Sounds a day's guildleves give you enough SP to level a class

[Winterclaw]

Simple question, if you did 8 GLs with one class in a day, should you end up with enough SP to reach the next rank (assuming you were starting with 0 or almost 0 over the min for your current rank)?

If you say yes, then it'd take 50-100 days just doing GLs to level one class (depending if you can only do them one every one or two days). So you could level one DoW/DoM and one DoH every day.

If you say no, is that because such rate of gain is too fast or because it is too slow?

[Rydin]

OK, lets take Broken Water and Halatali.... with an 8 person party

Thats 6 leves.... but because everyone doesn't have the same leves offered, you'll generally end up doing all 9 broken water leves and all 9 Halatali leves....
So thats 18 leves
If you're lucky you can do "Dunesfolk For Dinner" at Broken Water more than once, as that is the most SP gotten from a leve, from my experience....
we've generally seen 50k in SP from Broken Water and 10-15k.. maybe 20k if you're lucky from Halatali.....
thats if all 8 people are within 5 ranks so each person is getting party bonus from everyone else.....

So from 50-60k SP on an ok nite, to about 80k in SP on a GREAT nite doing both camps.....
and thats only 6 leves...
You'd still have 2 more leve spots to go do like Iron Lake or something (Great Hoary Toads is a good one)
the top 2 ranks (48 to 49 and 49 to 50) are 100k in SP per rank
but the ranks through the 30's are way less.... So on average, doing just leves every day with a full group and a ton of links, less than a month from 1 to 50...
Doing the leves solo though... wow... that would take a while longer... quite a bit longer actually...

[Xatsh]

I disagree way to easy to level. If anything they need to nerf SP gain from leves by like 20-30%.

A mmo should not be a quick path to endgame... I know WoW has done it like that and everyone is copying that but that is not how a mmo should be. A mmo should a game that is a journey not a quick sprint to endgame. If a normal gamer(20-25hrs a week) are hitting endgame within 2 months it is too fast.

As rydin stated with partys you litteraly get ~2.5 to 3 fold the sp as soloing leves. So you are looking at someone getting 3-6 levels per day with your sp gain, or 2-3 levels at high levels a day... and that is just absurdly fast with a game that has a cap at 50 atm.

[Shiyo]

I disagree way to easy to level. If anything they need to nerf SP gain from leves by like 20-30%.

A mmo should not be a quick path to endgame... I know WoW has done it like that and everyone is copying that but that is not how a mmo should be. A mmo should a game that is a journey not a quick sprint to endgame. If a normal gamer(20-25hrs a week) are hitting endgame within 2 months it is too fast.

As rydin stated with partys you litteraly get ~2.5 to 3 fold the sp as soloing leves. So you are looking at someone getting 3-6 levels per day with your sp gain, or 2-3 levels at high levels a day... and that is just absurdly fast with a game that has a cap at 50 atm.

I agree 100% with you ^-^ I'm so sick of MMOs being about reaching the level cap asap, and nothing mattering until the level cap. Such boringness, I want to go back to the style FF11 had.

[Zacko]

I agree 100% with you ^-^ I'm so sick of MMOs being about reaching the level cap asap, and nothing mattering until the level cap. Such boringness, I want to go back to the style FF11 had.

I'm pretty sure lvl50 is not when we'll get some real end-game (maybe I'm wrong tho). I think they will raise the cap to at least 60...or more (maybe they plan to stick to 75 for a while again), before we get some proper endgame content and gear.

If that's the case, then i think there's nothing to worry because it will probably take a while just to get from 50 to 60...or higher

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I don't think they'll mess around with SP/cap till they're done with battle/class changes. It might be a long time before we see any changes.

Hopefully they'll add some mid-level content to distract us from leves/behest/grinding too.

[Rentahamster]

It's good that partying gives players more SP. Party play should give more SP than solo play.

