Removal of Weekly Limits on older Custom Deliveries and Tribal Quests

Why are there limits on how many custom deliveries we can make on custom deliveries and tribal quests? I understand why they do it for current content, but why does it matter if I want to power through custom deliveries on older content? As the game gets older there will be more and more of these custom deliveries and being only able to make 12 deliveries per week is going to take forever to get them done. If they are unwilling to remove the cap, can it at least be increased?

As for tribal quests, they take so long, and are so vast that it is frustrating that I can only do so many quests per week. I wouldn't mind if I could only do the quests for that day, but having a limit on that day is frustrating. I want to be able to run around to the different quest givers, do their dailies and scamper off but progress feels so stifled because now I have to choose between the quest to level jobs, or the quests to advance the tribe story lines.

What do you think? Should these caps be removed or do you want them to stay?

Setting aside beast tribes for the moment, custom deliveries are relatively easy crafts/gathering that give you a relatively large amount of scrips, including endgame scrips if you are max level. If they were unlimited no one would need to do any other kind of collectibles. They’re meant to be a nice little weekly windfall with some story attached so I think they’re fine. There isn’t really anything important gated by them.

As I recall it, custom deliveries offer quite good EXP and scrips for the time invested into them. Tribal quests, at least in HW and beyond, also offer quite good EXP for the time invested into them, as well as tribe-specific currency.

Both are time-gated so that you can't use them to acquire an unlimited amount of EXP and scrips/currency in short order.

That said, I think that 3 per tribe per day, instead of 12 for all tribes per day, would be less restrictive and still preserve that time-gating.

They aren't going to remove the limits on Custom Deliveries when it would make it far too easy for players to farm large amounts of scrip.

The limits on tribal quests are going to be in place to encourage players to do other types of content.

That said, I think the ARR tribal quests could use a rework so they're closer to how the other tribal quests are designed. And it probably wouldn't hurt to increase the daily cap on tribal quests from 12 to 18 since none of the rewards offered will upset game balance as long as there's still the daily limit of 3 per tribe (other than ARR).

For Custom Deliveries they wold have to MASSIVELY nerf the exp and scrips in order to do that.

I agree on Tribes though. Since you can only do a limited number of quests per tribe per day anyway, what purpose does the daily cap serve these days?

They could keep the weekly cap as "number of deliveries that you get a reward for" ; any past that wouldn't give you scripts/xp or a fraction of the normal amount

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Originally Posted by Calysto

They could keep the weekly cap as "number of deliveries that you get a reward for" ; any past that wouldn't give you scripts/xp or a fraction of the normal amount

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there would be no point in continuing to be able to submit custom deliveries for nothing just because you could.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

there would be no point in continuing to be able to submit custom deliveries for nothing just because you could.

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No doubt some people are thinking in terms of achievement hunting. They aren't looking for rewards, just achievement completion.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

No doubt some people are thinking in terms of achievement hunting. They aren't looking for rewards, just achievement completion.

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That just comes with time. Keep doing the weekly deliveries you'll eventually get the 150 or whatever amount it is delivery achievement. Are people really complaining that they can't get a long term achievement right away?

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Are people really complaining that they can't get a long term achievement right away?

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No. They're complaining about the fact that the achievements now take too long for new, and new to crafting players to reasonably complete. If you started from scratch right now it would take two years of doing all 12 turn ins every week to get all of the delivery achievements, and by then there would likely be at least another year worth of new NPCs added to the game. It's basically impossible for new players to ever catch up now.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

No. They're complaining about the fact that the achievements now take too long for new, and new to crafting players to reasonably complete. If you started from scratch right now it would take two years of doing all 12 turn ins every week to get all of the delivery achievements, and by then there would likely be at least another year worth of new NPCs added to the game. It's basically impossible for new players to ever catch up now.

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No it isn't. It seems like a daunting task but if you break down what needs to be done versus the total opportunities provided each expansion, it clearly becomes possible.

There are over 1200 deliveries opportunities per expansion. The highest achievement for each Custom Delivery NPC only consumes 150 of those opportunities. That means 8 can be completed per expansion.

We get at most 3 new Custom Delivery NPCs per expansion, allowing players to catch up at the rate of 5 old NPCs per expansion. You're actually able to catch up fairly fast. You just need to keep playing the game.

Tribal quests are even easier. You only have to get to max reputation, which takes only about a month for the non-ARR tribes (can't remember how long it takes for the ARR).

And if you choose to stop playing the game? Then all the effort to play catch up on meaningless achievements was a waste of your time in the first place.

