DID YOU FORGET DANCE PARTNER?

Every time I am about to perhaps finally leave a certain tier that is impossible to escape, I get a dancer in my game who does not utilise dance partner whatsoever. As we all know, dancer has potential but only if one uses the abilities. Not even about using them correctly, literally put that dance partner on ANYONE. I know we cannot afford extra $$$ for GMs to police people in pvp, and I know all games are going in this 'the less interaction between players in pvp, the better' approach.

But please.
PRETTY PLEASE?
PLEASE PLEASE PLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSEEEEEE!!!!
May we have a quickchat button that says any single one of the following, these ideas are from my brain to your desk free for the taking any one you guys want to put into the game is fine:
Dance Partner
Dance Partner?
Forgot Dance Partner?
Please give me Dance Partner!
Please give <t> Dance Partner!
Don't forget Dance Partner!
Dance Partner? Can you use it?
Choose a partner to dance with, please!


If none of these will suffice, could Dance Partner's ability be changed to always be on someone automatically? Someone? Anyone? Anyone will do. Pretty please? Please. Anything to escape these dancers who are SOMEHOW EVERY SINGLE TIME in my ranking up games.


I was just in a match where most of the people started to /dance around the dancer before the start of the game. We all had hope. We all tried our best. I knew better, I already knew. We all knew, I think . It was futile. We were doomed to lose again. One guy ran across the entire map alone for no reason. I'm going to have to seriously consider only playing dancer when I queue up.

Sometimes I do forget, usually because I'm in roulette and have just been through a bunch of dungeons where it wasn't even available.
I forget tank stance and cardia sometimes too. (I run Sage, Dancer, Warrior on just about all my alts)

Speaking for me and my spouse, we're not offended when someone reminds us.
(Just a tiny bit embarrassed.)

Just so we all know know this is what you're missing when dancers don't use dance partner:
https://i.ibb.co/yRd287M/dncsucks00.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/4pSRPQM/dncsucks01.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/8c2Mtsg/dncsucks02.jpg

The piddly dmg one can do on DNC makes no sense at all without it. Why be there at all without using dance partner? I am cursed to always get dancers who never use dance partner. I am cursed to play this class and kill nobody ever and just hope the other dps can target one target at once.

I almost give up on playing other classes, and I can't rank up just playing dancer. What is the fix to this? I wonder, would I be happier if 0 exp and 0 season pass rewards were given for ranked? So people who mindlessly grind for losing rewards can go to queue casual? Could Dance Partner perhaps be changed entirely? Could the buff go on nearby players when they dance nearby them instead? It might encourage playing on top of the crystal+dancer? I dunno. Sounds better than an entire class being an instant debuff because there's no button to remind someone.. (Or perhaps they could stop throwing games intentionally idk? this happens so much I now have conspiracy theories.)

This has been happening a lot lately I have noticed. I do not like to be that person to say can you choose a partner...I would feel bad and do not want to upset somebody! but it is happening a lot and this by dancers with really good gear and level 90 so should know to choose somebody.

I have knocked it off by accident as I use a controller and that is annoying but most of the time I swap and change to who I am close too.

I said to my friend they should make it so it just chooses somebody if you do not do it. And also being near a dancer to get the buffs would be a good idea ^^

I have a macro I'd like to share for dance partner.

/pvpac "closed position" <>
/pvpac "closed position" <>
/pvpac "closed position" <>
/micon "closed position" pvpaction

Put 1-2-3-4-5 in the "< >"
Depending on the party member.
For example,
Monk is the 3rd party member on the list.
I'd change one of the "< >" to <3>.

In the waiting zone before the match starts I config this macro and put the 3 players I'll prioritize giving buffs to.

Before I hit a action that provides a buff ill hit this macro, until it will partner whoever is in range to recieve this buff.
This macro is for you want to gaurentee someone gets your buffs everytime you use your buffs, instead of letting them go to waste because someone is Los or dead.

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Originally Posted by Rubytoe

I have a macro I'd like to share for dance partner.

/pvpac "closed position" <>
/pvpac "closed position" <>
/pvpac "closed position" <>
/micon "closed position" pvpaction

Put 1-2-3-4-5 in the "< >"
Depending on the party member.
For example,
Monk is the 3rd party member on the list.
I'd change one of the "< >" to <3>.

