Disgendered Glams.

Well by now Id say half of the cash shop is now genderlock free, and Im very glad the valentines sets and oktoberfest sets were chosen this patch.
Just wondering what anyone else was hoping for next.
I dont think theres much if any gear IN GAME left to degender unless they make lv1 sets of gear sets that have gendered differences (shisui, skallic, yorha, neoishgardian etc), but as much as I'd just kill to use the female version of the neoish tank and healer sets, I just really dont think its gonna happen, so I think only cash sets are gonna happen.
I feel like Aymeric is the most likely one bc bafflingly women can use his hair...but not the gear, terrible decision really, I dont know why theyd bother making only the hair disgendered but not the set.
I dont think any Scion sets are likely to get unlocked but getting minfillias hair on hrothgar would be amazing.

I was hoping for Makai gear because I really want the butterfly hairpin. The princess and schoolgirl glam from mogstation also a good choice to be unisex :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I was hoping for Makai gear because I really want the butterfly hairpin. The princess and schoolgirl glam from mogstation also a good choice to be unisex :)

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god but I'd kill for the makai moon healer set to be unisex its the best healer set in the game.

I guess you mean the far east schoolgirl set. Its fine, not my taste. The schoolboy set is only buyable for the hat but unless they spent the time to make the hat work on shb races it aint worth it (I bought it for an alt that hat owns but ugh).

I totally forgot the Fairy Tale sets existed. The princess set has some great pieces but oof the dress clips thru everyones arms atrociously in pretty much any cpose or emote its so wide.
I saw someone post they recently made the summer sunglasses not clip thru bangs, did they fix anything else? I saw hroth/viera images of these sets and both circlets were floating a mile away from their heads

Got the Valentione's set, don't care too much about anything else tbh. Just make everything gender neutral in my opinion.

I'm waiting for the Far Eastern schoolgirl set specifically for the ribbon, hoping it lines up with the male Au Ra high ponytail hairstyle. Is the kimono from that set specifically feminine or is it fairly unisex?

Yuna's sleeves could be a useful thing for adding to outfits.

The various yukatas could be an easy target – keep the existing male and female models and just transfer the patterns over. I've spotted a female NPC in Doma wearing a yukata with one of the male colour schemes (the green wave pattern) so it seems to be something they can do.

Makai sets would also be nice to unlock, if the licence allows for it. Most of them are just variations on fancy coats, and a few nice additional pieces for both genders – different gloves and such even if you don't like the body pieces. The female healer gloves are fairly unique. (Also I think my male Viera could rock the Markswoman coat.)

I would also like to see some hairstyles unlocked, particularly the Ramza/Alma styles – no need to disentangle the existing ones, just give us a "volume 2" book that unlocks the opposite gender's style.

And once they've done the things that are set up as separate items, I would like them to work on separating the ones that are stuck together, like some of the summer outfits; ideally the "functional gear" like the Neo-Ishgardian sets and such as well, but glamours would be a start. Introduce a second item and bring back the "gendered gear exchange" thingy at the Calamity Salvager so people can swap if they're left with the wrong piece.

Oh, and another thing that should get split into two items with minimal refitting: the "flower crown" from Little Ladies' Day a few years back.

character sets mostly
Aymeric,HW thancred etc etc

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm waiting for the Far Eastern schoolgirl set specifically for the ribbon, hoping it lines up with the male Au Ra high ponytail hairstyle. Is the kimono from that set specifically feminine or is it fairly unisex?

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It's specifically feminine in that the kimono pattern, ribbon, and especially the obi are distinctly feminine. The feminine obi's giant knot is also stuffed in the back of the hakama making a bulge that may look a bit awkward. The hakama also have a flowery design on them.

The whole set is specifically designed around that pattern of kimono combined with the ribbon, hakama, and boots that are symbolic of Taisho-era schoolgirl outfits. But then again, the female collegiate outfit is wearable by male characters so it's not like there isn't any precedence for unlocking it but it's feminine enough that it would still be considered "cross-dressing".

The thing is (Spoiler for the schoolboy and schoolgirl glam):

Female can wear Schoolboy's Hat already but male still can't wear Schoolgirl's Ribbon, so probably on 6.4 or 6.5 they will make them both ready to unisex

I think making everything unisex has become a eyesore personally. It looks terrible.