Gaining 50-80k SP per leve reset doesn't sound like too much to me. That's one play session every 36 hours. In addition, if you have one rank 50 and the rest of your battle classes are low rank, you're considered gimped compared to other players who have a variety of battle classes leveled.

[Choc]

R50 in one discipline is not the end. Depending on your role in party you need to levelup 2-3 other DoM/DoW. I don't see any problems in getting r50 in 2-3 month. And don't forget about crafting and gathering, this is a big part of game.

It's good that partying gives players more SP. Party play should give more SP than solo play.

Gaining 50-80k SP per leve reset doesn't sound like too much to me. That's one play session every 36 hours. In addition, if you have one rank 50 and the rest of your battle classes are low rank, you're considered gimped compared to other players who have a variety of battle classes leveled.

why are people thinking its gimping yourself if you have one 50? I have plenty of people I group with only have one 50 and they are practically the same as any other 50. Considering that nearly your entire setup is going to be skills from your current class with only a few skills here and there for others your certainly not "gimping" yourself if you have one 50.

For example at 50 Thaum the only skills I keep equiped from other classes are : Cure III (rarely used as Sac III is better on thaum and it has a low cooldown, if I need to spam heals I occasionally use cure though)

Protect/Shell II-Not a big difference than rank I and I very rarely use these skills anyway as you cant buff in the middle of an nm fight and the 5 min cooldown is hardly worth your time.

Stoneskin/shock spikes II-See above

Chain Spell: awesome I admit, use it all the time on thaum

And thats about it, the only skill I use on my thaum really is chainspell and cure III.

The sp gain is way too fast and I dont like the idea of increasing even further (its already been increased multiple times). You should be able to have time to enjoy all the mid level content once thats implemented, do you really want all the content in the game to be at 50 and just have everyone race to max rank so they can "start" the game? Being rank 50 should mean something and you should feel that it was a major accomplishment, not just doing leves here and there for 3 weeks.

[Shiyo]

The sp gain is way too fast and I dont like the idea of increasing even further (its already been increased multiple times). You should be able to have time to enjoy all the mid level content once thats implemented, do you really want all the content in the game to be at 50 and just have everyone race to max rank so they can "start" the game? Being rank 50 should mean something and you should feel that it was a major accomplishment, not just doing leves here and there for 3 weeks.

Yeah I don't get this type of thinking either, I guess people are too used to WOW/WOW clone mmos where you solo to the level cap then the game actually starts? I prefer the game starting at level10 TBH(1-10 to teach newbs how to play, then at 10 you start partying to learn how to do that).

Leveling might as well not even exist in western MMOs anymore, since it's pointless and just a boring timesink. Partying and enjoying the game as you reach the level cap like in FF11 is fine though ^-^

[Zenaku]

i got 27-37 before they fix the SP gain in the last Patch in about 1week or so. All we did is pick up the leves that give the most SP when you about to get it done stop and return back to the crystal and cancel it. Next level reset you have the same leves again and again. So now with the new SP? i get 1 level per day doing the good leves x2 with my gf which so far i got 39-44 about every leve reset i got a level or 90% of it. so if you have a linkshell and you do leve link and have a lot of players you could easy get 1-50 in 1 and half weeks.

[Rydin]

i got 27-37 before they fix the SP gain in the last Patch in about 1week or so. All we did is pick up the leves that give the most SP when you about to get it done stop and return back to the crystal and cancel it. Next level reset you have the same leves again and again. So now with the new SP? i get 1 level per day doing the good leves x2 with my gf which so far i got 39-44 about every leve reset i got a level or 90% of it. so if you have a linkshell and you do leve link and have a lot of players you could easy get 1-50 in 1 and half weeks.

with no grinding.. I don't know... 2 weeks is even pushing it....
45-50 you'll get 1 level or less per reset... and even if you got 1 full level per reset, thats 1 week by itself (5 resets equal 7.5 days)
and you definitely can't get 1-45 in 3 days