They should bring back feast arenas as 8v8 team death match

With the feast music and even bring back the old maps like lichenweed, and the other one, in addition to the crystal tower map.

Because jobs have been reworked to not need role restrictions, it would be perfect for a team death match arena. Old 8v8 also lacked role restrictions, but classes were using their pve kits in pvp at the time. So I think it could be more balanced this time around.

You could put something like capturing points by holding areas on their side of the map, or capture the flag etc. Or just a death match that counts kills.

It\\'s sad to see those arenas and the music go to waste. We should try to find a use for them!

I'm in love with the idea with a more Feast-style TDM mode, but I need to stress that even in 5v5 with an objective in place the time to kill is very short, imagine making players the objective again and add 3 on each side.

Apart from damage, more players = more CC available on average AND longer queuetimes.

5v5 is fast enough.

Im always in for more content, specially in PvP that's it not bad, but not awesome (and I love PvP).

I think CC is the TDM of FF XIV. The time to kill is already short and the role/class system of the game doesn't match a more "free" TDM mode that doesn't require objectives to structure the battle (something like CoD, Halo, etc)

Problem with a Team Deathmatch game for mmos is that eventually at some point half the team will give up if the score is like 50% or higher than their own score. Morale will fall significantly and then you run into a situation where people complain their team is intentionally dying to make the game end to re-que or something else.
Wow did this before (still technically) with Alterac Valley for a long while. The game mode boiled down to whosoever can topple in the initial conflict controls the game and as soon as one side had a 100 troop lead the other one just gives up and intentionally stalls the game as long as possible for the winners (until they went back to rushing to the end of the stage mentality)

If we were to do a Deathmatch mode style game, at some point the team that's winning by a large margin would need to get debuffed with Vulnerability up/Damage Down until they die in one shot by the enemy they were steamrolling to prevent it or do what Destiny does and just cancel the match after a certain point difference happens even before they reach the amount of kills. Both cases results in one side feeling like they are getting screwed over.
In the idea of the debuff for playing too good, the side winning would intentionally die all at once just to try and reset the score so they don't get as harsh a punishment if they are REALLY steamrolling.
In the round ends if one team is steamrolling, losing team would just give up completely when it is close and take intentional deaths to save the pain and struggle.

So it comes down to how to make it even for both sides without completely killing off the fun of the mode for winners/losers? answer is not really. Objective based PVP has always been the most popular for the Majority of MMO PVPers because even if they die a lot among their peers, so long as they are playing the objective right they will win. Team Deathmatch it becomes harder to enjoy when you are constantly targeted by the opponents with no way for your friends to properly stop or pull away before you die and then you are seen as a weak link despite getting completely stunlocked out of existence before you could say "Target WHM"

CTF/Capture Points/Payload/KOTH ect. There is a reason these modes are seen a lot for games like wow, ff14 and the like. CC just needs to have a better ranking system or allow presets if they want to keep the same process they have already.

Pvp is garbage in this game .there is no other way to put it

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Originally Posted by Yseradragonmeow

Pvp is garbage in this game .there is no other way to put it

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I think it mostly just comes down to poor netcode, and no variety. Why does Yoshi P insist on having large scale 48 and 72 man modes with such a small PvP community. If the modes were smaller it would free up more players to do multiple things... if there was more variety of things in the first place.

No. They shouldn't. There's so much rampant CC amongst most of the jobs and their netcode is bad for what is required from it like registering something critical like Resilience. It's pathetic, because they could just automatically have Purify grant Resilience regardless of whether or not you removed a debuff (like Fetter Ward); and suddenly we don't have to gamble against the poor netcode to decide if we get to be immune to debuffs or not for the next 5 seconds.

With how fast people can die from getting dogpiled on by as little as 3 people or chain-stunned to death in Crystaline, I have a difficult time understanding why people think adding 6 more bodies will somehow make it more enjoyable. If you want the music or aesthetics, that's fine, but that will never actually fix their PvP modes' fundamental issues. So I think if it's not something they can easily add without pretending that it took them half an expansion's worth of time and resources to do, then it's probably not necessary.

I really miss the 8v8 feast back in HW... That's the most fun fight than 4v4 feast IMO.

they should just make 16 player ffa
no teams just Solo

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Originally Posted by Yseradragonmeow

Pvp is garbage in this game .there is no other way to put it

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You made an account and came here to post that? Why? If you don't like it, don't participate in it. What was the purpose of this post? Even if Square-Enix staff read these forums, they would ignore vitriol like that anyway.

On-topic, I don't think pure deathmatch would work well in this game. Feast wasn't especially good beforehand, and I think it would be even worse now. They keep bumping potency with every major patch without bumping player HP values, so time to kill is getting shorter and shorter over time. And we were already hitting the "tickrate problem" before the potency bumps. That will only get worse.

Adding an objective beyond "kill them" is critical to keeping the system functional. Murderball might work, though, if you're wanting something like TDM but with a little extra going on.

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No. They shouldn't. There's so much rampant CC amongst most of the jobs and their netcode is bad for what is required from it like registering something critical like Resilience. It's pathetic, because they could just automatically have Purify grant Resilience regardless of whether or not you removed a debuff (like Fetter Ward); and suddenly we don't have to gamble against the poor netcode to decide if we get to be immune to debuffs or not for the next 5 seconds.

