Sounds a day's guildleves give you enough SP to level a class

Simple question, if you did 8 GLs with one class in a day, should you end up with enough SP to reach the next rank (assuming you were starting with 0 or almost 0 over the min for your current rank)?

If you say yes, then it'd take 50-100 days just doing GLs to level one class (depending if you can only do them one every one or two days). So you could level one DoW/DoM and one DoH every day.

If you say no, is that because such rate of gain is too fast or because it is too slow?

OK, lets take Broken Water and Halatali.... with an 8 person party

Thats 6 leves.... but because everyone doesn't have the same leves offered, you'll generally end up doing all 9 broken water leves and all 9 Halatali leves....
So thats 18 leves
If you're lucky you can do "Dunesfolk For Dinner" at Broken Water more than once, as that is the most SP gotten from a leve, from my experience....
we've generally seen 50k in SP from Broken Water and 10-15k.. maybe 20k if you're lucky from Halatali.....
thats if all 8 people are within 5 ranks so each person is getting party bonus from everyone else.....

So from 50-60k SP on an ok nite, to about 80k in SP on a GREAT nite doing both camps.....
and thats only 6 leves...
You'd still have 2 more leve spots to go do like Iron Lake or something (Great Hoary Toads is a good one)
the top 2 ranks (48 to 49 and 49 to 50) are 100k in SP per rank
but the ranks through the 30's are way less.... So on average, doing just leves every day with a full group and a ton of links, less than a month from 1 to 50...
Doing the leves solo though... wow... that would take a while longer... quite a bit longer actually...

I disagree way to easy to level. If anything they need to nerf SP gain from leves by like 20-30%.

A mmo should not be a quick path to endgame... I know WoW has done it like that and everyone is copying that but that is not how a mmo should be. A mmo should a game that is a journey not a quick sprint to endgame. If a normal gamer(20-25hrs a week) are hitting endgame within 2 months it is too fast.

As rydin stated with partys you litteraly get ~2.5 to 3 fold the sp as soloing leves. So you are looking at someone getting 3-6 levels per day with your sp gain, or 2-3 levels at high levels a day... and that is just absurdly fast with a game that has a cap at 50 atm.

It's good that partying gives players more SP. Party play should give more SP than solo play.

Gaining 50-80k SP per leve reset doesn't sound like too much to me. That's one play session every 36 hours. In addition, if you have one rank 50 and the rest of your battle classes are low rank, you're considered gimped compared to other players who have a variety of battle classes leveled.

i got 27-37 before they fix the SP gain in the last Patch in about 1week or so. All we did is pick up the leves that give the most SP when you about to get it done stop and return back to the crystal and cancel it. Next level reset you have the same leves again and again. So now with the new SP? i get 1 level per day doing the good leves x2 with my gf which so far i got 39-44 about every leve reset i got a level or 90% of it. so if you have a linkshell and you do leve link and have a lot of players you could easy get 1-50 in 1 and half weeks.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

i got 27-37 before they fix the SP gain in the last Patch in about 1week or so. All we did is pick up the leves that give the most SP when you about to get it done stop and return back to the crystal and cancel it. Next level reset you have the same leves again and again. So now with the new SP? i get 1 level per day doing the good leves x2 with my gf which so far i got 39-44 about every leve reset i got a level or 90% of it. so if you have a linkshell and you do leve link and have a lot of players you could easy get 1-50 in 1 and half weeks.

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with no grinding.. I don't know... 2 weeks is even pushing it....
45-50 you'll get 1 level or less per reset... and even if you got 1 full level per reset, thats 1 week by itself (5 resets equal 7.5 days)
and you definitely can't get 1-45 in 3 days

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I disagree way to easy to level. If anything they need to nerf SP gain from leves by like 20-30%.

A mmo should not be a quick path to endgame... I know WoW has done it like that and everyone is copying that but that is not how a mmo should be. A mmo should a game that is a journey not a quick sprint to endgame. If a normal gamer(20-25hrs a week) are hitting endgame within 2 months it is too fast.

As rydin stated with partys you litteraly get ~2.5 to 3 fold the sp as soloing leves. So you are looking at someone getting 3-6 levels per day with your sp gain, or 2-3 levels at high levels a day... and that is just absurdly fast with a game that has a cap at 50 atm.

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I agree 100% with you ^-^ I'm so sick of MMOs being about reaching the level cap asap, and nothing mattering until the level cap. Such boringness, I want to go back to the style FF11 had.

LOL some of you would rather play a job than a game by the sounds of it.

I'm quite happy with the current SP you get from leves, If it takes people too long to hit end game or a level where there is suficent content (yes this doesn't exsist yet) they will more than likely leave the game.

