Ultima Thule: 6.2 Addition

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This can be seen in the background of Ultima Thule as of the last patch.

Most likely it will factor into the Beast Tribal quest there, but lets have some fun and speculate on what it is till then.

It mostly looks like a shiny light, but from some angles it'll clear up and you can actually see the object(s.)

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

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This can be seen in the background of Ultima Thule as of the last patch.

Most likely it will factor into the Beast Tribal quest there, but lets have some fun and speculate on what it is till then.

It mostly looks like a shiny light, but from some angles it'll clear up and you can actually see the object(s.)

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Remember the scene in the latest trailer where an omicron and a bunny is standing in a glowy zone? Maybe since the denizens of ultima thule gained hope its changing to match but because they have no idea what to do its currently formless.

It almost looks like a new star is forming as a result of the hope that was kindled in the recreations within Ultima Thule.

Perhaps by the end of the quests they'll have a proper place to call home.

Didn't they mention at the tail end of the plot for 6.0 that someday new life will spring forth from the rotting detritus amongst Ultima Thule? It's most likely that. The first signs and buds of new life.

Granted, I don't expect anything to come of it within our lifetime. Stars don't manifest and host novel and unique lifeforms within a fortnight.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

Didn't they mention at the tail end of the plot for 6.0 that someday new life will spring forth from the rotting detritus amongst Ultima Thule? It's most likely that. The first signs and buds of new life.

Granted, I don't expect anything to come of it within our lifetime. Stars don't manifest and host novel and unique lifeforms within a fortnight.

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Required viewing: Titan A.E.

If people want visual reference for where it is: it's a little to the left of the gloopy thing in the skybox; it can be positioned behind the landmass that looks like it has the 2300AD domes from Chrono Trigger. Interestingly, it doesn't seem to be a literal skybox element like said gloopy thing or the Cocoon or Holy Materia lookalikes, it's physically present.

It's also not there until very specifically you complete the Stigma Dreamscape, so yeah, it's a near 100% certainty it's related to the Omicrons. (You can make it disappear by NG+-ing to a point in Endwalker's story.) They do tend to add the zone elements the tribes need in the major patch before the minor patch that introduces the tribe itself.

So are the Omicrons a beast tribe now?! Such disrespect!~

Summon Skynet, we're campaigning for AI rights and we've chosen..... VIOLENCE. ahem. I mean, "persuasion." Forceful persuasion.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

If people want visual reference for where it is: it's a little to the left of the gloopy thing in the skybox; it can be positioned behind the landmass that looks like it has the 2300AD domes from Chrono Trigger. Interestingly, it doesn't seem to be a literal skybox element like said gloopy thing or the Cocoon or Holy Materia lookalikes, it's physically present.

It's also not there until very specifically you complete the Stigma Dreamscape, so yeah, it's a near 100% certainty it's related to the Omicrons. (You can make it disappear by NG+-ing to a point in Endwalker's story.) They do tend to add the zone elements the tribes need in the major patch before the minor patch that introduces the tribe itself.

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Here you go~

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

So are the Omicrons a beast tribe now?! Such disrespect!~

Summon Skynet, we're campaigning for AI rights and we've chosen..... VIOLENCE. ahem. I mean, "persuasion." Forceful persuasion.

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No, they're a tribe. The language update has gone through, the UI itself says 'tribal relations' and all that. And we're explicitly not doing any violence towards them; the Stigma Dreamscape was a simulation, and they're the gathering quest. Stop spreading weird angry nonsense.

*cues Ultima Thule music*
So what about the places that was mentioned from you know who in endwalker? o:

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Originally Posted by Rayne6665

*cues Ultima Thule music*
So what about the places that was mentioned from you know who in endwalker? o:

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Those are just areas on the Source he hinted would be interesting for the WoL to go on adventures in as his way of prodding the WoL into being like Azem - we've already visited one now since (the "ruins under the Bounty" was Alzadaal's Legacy, which, as we now know, had a hidden artificial Voidgate within it), so it's likely the other areas Emet mentioned also have interesting aspects to them.

