Are we ever going to get Team Matchmaking for CC?

Or has SE forgotten that PVP exists?
Soloqueue isn't cutting it any more. Getting tired of rolling the teammate gacha.

Edit: To elaborate, I mean a SEPARATE queue from the existing casual/ranked where a premade team of 5 players matches up against another premade team of 5 players.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Or has SE forgotten that PVP exists?
Soloqueue isn't cutting it any more. Getting tired of rolling the teammate gacha.

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Howdy again! Posting good questions today, keep it up!

Im one to admit, at very least casual should have some dynamic queue system, but I would keep full-team matchmaking limited to custom matches for now.

Based on The Feast's limitation of 2-man queues in casual, a 2-man or 3-man queue could work without making queueing into pairs borderline obnoxious while keeping the matchmaker with minimal burden to find fitting team stacks to form a match.*

*= this is compounded by 1 job per team limitations, which might make certain job pairings difficult to match.

Hopefully never or if they do it gets its own queue where it can only fight against other pre-made teams otherwise the mode will just die out due to stacked teams in discord stomping random teams

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Hopefully never or if they do it gets its own queue where it can only fight against other pre-made teams otherwise the mode will just die out due to stacked teams in discord stomping random teams

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...giving people an option will not break the mode, especially if it is kept within limitation. Also not like people have done queue syncing before with similar results.

Also a pair or trio of players being on discord does not automatically mean they will roflstomp casual, for all we know those are casual friends and hardly any good at PvP. There is also the chance you will end up on a pair's side.

Good players will stomp, solo or grouped does not matter.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

it gets its own queue where it can only fight against other pre-made teams

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Yes, that's what I meant.
Hence "team" matchmaking, not "party" matchmaking.
CC was clearly made for coordinated teams to play against each other, as seen by the existence of PLD, BRD, DNC, AST, SGE, and SCH at the very least, if not other jobs as well - And the fact that this is impossible without having both teams prebuilt is an absolutely pathetic show on SE's part.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Howdy again! Posting good questions today, keep it up!

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I could make it a triple, since I do have another big PVP-related topic I want to discuss, but I'll leave that particular shitpost for another day so I have a chance to think it out a little more.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Or has SE forgotten that PVP exists?
Soloqueue isn't cutting it any more. Getting tired of rolling the teammate gacha.

Edit: To elaborate, I mean a SEPARATE queue from the existing casual/ranked where a premade team of 5 players matches up against another premade team of 5 players.

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holy crap, this guy asking the best questions today!

I'm not sure what game you're playing if you can't see that a Team CC queue will just make it so people queue sync together to get 1m30 games taking turns throwing. Especially if such a mode gives rewards and series XP.

But who knows, maybe you're right and there is this huge hidden portion of the already fragmented PVP community that is just waiting for the option to queue up with 4 friends just for the fun of it...

What you want already exists, it's on Discord and it's people organizing custom games. But that ain't very popular. But I'm sure if it was its own separate queue it would pop like crazy all day everyday, on all data centers.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

I'm not sure what game you're playing if you can't see that a Team CC queue will just make it so people queue sync together to get 1m30 games taking turns throwing. Especially if such a mode gives rewards and series XP.

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You say that like people don't already do this in casual?

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

But who knows, maybe you're right and there is this huge hidden portion of the already fragmented PVP community that is just waiting for the option to queue up with 4 friends just for the fun of it...
What you want already exists, it's on Discord and it's people organizing custom games. But that ain't very popular. But I'm sure if it was its own separate queue it would pop like crazy all day everyday, on all data centers.

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This just looks like a load of seething over having no friends to me. Try dropping the snarky twat act, that might help your issue.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

You say that like people don't already do this in casual?


This just looks like a load of seething over having no friends to me. Try dropping the snarky twat act, that might help your issue.

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i like this guy.

Damn, you got me. I'm just bitter that I could never find 4 people to play CC with.

Even though I played PVP for quite a while, I barely know anyone and I have no idea how team-based PVP has ever worked in this game.

Please enlighten me with your wisdom, Ô great PVP master beloved by so many.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

Damn, you got me. I'm just bitter that I could never find 4 people to play CC with.

Even though I played PVP for quite a while, I barely know anyone and I have no idea how team-based PVP has ever worked in this game.

Please enlighten me with your wisdom, Ô great PVP master beloved by so many.

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Alright, let's start with the "fracturing the community" part. So you're scared that people who are currently solo queueing might go off and play with their friends instead, leaving you alone? How can I infer this to be anything but seething about being friendless? If those people do move over to team queue, then clearly they never wanted to solo queue in the first place - And now they get to play what they wanted to play all along. You're also running off the laughable idea that PvP can never gain new players - Anyone who goes to team queue must be coming from the existing solo queue community. Have you not considered that there are people who avoid PvP right now because it's not a social activity? They can't play with their friends, so why bother at all? Where's the fun in getting randomly grouped up with and against faceless nobodies who you will neither know nor care about, and never see again?