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Such boringness, I want to go back to the style FF11 had.

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Go play 11 then, wish people would stop trying to turn this into FF11.

You can't just take any 8 guildleves, you have to pick and choose, some you needed to fail before (but I stopped doing this, I would never get any money or Guild marks due to having only good leves, which we had to fail to repeat)

I just feel it needs mentioning that you cannot gain a rank every day from just guildleves in a crafting or gathering class, as the OP's statement implied this.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

i got 27-37 before they fix the SP gain in the last Patch in about 1week or so. . . . i get 1 level per day doing the good leves x2 with my gf which so far i got 39-44 about every leve reset i got a level or 90% of it. so if you have a linkshell and you do leve link and have a lot of players you could easy get 1-50 in 1 and half weeks.

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A week and a half? No way. Not even close.

Leves reset every 36 hours. That means that in a week and a half, you can get a total of 6 sets of leves. Even if you do super fantastic and get 80,000 SP every reset, that's 480,000 SP. That will get you from level 1 to the 30s, but it won't get you even close to 50.

Here's something to keep in mind. From level 1 to 30 takes 400,000 SP. From level 30 to 50 takes 1,500,000 SP. When you hit level 40, you're only about halfway to level 50.

So after 480,000 SP, you're not even 1/4th of the way to level 50.

So if you're a leveling machine, you might get their in about a month and a half. But that's not counting fatigue. If you get 80,000 SP every reset, you're going to get lots of fatigue, which is going to nerf your SP pretty severely. Which means it's probably going to take even longer.

Hopefully they won't remove fatigue, it's the only system keeping the players from reaching the cap too fast. Yet both casuals and hardcore can level at a quite nice pace with the current SP gain. Hardcore can level more classes, casuals won't be left behind on one class.

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Originally Posted by VydarrTyr

A week and a half? No way. Not even close.

Leves reset every 36 hours. That means that in a week and a half, you can get a total of 6 sets of leves. Even if you do super fantastic and get 80,000 SP every reset, that's 480,000 SP. That will get you from level 1 to the 30s, but it won't get you even close to 50.

Here's something to keep in mind. From level 1 to 30 takes 400,000 SP. From level 40 to 50 takes 1,500,000 SP. When you hit level 40, you're only about halfway to level 50.

So after 480,000 SP, you're not even 1/6th of the way to level 50.

So if you're a leveling machine, you might get their in about a month and a half. But that's not counting fatigue. If you get 80,000 SP every reset, you're going to get lots of fatigue, which is going to nerf your SP pretty severely. Which means it's probably going to take even longer.

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I gain 27-37 in 1week ish Before the new sp. We was about 8-15 members doing leves and did them for 10hours sometime we pick up more players as they log in and few left and open up more spots. When you reach surplus you level up your craft the next day and try to get 90% sp gain from your main class. Sometime when there was no leves to be done we level up killing skeleton it was 200+sp per kill and there was at least 10+ of them to kill and pretty quick repop time.

With the new Sp gain you could get 1-50 in about 2week or so if you do what i did i'm seeing players with more and more 50 sense this new sp gain system. As long as you get the leves get best SP and fail them and redo them with 8 players seeing how the limit of max sp is now with 8players i could see you getting 50 in short amount of time.

Mind you this is when i had no life and really enjoy the game but now that it's just me and my gf i play less and less. I start over on a new world and got 1-20 in about 1 leve reset and doing behest each time it was up o.o it took me days to get that before and in beta 1 i think it took me hours to get 10 lol

edit :oh and i mean 2week at best if you did what i said sorry i mess up what i said on my other post i guess that why you though i was crazy ahah

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

With the new Sp gain you could get 1-50 in about 2week or so if you do what i did

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edit :oh and i mean 2week at best if you did what i said sorry i mess up what i said on my other post i guess that why you though i was crazy ahah

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First of all, no worries. These are discussion boards, so there's no problem discussing things. :D

I don't think you're crazy. I just don't think you're totally thinking this through.

Like I said before, when you hit level 40, you've earned half the SP needed to get to level 50. So if it took you a week to get from level 27 to 37, then it's going to take much more than a week to get from 37 to 50. Much more.

You're going to need to earn about 3 million SP to get from level 1 to 50. You can run 9 sets of leves in 2 weeks. So if you get 80,000 SP every time leves reset -- which is a really good run -- then you'll get 720,000 from leves.

That means you've got to earn roughly 2.3 million SP from grinding and behests. If you kill the same skeletons for 200 SP each, you'll have to kill over 800 skeletons every day. That means you've got to kill at least one skeleton every 2 minutes, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 2 weeks straight, with no breaks for food or sleep or bathroom. No time for running to or from camps or cities for leves or behest or repairs. No time to switch to new mobs when you stop getting good SP from the old ones.