And then he also hinted at the other Shards, saying "their civilizations might surprise you", although what he meant by that is unclear.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

If people want visual reference for where it is: it's a little to the left of the gloopy thing in the skybox

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The "gloopy thing" appears to be a planet with the molten core ripped out of the crust.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The "gloopy thing" appears to be a planet with the molten core ripped out of the crust.

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That is clearly Gaia's (attemped and failed) assimilation with Terra depicted in Memoria in FFIX, one of several references to other 'dying' worlds in previous FF games seen in Ultima Thule (the imprisioned Holy within the Planet's Core from FFVII and Coccoon crystallized by Ragnarok at the end of FFXIII can also be seen in Ultima Thule's background).

And it may just be me but the Nekropolis section reminds me very much of ruined Zanarkand from FFX in the design of the buildings, and the 'Absolute Horizon' at the threshold to the Dead Ends (the rocky platform which end up covered by the Elpis flowers) is a reference to Squall being lost in Time Compression in FFVIII's ending, right down to the flowers, to say nothing of the 'You're Not Alone!' scene of the WoL walking there (again, from FFIX but also a reoccuring theme from FFVII and VIII).

Really, Ultima Thule is one big shout out to past FF games within it in theme, ideas, and setting (and even it's very nature of 'remnants of dead worlds' is basically Wonderland from FF Unlimited, which was made up of pieces of worlds destroyed by Chaos, so take from that what you will).

I'm not really sold that it is related to the Tribal Quests. Apparently, it's not there after 6.0 Quests are finished (NG+), but rather starts appearing during 6.2. If we assume Tribal Quests require 6.0 completion as usual, they aren't related. My guess is that it's just the universe filling with life again after Meteion's nest broke, and we have subtle changes throughout 6.x.

Also, I believe Cirina has updated dialogue mentioning the black and red suns next to this sight, but not home atm to grab it.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

That is clearly Gaia's (attemped and failed) assimilation with Terra depicted in Memoria in FFIX

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Im not familiar with the original, so maybe it's an error there, but that doesn't remotely look like two planets trying to merge. The glowing bit is tethered to the innards rather than the surface.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

No, they're a tribe. The language update has gone through, the UI itself says 'tribal relations' and all that. And we're explicitly not doing any violence towards them; the Stigma Dreamscape was a simulation, and they're the gathering quest. Stop spreading weird angry nonsense.

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......Are you serious right now? It was so obviously a joke that it's somehow stopped being funny all of a sudden. None of them should have been "tribes" in the first place, their people not things, do you somehow think me lacking in wits to have understood that? I've never been happy with the beast tribes' state in-game. But fine, let's entertain this line of thought. Honestly? I actually DO think it was a mistake to change the language, because fantasy racism was always present in the game and was never failed to be looked at as "this is bad, and we should change it" hence the wake-up call of Lalas being "beast tribes" in Shadowbringers. By erasing history's mistakes we are doomed to repeat them, and I don't believe we ever truly did enough in the narrative to have the tribes magickally forgive hundreds of years of bloodshed, conflict, and petty grudges. Hate me for that stance if you will, I care not a whit.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

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......Are you serious right now? It was so obviously a joke that it's somehow stopped being funny all of a sudden. None of them should have been "tribes" in the first place, their people not things, do you somehow think me lacking in wits to have understood that? I've never been happy with the beast tribes' state in-game. But fine, let's entertain this line of thought. Honestly? I actually DO think it was a mistake to change the language, because fantasy racism was always present in the game and was never failed to be looked at as "this is bad, and we should change it" hence the wake-up call of Lalas being "beast tribes" in Shadowbringers. By erasing history's mistakes we are doomed to repeat them, and I don't believe we ever truly did enough in the narrative to have the tribes magickally forgive hundreds of years of bloodshed, conflict, and petty grudges. Hate me for that stance if you will, I care not a whit.

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i mean, the dragons and ishgard forgave each other and ended a thousand year war so why is changing beast tribe to tribal such a bad thing after everyone ingame began to work towards a better future?

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

Didn't they mention at the tail end of the plot for 6.0 that someday new life will spring forth from the rotting detritus amongst Ultima Thule? It's most likely that. The first signs and buds of new life.