In the waiting zone before the match starts I config this macro and put the 3 players I'll prioritize giving buffs to.

Before I hit a action that provides a buff ill hit this macro, until it will partner whoever is in range to recieve this buff.
This macro is for you want to gaurentee someone gets your buffs everytime you use your buffs, instead of letting them go to waste because someone is Los or dead.

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Thank you ^^

Wait.. I didn't even know dancers could partner with someone in PVP. Interesting technology.

As a DNC main i dont forget, but lets be real here, Dance partner only works if the idiot PUG you put it on, stays near and does their job instead of..... oh.... i don't know.... chasing one person to the other side of the map with 2 other members of your team instead of staying on objective where the Dancer is getting flattened by the 3 enemy team members who know what their doing unlike the Dancers own team members.

Another issue? Dancers get focused from the get go, we cant buff you if we are dead, the moment we get locked down, even with the Esuna? We get gang piled on out of existence. No amount of Prot bubble or trying to use en Avant seems to be a cure for that, especially when you can be chain CC'ed.
The past month and a half or so every time i use my LB for example, its like sending up a flare to CC me and waste my LB bar, if they dont CC me? Doesn't matter, while im locked in the cast, i can be taken down by an enemy team member simply sneezing on me lol. Its my only stun/CC, I cant lock the enemy down to give myself time to cast my CC, in the past when people saw DNC use LB they ran, Now? They just focus target instead, cant get the LB off if you kill said DNC first, and they WONT survive to get that cast off, they dont even have a defense they can pop..

DNC feels like playing melee, with none of the survivability, we need our party to have two braincells to rub together so we can buff them, but lets be real, most CC PUG's dont.

In my experience, they could remove Dance Partner in PvP and it would make literally zero difference.

Basically they should make DNC auto apply the partner when they zone into the fight and it would be up to the DNC to change it if they don't like who it was given to

One more win to get to plat! GUESS WHO I GET! A DANCER WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT DANCE PARTNER IS IN A GOLD 1 RANKING. Perhaps they're subtly win trading? I get the feeling that they are indeed win trading.

Every single season I almost get over the gold hump and I get a hard carry on my team who doesn't do any dmg and doesn't give any buffs.
CHANGE THIS PLEASE.

Time to pray I can win 3 more times to get to plat so I can stop playing the game.


I swap dancer to fight the dancer and they won't queue anymore :) they must have boosted their friend to plat.

Why would anyone boost to plat?

If people have issues getting out of the lower ranks, there's fundamental problems with their play style. I guess it can take a while if playing very team oriented Jobs and getting incredibly bad RNG, but most good players can just go something like BLM, DRG, NIN etc. and carry themselves out sooner than later even if they have little experience with those Jobs.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

Every time I am about to perhaps finally leave a certain tier that is impossible to escape, I get a dancer in my game who does not utilise dance partner whatsoever.

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Just a recent example. Group gold/platinum. Platinum dancer without a dance partner. I know this is of little comfort to you, but they are everywhere.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

If people have issues getting out of the lower ranks, there's fundamental problems with their play style.

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You can do anything for your team and your playstyle can be very good. While your party doesn't care about the crystal at all, deals damage to everyone at once and to no one in particular, allows the enemy to hang out at your base, ignores "Fall back and regroup!" and one by one commits suicide. I'm so tired of this spherical reasoning in a vacuum where all your party members are perfect and you're allowed just to do your job.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

Just a recent example. Group gold/platinum. Platinum dancer without a dance partner. I know this is of little comfort to you, but they are everywhere.



You can do anything for your team and your playstyle can be very good. While your party doesn't care about the crystal at all, deals damage to everyone at once and to no one in particular, allows the enemy to hang out at your base, ignores "Fall back and regroup!" and one by one commits suicide. I'm so tired of this spherical reasoning in a vacuum where all your party members are perfect and you're allowed just to do your job.

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They aren't. Your party is likely not very good in lower ranks and most of the time the same is true for enemy team. Your best bet is to play high impact Jobs with solo potential so you can tip the scales more often than not to get out of the miserable pits where no teamwork exists.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

They aren't. Your party is likely not very good in lower ranks and most of the time the same is true for enemy team.