That's just not possible.

And keep in mind that you hit fatigue at about 80,000 SP. And fatigue resets once per week. So if you're going to earn 214,000 SP every day, then you're going to get some serious surplus. I don't know the exact point at which you start earning 0% SP, but I'm guessing that it's long before you hit 1.5 million SP.

So it's just not possible to hit level 50 in 2 weeks. It might be possible in a month, but I doubt it. 2 to 3 months is pretty fast.

But, hey, I could be wrong. If you can do it, more power to you. :D

R50 in one discipline is not the end. Depending on your role in party you need to levelup 2-3 other DoM/DoW. I don't see any problems in getting r50 in 2-3 month. And don't forget about crafting and gathering, this is a big part of game.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

I agree 100% with you ^-^ I'm so sick of MMOs being about reaching the level cap asap, and nothing mattering until the level cap. Such boringness, I want to go back to the style FF11 had.

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I'm pretty sure lvl50 is not when we'll get some real end-game (maybe I'm wrong tho). I think they will raise the cap to at least 60...or more (maybe they plan to stick to 75 for a while again), before we get some proper endgame content and gear.

If that's the case, then i think there's nothing to worry because it will probably take a while just to get from 50 to 60...or higher :rolleyes:

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I don't think they'll mess around with SP/cap till they're done with battle/class changes. It might be a long time before we see any changes. :confused:

Hopefully they'll add some mid-level content to distract us from leves/behest/grinding too. :o

The XP curve is too slow in my opinion, past rank 20. Considering that, in this game, reaching top rank in one discipline is nowhere near maxing your character out, levels should take less time than other MMOs to get, not more. I think reducing the cooldown time on leves from the currently arbitrary 36 hours to 24 hours so you can get a daily routine in would help, but they need to reduce the exp curve past level 20 as well. All players, casual and hardcore, should be encouraged to get into endgame content because that is the real long-term appeal of an MMO, and extending the grind to take an eternity doesn't help this goal.

I'm not saying it should be Guild Wars style where you can get to max level in a couple days, but 3+ months of doing all these leves (which including crafting leves can take hours at a time) to get max rank in one of eighteen classes in a game that empowers people with multiple max-rank classes is ludicrous. Something I appreciate in most other MMOs is that if I put in a solid day of grind, no matter where I am on the xp curve I can probably get at least one level, so it feels like I accomplished something. According to the xp values posted on this page, later in the curve you might get 10% of a level every 2 days if you use an exploit in the system, which is less like a game and more like the daily grind at work--long hours of repetition for very little visible reward. Where's the fun in that?

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Originally Posted by OJtheLIONKing

I think reducing the cooldown time on leves from the currently arbitrary 36 hours to 24 hours so you can get a daily routine in would help, but they need to reduce the exp curve past level 20 as well.

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There was a long thread asking that the time go up to 48 hour resets and tons of people agreed/disagreed.....
Seems like SE just can't win for losing...
Damned if you do... Damned if you don't

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Originally Posted by Yazoo

R50 in one discipline is not the end. Depending on your role in party you need to levelup 2-3 other DoM/DoW. I don't see any problems in getting r50 in 2-3 month. And don't forget about crafting and gathering, this is a big part of game.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

It's good that partying gives players more SP. Party play should give more SP than solo play.

Gaining 50-80k SP per leve reset doesn't sound like too much to me. That's one play session every 36 hours. In addition, if you have one rank 50 and the rest of your battle classes are low rank, you're considered gimped compared to other players who have a variety of battle classes leveled.

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why are people thinking its gimping yourself if you have one 50? I have plenty of people I group with only have one 50 and they are practically the same as any other 50. Considering that nearly your entire setup is going to be skills from your current class with only a few skills here and there for others your certainly not "gimping" yourself if you have one 50.

For example at 50 Thaum the only skills I keep equiped from other classes are : Cure III (rarely used as Sac III is better on thaum and it has a low cooldown, if I need to spam heals I occasionally use cure though)

Protect/Shell II-Not a big difference than rank I and I very rarely use these skills anyway as you cant buff in the middle of an nm fight and the 5 min cooldown is hardly worth your time.

Stoneskin/shock spikes II-See above

Chain Spell: awesome I admit, use it all the time on thaum

And thats about it, the only skill I use on my thaum really is chainspell and cure III.

