Rival Wings has anyone done it since it's been brought back?

As the title says has anyone not only gotten a que for it to pop and thus actually know what the difference is compared to how Hidden Gorge played before the PVP redo? Along with if you have somehow managed to get the mode to pop how well does it handle with the current pvp kits? I only ask due to seemingly the rare times I've felt to try and que up for it has never popped. Even with the timer going over an hour and at peak hours.

Course I had trouble getting good Ques for it even before it got taken down prior to the PVP revamp. The only times I knew I could get a few matches was on days a Duty Commenced stream was happening and they chose to give it some love.

I've never even done it. Is that bad? :eek:

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Originally Posted by SannaR

As the title says has anyone not only gotten a que for it to pop and thus actually know what the difference is compared to how Hidden Gorge played before the PVP redo? Along with if you have somehow managed to get the mode to pop how well does it handle with the current pvp kits? I only ask due to seemingly the rare times I've felt to try and que up for it has never popped. Even with the timer going over an hour and at peak hours.

Course I had trouble getting good Ques for it even before it got taken down prior to the PVP revamp. The only times I knew I could get a few matches was on days a Duty Commenced stream was happening and they chose to give it some love.

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The PvP Revival Discord runs events encouraging lots of people to queue up for it to get the queues to actually pop. The next event is going to take place on Primal at 8 PM EST Tomorrow, on Crystal at 8PM EST Saturday, and on Aether at 8PM EST on Sunday.

Rival Wings can be a whole lot of fun given the myriad of objectives tighter maps, and smaller teams, though it can be a struggle when you have a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing and refuse to hop in mechs. I do recommend giving it a go though.

I haven't play it yet. My last try I was waiting for 30 minutes and got nothing.

It would be nice if SE would rotate the PvP game mode that is on the dailies: one week we have frontlines, then we have rival wings, or assign them a day: Mon-Wnds-Fry-Sun: Frontlines, the other days rival wings. I feel like that game mode is getting lost in the sea of content, and we know the devs care about it, they recently worked on it.

since they turned bard into caster, i have no desire to do PvP, except to get CC rewards and wait for the next season.

Crystal DC sometimes host the RW, and I can say, the LB bar is too quick that everyone can use the LB after 2 kills...

I loved Rival Wings back in the day and would love to play it again but until it is a roulette I highly doubt people will. I know there is a community revival event but never at a time, I can play.

Played a few games and lost them all. They changed the UI slightly, that's about it.

This need to be promoted through a roulette.

Didn't even know it was back yet. Gonna play it later, thanks!

I wasn't even aware it was back until a few days ago when I was looking at Party Finder and someone was recruiting for it. I've tried queuing twice for it now and gave up after waiting over 30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Played a few games and lost them all. They changed the UI slightly, that's about it.

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Really just the UI? That doesn't seem worth the turning the mode off with how they justified it due to the PVP revamp.

It really needs to be its own daily roulette at this point. I quite like the game mode but I rarely get to play it since I'm not often around during one of the community led revival projects.

The queue went through pretty fast during nights (EST) but outside those times it rarely goes thorough.
I've been able to play it a total of 5 times since it was re-started with 6.2.
I think it is more fun than frontlines due to there being a bunch of other things to consider.

Nobody will do it unless it has a roulette. Same with frontlines...if frontlines lost the roulette, participation would crater overnight.

It is a bit sad that a massive amount of content is only done because of the rewards, not because it's actually enjoyable.

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It is a bit sad that a massive amount of content is only done because of the rewards, not because it's actually enjoyable.

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I would wager a lot of people find it hard to get into because the jobs all have different ability sets and the whole mode plays completely differently than the rest of the game. It's not like pvp in other games like eso, swtor, wow, where you can take your favorite class/job and at least have a clue what you are doing. PvP in ffxiv is a completely different game.

I have played a few matches since it became available.

Just like with Frontline initially after the revamp, Limit Breaks happen way too often. You still get LB bonuses from kills & assists in RW. The increased LB generation from having 20 Soaring Stacks/Flying High status need to be removed.

The fact that SMN can have Bahamut and Phoenix summoned at the same time should be a clear indicator that something is wrong.

Other than that, they only increased the numbers for everything so it's inline with how much damage players can now do. No changes to objectives or other map mechanics.

I tried but I cant find any matches.

I’m tempted to try it for those achievement.

I've been trying to queue for it at peak times in my DC but not seen it up once since the patch. I don't really like Rival Wings much compared to Frontline (not being able to read the mech abilities without a mouse sucks) but I was hoping to check it out again to see what had been rebalanced. It's funny that the current PVP series rewards are themed around it while the mode seems completely inaccessible!