As a female character I'd like the Faerie Tale Prince outfit...

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I think making everything unisex has become a eyesore personally. It looks terrible.

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Yet in the end the females want to wear the male gear anyway :)

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

[...] it's feminine enough that it would still be considered "cross-dressing".

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That's what I wanted to know. Thanks for the details.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I think making everything unisex has become a eyesore personally. It looks terrible.

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Also unisex means it fits the both not what we have here. A pig can wear lipstick doesn't mean it looks good on it

As far as Mogstation gear my #1 want is the Nezha set, I really want those shorts. My #2 is the Garo gear because there are a lot of good pieces in there that both genders would benefit from having access to, and I need those Moonguide gloves in my closet.

After that I second Iscah's hope that they start splitting some of the sets with major differences between the F and M models. A /visor-style toggle for the existing items would be nice (could literally just be something like /changepants etc), so you avoid having to replace things, but I could definitely get behind them going down the list of popular-in-glamours items and splitting the F and M models into separate level 1 all-class glamour items. If they did it a few per patch like they've been doing the other genderlock removals, they'd have literally years worth of 'new' sets they could use as rewards in various content (pvp trophy crystals, for example, I'm running out of things to spend them on!) with relatively little effort required.

It's been ages since I've bought anything from the mogstation but I got really excited for the Gaia set when I logged in this morning...

...before seeing it was genderlocked. Boo.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Also unisex means it fits the both not what we have here. A pig can wear lipstick doesn't mean it looks good on it

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As much as I actually agree with that statement, let the pig feel pretty, it's none of your business.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

As much as I actually agree with that statement, let the pig feel pretty, it's none of your business.

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Shes technically right bc "unisex" glams fail tremendously on men. Most female outfits show off some cleavage and since men have no pec slider (a dang shame and immense failure on the devs part tbh) most outfits fall flat on men because they very noticably lose some of the appeal they had on the ladies. Only women really stand to benefit from disgendering sets but all that said if the player is willing to drop the cash they should be able to wear the gear regardless of pc sex.

I'm glad the new Gaia set is Female only.
The last thing I want to see more of is guys in skirts and dresses looking like a cringe drag queen >_>

There is a lot of male sets I would like the option to have.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I think making everything unisex has become a eyesore personally. It looks terrible.

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100% this. Some outfits stand out and not for the better. Every Viera male running around in the maid outfit when they allowed it was honestly just making me burst out and laugh.

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Originally Posted by XianRo

Only women really stand to benefit from disgendering sets...

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True true. But nevertheless I think it is good that they start to remove that gender thing. I wonder why they came back with it looking at the Gaia outfit.
I personally would prefer it, if they would do better and more interesting males glames, than just disgender. But at least the disgender is better than nothing and I am thankfull for it. :3

And I wish for the Makai Sets and the Eastern Lady Errant's Attire to be disgendered. :D

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

I think making everything unisex has become a eyesore personally. It looks terrible.

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Yeah, really it seems only 2 types of players want degendered gear
1 - people who play female characters who want the male glams in addition to the female glams
2 - trolls who want to be the funny Hrothgar in a fundoshi or a dress running around in duties

Most female gear looks atrocious on male characters and square doesn't put in the effort to change that at all. All degendering gear does is give female ARR race characters more glam options, which they already have pretty much everything under the sun. What irks me the most about it is they charge you 10 dollars if at some point after character creation you realize you're playing a race or gender that the devs don't care about adding new glams or gear for.

Yeah, I'd be okay with women wearing everything men can because not all women want to wear skirts/dresses and sometimes wear pants/long sleeves. However I think that if a woman outfit is strictly designed with breasts and what not, it should stay on women.

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Originally Posted by Caddo

Yeah, I'd be okay with women wearing everything men can because not all women want to wear skirts/dresses and sometimes wear pants/long sleeves. However I think that if a woman outfit is strictly designed with breasts and what not, it should stay on women.

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What? No, that's the exact opposite of what I was saying. I want more male exclusive glams since there's plenty of female exclusive glams and it's nice to have something special for races that aren't catgirls. There's really nothing being given in return that I or people who play male characters want when these items get de-gendered.
Oh cool this suit is available on female characters cool, I get... a dress I will never wear in return. Great trade. If I don't like it? Square says to give them 10 dollars.