The sp gain is way too fast and I dont like the idea of increasing even further (its already been increased multiple times). You should be able to have time to enjoy all the mid level content once thats implemented, do you really want all the content in the game to be at 50 and just have everyone race to max rank so they can "start" the game? Being rank 50 should mean something and you should feel that it was a major accomplishment, not just doing leves here and there for 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by VydarrTyr

First of all, no worries. These are discussion boards, so there's no problem discussing things. :D

I don't think you're crazy. I just don't think you're totally thinking this through.

Like I said before, when you hit level 40, you've earned half the SP needed to get to level 50. So if it took you a week to get from level 27 to 37, then it's going to take much more than a week to get from 37 to 50. Much more.

You're going to need to earn about 3 million SP to get from level 1 to 50. You can run 9 sets of leves in 2 weeks. So if you get 80,000 SP every time leves reset -- which is a really good run -- then you'll get 720,000 from leves.

That means you've got to earn roughly 2.3 million SP from grinding and behests. If you kill the same skeletons for 200 SP each, you'll have to kill over 800 skeletons every day. That means you've got to kill at least one skeleton every 2 minutes, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 2 weeks straight, with no breaks for food or sleep or bathroom. No time for running to or from camps or cities for leves or behest or repairs. No time to switch to new mobs when you stop getting good SP from the old ones.

That's just not possible.

And keep in mind that you hit fatigue at about 80,000 SP. And fatigue resets once per week. So if you're going to earn 214,000 SP every day, then you're going to get some serious surplus. I don't know the exact point at which you start earning 0% SP, but I'm guessing that it's long before you hit 1.5 million SP.

So it's just not possible to hit level 50 in 2 weeks. It might be possible in a month, but I doubt it. 2 to 3 months is pretty fast.

But, hey, I could be wrong. If you can do it, more power to you. :D

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i get you 100% but i did this with the old system before they made SP mad crazy getting 27-37 in about 1week and half or 2week is not that hard. I see players getting 2 level 50 with the old system in about 1month so getting 27-37 is not that hard.

27-37 with old system with this new level up getting SP is pretty easy doing leves that give out best sp and leve linking with my gf. You get 500-800sp i gone from 40-44 in about 3-4 leve reset. fatigue does reset every 1 week but you could reset it by level up other class which i do so you can gain 90% sp when you run out of leves for your main. like do Craft leves and then level that up. Sadly i don't know why ppl are saying that level up is slow o.o when i got 1-19 on my new char in about 1day of leves. Sure at 20+ it get slow but still i think it way to fast now vs how it was before.

Btw by all means i did not say you can get 1-50 with the old system but with this new one doing what i did i think i could easy get 1-50 in about 2weeks or less it just up too if you get lucky. Oh btw everyone should try out the skeletons they give now over 500sp with 3-4 players o.o pretty good camp if you don't kill them fast at level 30 ish is where it good to do them. Forgot the area of it tho :(

the only thing slowing us down from getting 1-50 in few days is fatigue which should stay on this game if not everyone have rank 50 class and craft.

I have a question does everyone feel that craft are pointless? like oh i have rank 50 Goldsmith but 5000 others also have it in your world and most of them have all the craft 30+. Crafting system in FFXIV make me sad unlike FFXI where if you was goldsmith 100 or Cooking 100 you was only a few would could make stuff for your shell because no one had a craft high enough to do it.

I have a couple 50 melee classes and I cant see hitting 1-50 in under 2 weeks.. and I started at launch and have played every day since then.... through the proc SP days.... the coblyn days, leve linking with 15 man parties... the coblyn fix, leve linking with a max of 8...... and I'm telling you.. no one is getting a million SP from the time they start a character to the time their fatigue resets..... 7 days just isn't long enough... You're hardcore in my opinion if you do it in 3 weeks... thats 600k in SP a week

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Originally Posted by Choc

The sp gain is way too fast and I dont like the idea of increasing even further (its already been increased multiple times). You should be able to have time to enjoy all the mid level content once thats implemented, do you really want all the content in the game to be at 50 and just have everyone race to max rank so they can "start" the game? Being rank 50 should mean something and you should feel that it was a major accomplishment, not just doing leves here and there for 3 weeks.

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Yeah I don't get this type of thinking either, I guess people are too used to WOW/WOW clone mmos where you solo to the level cap then the game actually starts? I prefer the game starting at level10 TBH(1-10 to teach newbs how to play, then at 10 you start partying to learn how to do that).

Leveling might as well not even exist in western MMOs anymore, since it's pointless and just a boring timesink. Partying and enjoying the game as you reach the level cap like in FF11 is fine though ^-^

I have played since launch and my highest Rank is 42 Marauder. I take my time but my LS is pretty fast. I have been a few weeks offline now and then. Im enjoying doing leves with teh mates.