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This is not the case, given the former crystal and many alts on bronze/gold. And platinum idiots are just as idiotic as bronze/gold idiots, sorry, I've seen them many times. So your arguments are not convincing to me. And the situation when you have a team that is weaker than the enemy, especially during prime time on weekends, because someone again decided to lvl/test/grind glam in the ranked, this is usual. Your rank talk is especially fun when you see someones alt in your group or in an enemy group and you already know what awaits you.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

The piddly dmg one can do on DNC makes no sense at all without it.

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Wait, I agree with the problem of forgetting the DP and the points made about the buffs and things brought by the DP buff (you forgot Sabre Dance, 10% damage), but DNC? Piddly damage?? This is one of the best AoE classes... I'm afraid you stumbled on people that just don't know how to play it really.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

This is not the case, given the former crystal and many alts on bronze/gold. And platinum idiots are just as idiotic as bronze/gold idiots, sorry, I've seen them many times. So your arguments are not convincing to me. And the situation when you have a team that is weaker than the enemy, especially during prime time on weekends, because someone again decided to lvl/test/grind glam in the ranked, this is usual. Your rank talk is especially fun when you see someones alt in your group or in an enemy group and you already know what awaits you.

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There's definately some autoloss games, but good players regularly make enough impact to climb over time. If it was truely so random or hard, then we wouldn't have so many same names in top 100 each Season. Some people even find time to push multiple alts up there (which shouldn't be a thing).

All this ranting has nothing to do with reality when you can lose all your progress from one star to platinum to 4 gold because you got shit in a group. People don't work on marks, people don't focus, people don't push the crystal. Don't tell me about the turnaround if they can't even damage a specific target even on platinum and run around like cockroaches.

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Originally Posted by Sililos

i dont forget, but lets be real here, Dance partner only works if the idiot PUG you put it on, stays near and does their job instead of..... oh.... i don't know.... chasing one person to the other side of the map with 2 other members of your team instead of staying on objective where the Dancer is getting flattened by the 3 enemy team members who know what their doing unlike the Dancers own team members.

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Figured it'd be this.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

All this ranting has nothing to do with reality when you can lose all your progress from one star to platinum to 4 gold because you got shit in a group. People don't work on marks, people don't focus, people don't push the crystal. Don't tell me about the turnaround if they can't even damage a specific target even on platinum and run around like cockroaches.

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You are just as likely to get a winstreak through Plat to Diamond as you are getting a lose streak back to bottom of Gold. The only real modifier outside of alts is you. If the problem persists after hundreds of matches, it's a player issue.

This is starting to look like all those "elo hell" complaints in other games.

With a totally random probability factor you have 12.5% chances to get a win streak (3 victories in succession). While this is a significant probability helping to rise rather than go down, combined with the impossibility to drop below platinum 4, I'm afraid that I do not consider 100 games a sample large enough to account for rng personally.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

If the problem persists after hundreds of matches, it's a player issue.

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Wrong. It's not a player's problem when you have the same party three times in a row. And bad days do happen, just like bad matchmaking. I've seen very good players lose just by being in a crappy party, even though they do everything to win.

You can get a full party of gold and platinum who run in circles and you can get bronze who know what they're doing. You can get a full party of newbies who get scared or die one by one against the gold. You can press "Push the crystal!" until your fingers hurt and push it yourself, and you'll be dead, because your party at the other end of the arena is running after one person while the enemies kill you.

And it's still a team game. Your permanently dead BLM DRG NIN, who are in the chainstun, will not be able to change the outcome of the battle if they are correctly and at the right time focused.

So about the skill of the player, I only partly agree with you. And all these stories about a player who decided the whole battle at one moment is 10% of reality. The reality is, your group is effectively focusing and pushing the crystal or enemy group. Because I have seen many times how one "good player" at one time cleared the entire enemy party, and the next moment the cockroaches in their group again did not know what they were doing.

DNC in your group, which, by the way, can really change the course of the battle, which does not use DP and runs somewhere far away - this does not depend on your player skill. If you have at least two or three of the group know what they are doing, you have a chance, if only you are trying to compensate with your damage and skills for what others cannot, accept, you will lose.

However, I will not continue this discussion any longer, good luck with your solo victories playing for BLM (because the other group was stupid enough not to focus on you at the right moment or the bard was so stupid that you never got silenced lol).