the strength of your synthesis, "Control" contributes to the strength of your touches, and "CP" (Crafting Points) allows you to perform different crafting actions. The RNG (random number generator) of FF14 is your greatest enemy. You can hit 96% HQ rate, and it can sometimes still give you NQ products more often than you expect. So you should always try your best to hit 100% on the quality bar.
At low levels, Craftsmanship & Control seem more important, because you don't have many actions to utilize anyway. However, soon, the truth will come out:
The Golden Rule of Crafting:
CP > Control > Craftsmanship
...CP is actually the most important stats out of all 3! -
01-22-2023, 10:10 AMJojoyaIf it would be easier for you to learn by asking questions in game I have 2 characters on Marilith. I could try to find a time when we're both available to go over crafting steps..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
It can be done with a full set of melded Perfectionists but it will require use of mostly HQ materials to consistently get a HQ product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiramu
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01-23-2023, 11:03 PMArdethI would appreciate it. No rush mide you. I'm still waiting for my leves to refresh so I can push the last two to 90. Hopefully I can actually figure this out and gear myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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01-30-2023, 03:18 PMShadygrove
In my experience the scrip gear is close to crafted gear enough for the chest piece and mainhand tool. This is past tense, no idea for today.
Crafted and penta melded (this means blowing up a LOT of expensive materia), is way better in every other slot except off hand tools. I rarely go over 4 melds on my tools saving the 5th just in case.
My stats non specialist: Craft, 3731: Cont, 3575: 588 CPs. I can use cheap food for most crafts and way less than Tasi tou V for the hardest crafts.
I can share macros if you like. -
01-30-2023, 11:23 PMICountFrom0
I'm quite willing to gather my own, make my own HQ pieces, and then use those HQ pieces instead of exploding millions of Gil going to pentameld. I'll meld the slots. I'll push one past, or two past if I get serious, but I stop there.
Once when I felt really serious, I spent a gold certificate on a 5 slot crafting chest piece... this was before you could get mounts from that. -
01-31-2023, 03:41 PMJojoyaJust want you to know I haven't forgotten you. So far I haven't had luck catching you online. My sleep schedule does change and soon it won't overlap the time of day you originally posted this if that's the best time to catch you online.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
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01-31-2023, 05:13 PMMasekase_Hurricane
When the crafting skills all changed I found it daunting and didnt want to relearn. I then eventually came round to the idea, looked up current macros and looked up each skill with the tooltips on. This way I could see why each skill was being used at each point. Also use trial synth if worried about trying a new recipe.
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02-03-2023, 12:31 AMArdethMost days I'm on after 7pm est. I tend to have Sundays off, but if you need to I can get on at a specific time. You are helping me after all. I've been busy with IRL stuff. But I'd still be very appreciative of help. I got everything to 90, but I haven't done much crafting outside of custom deliveries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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02-03-2023, 06:28 PMJojoyaNo need for either of us to go out of our way to be online at a certain time. We'll connect eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
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02-17-2023, 11:30 PMArdeth
I've been starting and stoping on trying to learn it. I've hit a brick wall with gathering gear that I didn't keep up with. I'm still trying to figure it all out. Currently there's folklore tokens I need. Shoutout to the teamcraft discord helping explain it to me on a level I can understand. Currently I'm trying to take stock of what I can gather and what I can't. I had a quick and dirty intro into melding since despite playing since 2013 I've never actually melded gear. I'm trying I really am. And if my learning disability butt can figure it out I can help others who are stuck like me.
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02-18-2023, 05:31 AMICountFrom0
Trick is, because folklore is white gather scip, you don't really need to be endgame, just grab any collectable that you can do easily and fill your invintory. Spend time to save difficulty.
And yha, discords are lovely, you'll find people who solved the problems your looking at and can explain it. Forums, well, you'll get answers eventually. -
02-18-2023, 10:08 AMJojoyaI made it to Maduin and had your name come up in player search finally a couple of minutes ago just to send you a tell and have you either log off or go into an instanced duty so i got "[17:02]Message to Peter RedhillMaduin could not be sent."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
I'll chill here a little bit in case you're in an instance and keep trying (my character is Serene Style)! I'm glad the Teamcraft Discord has been a help for you! -
02-19-2023, 01:08 AMArdethOh, sorry I missed you. I kinda crashed and burned last night. I've been doing loops getting stuff for white scrips. I might take a break doing it until Tuesday. But I'll be on all day tomorrow for the most part. I'm normally off on Sundays. I think where I am at now I need to gather all the items and need and get the necessary food and potions to craft. A lot of the stuff I can't gather yet because of folk lore and buying it is so much money. I might as well buy the gear, but I wanted to do that myself so if it's going to take longer then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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02-19-2023, 05:14 PMJojoya
I probably won't be on until late your time but I'll try to head over to look for you just in case I get lucky. Otherwise I'll try again on Tuesday.
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02-21-2023, 12:24 AMArdeth
I honestly think I need to stop. I'm trying to learn things you guys already know and for whatever reason won't tell or put into guides. Everyone has been really helpful I'm not saying that. It's just this system is so needlessly convaluted. I just want to be able to craft better gear for myself. I just want to be able to craft everything in my log. But I need to overmeld and use food and droughts and all these stat buffs like I'm trying to endgame raid. Maybe this isn't for me. I've spent the better part of a month trying to figure out the ins and outs and for what? I still feel as lost as I did at the beginning of it. I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I know I'm not enjoying it.