I'm still waiting for the prince's outfit just cause the crown is infinitely cooler/ better.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Yeah, really it seems only 2 types of players want degendered gear
1 - people who play female characters who want the male glams in addition to the female glams
2 - trolls who want to be the funny Hrothgar in a fundoshi or a dress running around in duties

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I don't think that it's that black an white. A lot of female sets have 1-2 pieces that look fine on male chars. It's just bad that you must pay the whole set, if you just need 1 piece.
For example the Eastern Socialite's Attire. The Eastern Socialite's 'Skirt' looks fine as a glam for swimwear. The whole rest of the set looks really bad on males. (imo)
The Eastern Lady Errant's Attire would work too but is still looked.

But I agree that a lot of the female stuff does not look good on males, but not everything looks bad.
And in the end its just a game. If someone wants to wear his maid dress, and has fun with it, I don't care, to be honest. :3

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I don't think that it's that black an white. A lot of female sets have 1-2 pieces that look fine on male chars. It's just bad that you must pay the whole set, if you just need 1 piece.
For example the Eastern Socialite's Attire. The Eastern Socialite's 'Skirt' looks fine as a glam for swimwear. The whole rest of the set looks really bad on males. (imo)
The Eastern Lady Errant's Attire would work too but is still looked.

But I agree that a lot of the female stuff does not look good on males, but not everything looks bad.
And in the end its just a game. If someone wants to wear his maid dress, and has fun with it, I don't care, to be honest. :3

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I would be okay with all of this if we had an option to turn off other player's glamours. GW2 had a slick idea, I wish XIV would take a page from ArenaNet.

I don't get why people care so much about the glam of other players. If I don't like it, then I just stop looking on it.
The only important thing is the own glamour. In my opinion. :3

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I don't get why people care so much about the glam of other players. If I don't like it, then I just stop looking on it.

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I don't get why people care so much about restricting player options in a video game.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

I don't get why people care so much about restricting player options in a video game.

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Games are there for fun, right?. :3
When you then realize, that you have much less nice glam options and less glam options in general than other players, just because of the gender and the race you choose, than that limits the fun.
It's just unfair. That's why people care. And it is a problem on the developer's side.

But to complain about the glam of other players is really unnecessary in my opinion. It does not limit your own glamour experience and options. : )

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Games are there for fun, right?. :3
When you then realize, that you have much less glam options than other players, just because of the gender and the race you choose, than that limits the fun.
It's just unfair. That's why people care. And it is a problem on the developer's side.

But to complain about the glam of other players is really unnecessary in my opinion. It does not limit your own glamour experience and options. : )

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I guess your fun is the "correct" way to have fun. Glad we don't have to worry about pesky things like a middle ground. : )

What other players glam does not affect our own glam options. So it doesn't really matter.
But when you have less or/and less good options from the developers side, this is a point to speak about.
This has nothing to do with 'my' way of having fun. Redirecting to me personally is not a good argument.

I leave the discussion now. Have a good time you all. :3

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Yeah, really it seems only 2 types of players want degendered gear
1 - people who play female characters who want the male glams in addition to the female glams

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I would downright give away my ability to wear female glams if it meant I could use the male glams instead. Especially for single-gear glam.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

2 - trolls who want to be the funny Hrothgar in a fundoshi or a dress running around in duties

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If you see a lot of players wearing something, then maybe that just means they all think it looks good.
At least, the skimpy outfits look better on the bulky males than they would on my gender-appropriate lalafell.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Yeah, really it seems only 2 types of players want degendered gear
1 - people who play female characters who want the male glams in addition to the female glams
2 - trolls who want to be the funny Hrothgar in a fundoshi or a dress running around in duties

Most female gear looks atrocious on male characters and square doesn't put in the effort to change that at all. All degendering gear does is give female ARR race characters more glam options, which they already have pretty much everything under the sun. What irks me the most about it is they charge you 10 dollars if at some point after character creation you realize you're playing a race or gender that the devs don't care about adding new glams or gear for.

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Third type of people who want degendered gear: people who genuinely want to dress their male characters in feminine outfits, not to troll but because they like the style.

Fourth type of people (hi): people who don't want to dress their male characters in overtly feminine outfits but still want to make use of certain female-locked gear pieces.