As for your "I have no idea how team-based pvp has ever worked in this game" - Do you mean to imply that the PVP mode based around team coordination, with massively support-oriented jobs such as Paladin, Bard, Dancer, Scholar, Astrologian, and Sage, would somehow be worse in a coordinated environment than a quickchat-spamming clown fiesta?

I'll go even further. No matchmaking and premades of 5v5 only, similar to WoWs Arena system. I'd actually play it then, because youd be assured that everybody in the game will put in 100% effort and actually try to win. Getting thrown, blind, into a meat grinder of varying skill levels from Bronze all the way to Gold and beyond, and having to try and win a match with randos when you arent even allowed to communicate. Yeah, that's not my idea of fun. Being in VC with 5 of your buddies? Communicating in real time and coming up with strategies and tactics? Yes please. That would be great. Although, we will never see that because XIV seems to have a phobia of competition.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I'll go even further. No matchmaking and premades of 5v5 only, similar to WoWs Arena system. I'd actually play it then, because youd be assured that everybody in the game will put in 100% effort and actually try to win. Getting thrown, blind, into a meat grinder of varying skill levels from Bronze all the way to Gold and beyond, and having to try and win a match with randos when you arent even allowed to communicate. Yeah, that's not my idea of fun. Being in VC with 5 of your buddies? Communicating in real time and coming up with strategies and tactics? Yes please. That would be great. Although, we will never see that because XIV seems to have a phobia of competition.

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I don't know about that. As long as team matchmaking and solo matchmaking are separate, what's the issue?

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Originally Posted by Martynek

I don't know about that. As long as team matchmaking and solo matchmaking are separate, what's the issue?

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Player retention.

Solo matchmaking in general will not suffer as badly as people think it would because it is numerically and statistically easier to create a match of 10 solo players.

Team matchmaking (I assume this is 5v5 premades-matching only) might suffer from similar effects of the The Feast Team season back then. Lesser skilled teams will feel bummed out by stomp-teams, lowering player retention and shooting up the queue times.

Full-team matching is difficult to implement and I doubt the community's heart and attitude are in the right place to handle such a mode well. That said, watching full-team matches is an absolute banger.

Short: Team matchmaking would struggle to keep player retention unlike solo queue or dynamic queue.

Plenty of aspects of the game have some pretty awful player retention, so I don't see how that's a good enough reason to justify not adding something.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Plenty of aspects of the game have some pretty awful player retention, so I don't see how that's a good enough reason to justify not adding something.

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This isn't argument why we shouldn't get it, it is an argument why even if we get it it might end in failure; it isn't a new feature for one and is a steeper step from solo queue than implementing dynamic queue to bridge the gap first. Babysteps.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

This isn't argument why we shouldn't get it, it is an argument why even if we get it it might end in failure; it isn't a new feature for one and is a steeper step from solo queue than implementing dynamic queue to bridge the gap first. Babysteps.

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thats a pretty sounds argument to me tbf.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

Alright, let's start with the "fracturing the community" part. So you're scared that people who are currently solo queueing might go off and play with their friends instead, leaving you alone? How can I infer this to be anything but seething about being friendless? If those people do move over to team queue, then clearly they never wanted to solo queue in the first place - And now they get to play what they wanted to play all along. You're also running off the laughable idea that PvP can never gain new players - Anyone who goes to team queue must be coming from the existing solo queue community. Have you not considered that there are people who avoid PvP right now because it's not a social activity? They can't play with their friends, so why bother at all? Where's the fun in getting randomly grouped up with and against faceless nobodies who you will neither know nor care about, and never see again?

As for your "I have no idea how team-based pvp has ever worked in this game" - Do you mean to imply that the PVP mode based around team coordination, with massively support-oriented jobs such as Paladin, Bard, Dancer, Scholar, Astrologian, and Sage, would somehow be worse in a coordinated environment than a quickchat-spamming clown fiesta?

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Based.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Player retention.

Solo matchmaking in general will not suffer as badly as people think it would because it is numerically and statistically easier to create a match of 10 solo players.

Team matchmaking (I assume this is 5v5 premades-matching only) might suffer from similar effects of the The Feast Team season back then. Lesser skilled teams will feel bummed out by stomp-teams, lowering player retention and shooting up the queue times.

Full-team matching is difficult to implement and I doubt the community's heart and attitude are in the right place to handle such a mode well. That said, watching full-team matches is an absolute banger.

Short: Team matchmaking would struggle to keep player retention unlike solo queue or dynamic queue.

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I'd argue in favour of something like a flex queue that League has with much more lax matchmaking, but that would mean that intern-san would actually have to work on PvP for once LMAO. And they'd have to implement some kind of an ELO system or something.
Unless that's what you meant by dynamic queue, in which case I totally agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Karasio

I'd argue in favour of something like a flex queue that League has with much more lax matchmaking, but that would mean that intern-san would actually have to work on PvP for once LMAO. And they'd have to implement some kind of an ELO system or something.
Unless that's what you meant by dynamic queue, in which case I totally agree with you.

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About 99% what I mean't with dynamic queue yes. Only thing I cannot give input is the specifics of ELO systems / hidden MMR because I have next to no education about that.