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02-21-2023, 12:57 AMMasekase_HurricaneWell to crafters making endgame gear and master recipes is our endgame lol The thing you're doing wrong is trying to run before you can walk. Take a breath learn to hq low recipes and build yourself up to the bigger ones whilst learning what the skills do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
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02-21-2023, 02:33 AMArdethI think the tipping point I'm currently at was finding out that having more stats for a macro is bad. Which is something everyone else knows, but somehow I missed. I was using a guide, but my stats got too good. Apparently, I didn't know that was a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane
I've just been having a hell of a time. I need an actual crafting mentor to help me, but I don't want to inconvenience anyone else. My special needs education is rearing its ugly head. Everyone else is learning it and moving on, and I'm as per usual lagging.
I've just invested so much time into this, and I feel like I've learned nothing. That nothing has really changed, and I hate it. Even when trying to help me, everyone just oozes snark. Like, god forbid, we have to help the simpleton.
Look, I'm rambling, but I'm trying to understand this over complicated for no reason system. I've learned, and yet still, I find things that someone at level 20 already knew. I'm technically a crafting mentor because the qualifications are so laughably easy to get. I could put the crown on if I wanted to and parade around like I didn't just get defeated by a crafting macro. Or that when I tried to reach out for help, I was treated like an idiot.
I'm just sick of it. I'm sick being told I'll understand it, and then I don't. I'm sick of crafting and crafting and upgrading, and still, I can't make anything. I'm sick of it. I want to be better, but I'm apparently just too stupid. So I'm going back to just playing the game and ignoring endgame crafting. I was happier then.
Sorry for the blog, but I'm tired of tackling this alone. -
02-21-2023, 08:27 AMCaimie_TsukinoHow can one be having too much stats for a macro?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
If you're talking about pre-mature completion due to having too much craftsmanship, then all you need to do is just to add in a line of:
/ac "Final Appraisal" <wait.2>
If someone tells you that "having more stats for a macro is bad", he or she is probably not someone you should learn from... It's just wrong on so many levels...
Apart from the fact that Final Appraisal could resolve your problem easily, the other matter is that crafting is not just about stats.
Crafting is about planning a rotation (you need to understand the 'tool kit' of yours to create your own rotations and macros... be creative and innovative about it),
and executing the rotation while catering the favorable conditions that come at you occasionally.
You said you were using a guide... I hope it's not a guide that was just feeding you with macros... cos that's kind of meaningless...
I think Ch9, Ch10 and Ch11 of my guide will be of great help to you:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/
Ch9 is about how to make use of crafting conditions
Ch10 is about how to generate a rotation, and some examples were given to you
Ch11 is about some common mistakes that people make
I have a feeling that you might have been learning crafting in a wrong way...
Instead of overwhelming yourself with overmelds, trying to craft a high-end item, you should have been having fun on utilizing a new action every time you learn a new action... That way, your pool of knowledge in the actions will gradually build up, and eventually be proficient in constructing your own combos and rotations.
When I was leveling my crafters 8 years ago, every time I learned a new action, I was super thrilled, and I would try it out in every way possible to see how it can be used together with other actions... Back then, I didn't even have the power or gil to upgrade my gear, and sure I fail my crafts sometimes, but it was so much fun! Good old days! -
02-21-2023, 10:28 AMJojoyaI can understand the frustration. It can take someone explaining things in a way that makes sense to you for things to finally click.Quote:
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I still plan on trying to catch you in game Tuesday if I can. -
02-21-2023, 04:27 PMMasekase_HurricaneDefo getting bad advice, more stats equals shorter macros for one. You shouldn't rely on macros they are there for convenience not necessity.Quote:
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02-21-2023, 07:29 PMFrizze
Reading that reply, i was getting ready to either find you Caimie's guide or(if i was feeling lazy/tired) tell you that its the one you should read. I dabbled in crafting til i read her guide. She helped me understand parts i was overlooking and i even read ahead to learn about things i hadnt unlocked yet and challenges i wouldnt take on until much later. Cant recommend it enough. Ultimately if you decide youre happier not crafting, you should play the game how you want. But id at least give the guide a skim. Nothing to lose afterall.
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02-22-2023, 07:44 AMICountFrom0
Caimie is a legend, her guide saves sanity.
There is only one reason why a macro might fail if your stats get too good... if it was badly written. Sadly lots of them are.
Sure, muscle memory and then ground is a lovely opener, but you need to remember to use the final apprasial, that keeps it from capping. That's 3 lines used, and a lot of macros won't use that extra line. They'll just say it stops working at a certain point.
I remember the steps in crafting.
First you know nothing.
Then you follow somebody else's directions.
Then you read a guide, and start to understand.
Then you star making your own macros.
Then you go BACK to the guide to figure out what you did wrong.
Repeat until you actually know things.
... then you just look up somebody else's macro and use that. -
02-22-2023, 09:25 AMJojoya
I am on my Marilith character (Serene Style) right now (about 7:30 your local time) if you happen to see this. I'll pop over to Maduin occasionally to see if I can catch you on.
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03-14-2023, 07:45 PMArdethI don't think I've properly thanked you. If it wasn't for you I'd still be stuck and frustrated. I've helped so many people in my FC with the knowledge you have shared me. I appreciate it more than you know. Most people get frustrated with how it is for me to learn stuff and I apologize. I really do try to understand. I just get so easily overwhelmed if it doesn't immediately click with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Anyway long-winded response, but thank you.