Also, one of my characters is a male Viera quite similar to yours, and there is still loads of gear that looks good on him. It's just not the gear that you're expected to pay $20 to acquire.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Third type of people who want degendered gear: people who genuinely want to dress their male characters in feminine outfits, not to troll but because they like the style.

Fourth type of people (hi): people who don't want to dress their male characters in overtly feminine outfits but still want to make use of certain female-locked gear pieces.

Also, one of my characters is a male Viera quite similar to yours, and there is still loads of gear that looks good on him. It's just not the gear that you're expected to pay $20 to acquire.

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I saw a lot of hroth who really like the dirndl top and its not even that draggy/crossdressy of a gear piece its just a cute shirt.

So I work with color for a living and color theory is something I strongly care about. And this may surprise you, but a pretty big portion of the player base has pretty awful taste in color. And while I personally think a lot of outfits I see in this game are hideous because people don't know how color works, that doesn't mean I think they should lose the option to dye outfits whatever color they want. If someone is happy wearing ugly af metallic colors that clash with one another, I'm happy they have that choice. I want people to have options to make their character look however they want because it's their WoL and their experience.

If I who's entire career is based around caring about color can be okay with the bulk of the community having awful color sense, you guys can be okay with gender locking being removed. You see I developed this skill called not zooming in and staring at characters I don't want to look at. It's pretty easy to do. Don't want to see a hrothgar living his best life in a dress? You don't have to look at him. If he's happy that's all that matters and you can just live your lives not caring what others wear.

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

So I work with color for a living and color theory is something I strongly care about. And this may surprise you, but a pretty big portion of the player base has pretty awful taste in color. And while I personally think a lot of outfits I see in this game are hideous because people don't know how color works, that doesn't mean I think they should lose the option to dye outfits whatever color they want. If someone is happy wearing ugly af metallic colors that clash with one another, I'm happy they have that choice. I want people to have options to make their character look however they want because it's their WoL and their experience.

If I who's entire career is based around caring about color can be okay with the bulk of the community having awful color sense, you guys can be okay with gender locking being removed. You see I developed this skill called not zooming in and staring at characters I don't want to look at. It's pretty easy to do. Don't want to see a hrothgar living his best life in a dress? You don't have to look at him. If he's happy that's all that matters and you can just live your lives not caring what others wear.

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The 14 fanbase is religiously antifun idk why.
You get a bunch of conservative genderrole adherent grannies in the forum who dont want to see players in anything besides the current walking refigerator tank gear.
God forbid the franchise thats in love with Rule of Cool have fun crap for players to wear oh no its not "lore appropriate" (because tifa kickboxing underwater 200ft godmonsters in a tubetop and skirt is so like so for real and believable), no the hrothgar in a frilly gown (nevermind thats all healer gear or caster gear so lets just not let men play those jobs while we're at it!) or the femra in the faire joi while playing drk is actively ruining MY IMMERSION! MY IMMERSIOOONUGGGJUGJUBUBFG its just utterly baffling people are playing a final fantasy game and hate players dressing silly. like...this is not dragon quest sweeties.

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

So I work with color for a living and color theory is something I strongly care about. And this may surprise you, but a pretty big portion of the player base has pretty awful taste in color. And while I personally think a lot of outfits I see in this game are hideous because people don't know how color works, that doesn't mean I think they should lose the option to dye outfits whatever color they want. If someone is happy wearing ugly af metallic colors that clash with one another, I'm happy they have that choice. I want people to have options to make their character look however they want because it's their WoL and their experience.

If I who's entire career is based around caring about color can be okay with the bulk of the community having awful color sense, you guys can be okay with gender locking being removed. You see I developed this skill called not zooming in and staring at characters I don't want to look at. It's pretty easy to do. Don't want to see a hrothgar living his best life in a dress? You don't have to look at him. If he's happy that's all that matters and you can just live your lives not caring what others wear.

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Why should I be ok with it? It's removing things that were exclusive to my character type and giving it to a character type that already has more than I do. And in return I get... nothing that I want in return.
Hell, I can't even wear hats on my character.

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Originally Posted by XianRo

like...this is not dragon quest sweeties.

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Random take unrelated to the topic but I kinda want more Dragon Quest-esque outfits with the tunics and tabards and the obligatory bunny suit.

You might not agree with me, but this is what peak Hero aesthetics looks like.

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