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They gave you that, it's called Guard.

Besides, we know that Resilience can work properly, it worked just fine in Shadowbringers. For some unexplained reason, they chose to implement it differently than it worked in that system. I'm kind of surprised no one's asked about it in the Q&A's. Or maybe Yoshida is striking those questions from the list?

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

They gave you that, it's called Guard.

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It isn't the same, and you know that. The properties and drawbacks of both mechanics differ; one essentially is a glorified Diamondback with the ability to crawl, and the other lets you function as usual with a short reprieve from most additional CC, and really only overlap in the sense that your are immune to any cleansable debuffs during.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

Besides, we know that Resilience can work properly, it worked just fine in Shadowbringers. For some unexplained reason, they chose to implement it differently than it worked in that system. I'm kind of surprised no one's asked about it in the Q&A's. Or maybe Yoshida is striking those questions from the list?

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I feel like you are describing the old role action Fetter Ward; I don't seem to remember Purify coming with the Resilience bonus qualifier if you cleansed a debuff prior to the latest revamp. As it is now, you can get shafted by the server tick if Resilience wasn't acknowledged by the server at the wrong split-moment and you're back into another stun. Fetter Ward literally just gave you the same immunity as Resilience, just longer and on-demand to be used preemptively. Bard's Paean does this exact thing- it blocks a cleansable CC. The problem with how Resilience is implemented is that it can actually fail to activate and do its job thanks to unlucky server ticks. But the poor netcode isn't going anywhere. If they can't guarantee a crucial tool like Resilience to activate properly each time, they may as well remove the "upon successfully removing one of the aforementioned effects" condition and just make the Resilience buff apply regardless.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

It isn't the same, and you know that. The properties and drawbacks of both mechanics differ; one essentially is a glorified Diamondback with the ability to crawl, and the other lets you function as usual with a short reprieve from most additional CC, and really only overlap in the sense that your are immune to any cleansable debuffs during.



I feel like you are describing the old role action Fetter Ward; I don't seem to remember Purify coming with the Resilience bonus qualifier if you cleansed a debuff prior to the latest revamp. As it is now, you can get shafted by the server tick if Resilience wasn't acknowledged by the server at the wrong split-moment and you're back into another stun. Fetter Ward literally just gave you the same immunity as Resilience, just longer and on-demand to be used preemptively. Bard's Paean does this exact thing- it blocks a cleansable CC. The problem with how Resilience is implemented is that it can actually fail to activate and do its job thanks to unlucky server ticks. But the poor netcode isn't going anywhere. If they can't guarantee a crucial tool like Resilience to activate properly each time, they may as well remove the "upon successfully removing one of the aforementioned effects" condition and just make the Resilience buff apply regardless.

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No, you got an automatic resilience buff that made you immune to the specific form of CC after one expired.

Giving everyone Fetter Ward on top of Guard is a horrible idea and would break the game in half. You quite simply don't understand what you're asking for.

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No, you got an automatic resilience buff that made you immune to the specific form of CC after one expired.

Giving everyone Fetter Ward on top of Guard is a horrible idea and would break the game in half. You quite simply don't understand what you're asking for.

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I know exactly what I'm suggesting/asking for and it hardly "breaks" the game in half, but instead adds nuance to the usage of CC while actually eliminating the unreliableness of Resilience's activation because of server ticks, which everyone hates. The option to blow your Purify for Resilience to preemptively negate predicted CC (with the benefit that Resilience activates correctly every time you cleanse debuffs) just means people might actually have to pay attention to someone's buffs before dumping their stuns and silences and opens up the ability to bait someone into wasting their Purify. There's proper reactions to and ways to bait Guard, and its existence hardly breaks the game.

This wouldn't even need to be a suggestion if the devs weren't so bent on having Purify work the way it does with their poor netcode. If Resilience was 100% guaranteed to happen if you met the requirements as soon as you hit Purify, I wouldn't find it necessary to suggest this solution. This is simply the quickest and most feasible workaround for the devs if they care because I doubt they'll improve their entire netcode delay just because one clutch PvP buff doesn't activate all the time.

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I know exactly what I'm suggesting/asking for and it hardly "breaks" the game in half, but instead adds nuance to the usage of CC while actually eliminating the unreliableness of Resilience's activation because of server ticks, which everyone hates. The option to blow your Purify for Resilience to preemptively negate predicted CC (with the benefit that Resilience activates correctly every time you cleanse debuffs) just means people might actually have to pay attention to someone's buffs before dumping their stuns and silences and opens up the ability to bait someone into wasting their Purify. There's proper reactions to and ways to bait Guard, and its existence hardly breaks the game.

This wouldn't even need to be a suggestion if the devs weren't so bent on having Purify work the way it does with their poor netcode. If Resilience was 100% guaranteed to happen if you met the requirements as soon as you hit Purify, I wouldn't find it necessary to suggest this solution. This is simply the quickest and most feasible workaround for the devs if they care because I doubt they'll improve their entire netcode delay just because one clutch PvP buff doesn't activate all the time.

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They don't need to change the netcode. They already have the solution. Just make it operate like the old resistance buffs worked in Shadowbringers. It is obviously possible to do so.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

they should just make 16 player ffa
no teams just Solo

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Honestly a FFA works if they give some rotations and preset loadouts with jobs.