I know a lot of players like to see themselves as achievement hunters but I wonder how many of them stop to consider what value having those mostly meaningless achievements have brought to their lives. Some might go but they aren't meaningless. True in a few cases - some achievements represent true efforts worthy of acknowledgement. Most don't. Most are just a way of saying "I wasted lots of time doing this boring small effort activity over and over and over again".

Either way, no it's not impossible for a new player to catch up. They just need to choose to invest time into doing it over doing other things they may find more enjoyable.

not all achievements are meant to be accessible to all either without effort being put into it.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

That said, I think that 3 per tribe per day, instead of 12 for all tribes per day, would be less restrictive and still preserve that time-gating.

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Rather than have a cap of X quests a day, how about being able to do all of the quests the giver hands out each day for all tribes in all content? For example, the Pipsqueak Pranksters give 3, the Heffalumps and Woozle Riders give 3, the Slithering Sisters give 5, the Nanoo-Nanoo give 5, and the Flying Cabbages give 6; I'd like to be able to do all of them in a single day if I feel like. They'd still gated behind a #quests/day rate, but not also behind a limited cap of tribal quests doable per day. This would help to clear those out of the To-Do (eventually) List faster since I could binge every faction each day I felt like doing so.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Rather than have a cap of X quests a day, how about being able to do all of the quests the giver hands out each day for all tribes in all content?

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Fair enough.

In practice, 3 per tribe per day is functionally the same thing if you ignore the ARR tribes and the three extra quests you get each time you level up with the HW and later tribes.

(Like so many other things in this game, the way ARR does things stands apart from how all of the later expansions do them.)

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

(Like so many other things in this game, the way ARR does things stands apart from how all of the later expansions do them.)

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So true, so true, and it's the ARR tribes that have made me stop doing anything but the ShB and EW tribes outside of binges of a week or so every couple months. If I'd chipped away at them frequently I'd have been maxed out with all tribes long ago, but that's not how this guy's mind works. Knowing that I could do all the quests every day, if I wanted to, is more motivating than having to choose which ones to prioritize, even though they're functionally the same since I don't have anything to benefit from level 60+ tribes XP gains. I've essentially been doing the older tribes' stuff just to tick the check box next to their name on the list of factions with max rep.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I know a lot of players like to see themselves as achievement hunters but I wonder how many of them stop to consider what value having those mostly meaningless achievements have brought to their lives. Some might go but they aren't meaningless. True in a few cases - some achievements represent true efforts worthy of acknowledgement. Most don't. Most are just a way of saying "I wasted lots of time doing this boring small effort activity over and over and over again".

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That's my feeling on it too. It's sort of a good thing for me that there are a lot of annoying and too-much-work achievements here, because I can easily look at it and say "nope, not even going to bother". It's more annoying when there's just one thing left on the list that you can't do to complete it.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

I agree on Tribes though. Since you can only do a limited number of quests per tribe per day anyway, what purpose does the daily cap serve these days?

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It serves the same purpose it always did: keeping you at a total of 12 per day instead of 3 per ever-increasing number of tribes.

Leave it the way it is. I feel like it is more about putting a time limit on earning those achievements. The crafts aren't hard - they never were. They are "just right." 12 per week gives enough scrips (if you do this every week) to provide all scrip-related items you'd ever need if you are willing to put in 10 minutes/week over many weeks.

Both tribes and custom deliveries are meant to be casual activities with nice rewards. If you want more xp or scrips, there are other ways to get that.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

No. They're complaining about the fact that the achievements now take too long for new, and new to crafting players to reasonably complete. If you started from scratch right now it would take two years of doing all 12 turn ins every week to get all of the delivery achievements, and by then there would likely be at least another year worth of new NPCs added to the game. It's basically impossible for new players to ever catch up now.

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Who do they need to catch up to? The achievement doesn't even count for anything. It only takes a little over a month to max reputation on each client. That's basically the end of it.

it's because people are selfish and demand immediate satisfaction. it's all about me, me, me. now, now, now. I want it now and I don't want to have to wait for it. Because if they're not they're not catering to me. I'm paying for this so I should get what i want handed to me. otherwise it's bad service.

A while ago I started on spending my level allowance (which normally sits at 100 for about 99% of an expansion) on completing all crafter leves for the achievements. I could go through 100 leves in about 1-2 days depending on how dedicated I was. Then I'd let it accrue to about 100 again, pick up 10 HW "L" leves and keep those in my journal until leves accrued to near 100 - then do those 10 backlogged ones and zerg the other 100 down.

Regardless of how I do it, it will take months to complete all crafter leves. And that's the way it should be anyway. There isn't anything overly difficult about completing leves. So, they have to put a time restraint on it.