Wonderous Tales asked it of me so I queued up for it durring peak time. 30 min wait time. Noooo thanks, I'll just do a dungeon instead.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

I have played a few matches since it became available.

Just like with Frontline initially after the revamp, Limit Breaks happen way too often. You still get LB bonuses from kills & assists in RW. The increased LB generation from having 20 Soaring Stacks/Flying High status need to be removed.

The fact that SMN can have Bahamut and Phoenix summoned at the same time should be a clear indicator that something is wrong.

Other than that, they only increased the numbers for everything so it's inline with how much damage players can now do. No changes to objectives or other map mechanics.

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Oh wow. I did sort of expect something like this as it is such a difference from the other modes. Sounds like it's just more death while everyone jockeys for the train and ignore the team that's doing that and wrecking towers. Such a shame that two of the PVP rewards this series (or whatever) are the blue and red Cruise Chasers from this mode.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Oh wow. I did sort of expect something like this as it is such a difference from the other modes. Sounds like it's just more death while everyone jockeys for the train and ignore the team that's doing that and wrecking towers. Such a shame that two of the PVP rewards this series (or whatever) are the blue and red Cruise Chasers from this mode.

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I played few more matches yesterday thanks to the Revival Discord weekend events. There are three things they can/should adjust.

1. Remove LB bonus from K.Os and Assists.
2. Remove the increased LB generation from having 20 Soaring Stacks/Flying High Status
3. Change what the Gobbiejuice provides. At the moment you get 1 soaring stack and a full LB gauge from it. Replace the LB reward with something else. My suggestion would be a buff that reduces damage taken by 20% that lasts for 45-60 seconds. This change would also apply to Gobcrates since they have all three train rewards combined into one.

They can do all three things, two things or just one. I would be happy with RW if they did point 2 and/or point 3.

While it can happen, it's more rare than I first realized. In order for SMN to have Bahamut and Phoenix summoned at the same time, you need to time it with the train. If the train will provide either Gobbiejuice or Gobcrate, you can use your LB just before the capture gauge reaches 100% and get a full LB gauge immediately after. Assuming at least one of your party members is at the train platform.

Got it to pop today and man I need to figure out how to filter targets. Still the only reason why I don't like the mode. And man LBs really do be popping

They need to put it on the dailies. I will die on this hill. Otherwise they will never know if some elements are exploitable or if the game is balanced enough

It does need more love and by love I mean more attention via participation. As I said even before they turned the mode off to work on it supposedly so that it would work nicely with our current pvp kits it didn't get much attention. I remember how recently someone said I think it was CC not getting enough people playing it cause it was somehow hidden. Or maybe it was about the Feast even though both are at the top of their tab in the DF menu. Rival Wings however has no roulette as there is only one active mode atm. I wonder if they will ever bring back the other map. It is also at the bottom of the PvP tab. Then the mode just so different from the others.

I mean you have CC which now has a clear cut objective and people understand better why collecting the few things two of the map allows you to collect is a good thing to do. Then there's Frontlines where again each mode tends to have a clear understanding of what the objectives on each map are. Even if I loathe Seal Rock mostly just due to always getting the one team that spreads out too much, feeds the other two teams while not caring about protecting the team's claim on any of the nodes.

Meanwhile Rival Wings even before its return from hiatus had/has some confusing aspects. Like I know I should pop a mech occasionally but I never remember which one I should be using at times. Most matches I get people who live and die about capturing the train and will yell at you if you're not also fixated on the damn thing. Then there is the need to collect fuel so you can use the mechs when there isn't a train to fight over. I understand the bare bones of the mode which is kill the towers and then the core of the other team. While also killing the mammets as if ignored they will slowly but surely also destroy said main objectives.

I've done it thrice. Never be able to get another since then.

Rival Wings? What's that? ;3

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Meanwhile Rival Wings even before its return from hiatus had/has some confusing aspects. Like I know I should pop a mech occasionally but I never remember which one I should be using at times. Most matches I get people who live and die about capturing the train and will yell at you if you're not also fixated on the damn thing. Then there is the need to collect fuel so you can use the mechs when there isn't a train to fight over. I understand the bare bones of the mode which is kill the towers and then the core of the other team. While also killing the mammets as if ignored they will slowly but surely also destroy said main objectives.

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https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../hidden-gorge/ <- Play Guide

As for which mech to use.

- Cruise Chaser is meant for other players and mechs. They do little damage to mammets and towers/core
- Oppressor is meant for towers/core. Don't use them for defense.
- Brute Justice is good for everything. While the beam and flamethrower attacks do good damage against players and mechs, they are worthless on towers/core. The Rocket Punch attack do decent damage on everything and can stunlock players if they don't have purify off cooldown.