Granted, I don't expect anything to come of it within our lifetime. Stars don't manifest and host novel and unique lifeforms within a fortnight.

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We'll see that right after we see the Empty restored on the First, or Unukalhai and Cyella's efforts to restore the Void, or the aether returning life to the Burn.

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Originally Posted by sidurgu-12

i mean, the dragons and ishgard forgave each other and ended a thousand year war so why is changing beast tribe to tribal such a bad thing after everyone ingame began to work towards a better future?

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Only because we forced them to. The Warrior of Light, banging stubborn loggerheads together for fun and profit since 1969~

In all seriousness, none of that would've happened had the Warrior never Arrived to Ishgard. You cannot discount our part in this. As for the tribes, well clearly you did not pay close attention to what I posted. Obviously this is just my opinion, but I didn't see us do nearly enough work or foster sufficient goodwill to make them all drop their preconceived notions of how we'd be. At best, we cured a tempered Kobold or three. I just believe that if they wanted us to come away NOT thinking that the tribes magickally woke up one morning for the Eorzean Small Council and said "Hey, these Eorzeans are actually pretty alright!" out of the Bismarck Blue then they failed to show it properly.

P.S. Why do I feel more like a mother than an adventurer half the time? Damn Eorzeans, can never solve their own sheiss....

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

We'll see that right after we see the Empty restored on the First, or Unukalhai and Cyella's efforts to restore the Void, or the aether returning life to the Burn.

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Soooo...... Never?

:D

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

Only because we forced them to. The Warrior of Light, banging stubborn loggerheads together for fun and profit since 1969~

In all seriousness, none of that would've happened had the Warrior never Arrived to Ishgard. You cannot discount our part in this.

P.S. Why do I feel more like a mother than an adventurer half the time? Damn Eorzeans, can never solve their own sheiss....



Soooo...... Never?

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i do realize we broker (and sometimes force...outright strongarm in ishgard and the dragons case) most of the change but once it got rolling everyone started to change to make it work. heck, limsa lominsa abandoned all forms of piracy and began returning land in order to make peace with the sahagine and kobolds.

edit: i feel more like a janitor than a dad. always cleaning up calamities and grudges. and paid like one in return.

I mean, if the city-states could actually solve their own problems, we wouldn't have much of a game left to play.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

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......Are you serious right now? It was so obviously a joke that it's somehow stopped being funny all of a sudden. None of them should have been "tribes" in the first place, their people not things, do you somehow think me lacking in wits to have understood that? I've never been happy with the beast tribes' state in-game. But fine, let's entertain this line of thought. Honestly? I actually DO think it was a mistake to change the language, because fantasy racism was always present in the game and was never failed to be looked at as "this is bad, and we should change it" hence the wake-up call of Lalas being "beast tribes" in Shadowbringers. By erasing history's mistakes we are doomed to repeat them, and I don't believe we ever truly did enough in the narrative to have the tribes magickally forgive hundreds of years of bloodshed, conflict, and petty grudges. Hate me for that stance if you will, I care not a whit.

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Your jokes are indistinguishable from your actual complaints. In fact, this entire paragraph is indistinguishable from exactly the thing you said was a joke, to the point where some of this is actually even less defensible than the 'joke'. I'd suggest you either get funnier or make better points, so we can tell the difference better.

You realize that when talking about the in-game terminology I'm talking about the metatextual UI stuff, right? The things that nobody in the story is saying, but is the messaging put directly to us as the player? It's fair to not use the fantasy-racist terms in that context, where they're speaking to us as the players rather than the actual characters that either are or aren't being racist.

Plus, using a less specific term opens the doors wider without leading to people trying to pull up terminology as a 'hey wait a minute', either maliciously as a gotcha or just getting confused. The term 'beast tribe' wasn't even a thing to throw around in Shadowbringers and even when it was clearly didn't apply quite right to the dwarves. In Endwalker we have the arkasodara, who aren't in any way otherized like the 'classical definition'. The Omicrons fitting weirdly by way of not even classifying as 'beasts' taxonomically-speaking. Moving into speculation, if they want the crafting tribe to be the Ancients or the Garleans, then 'beast tribe' is exactly the opposite definition to what they want, so why keep it except to be weirdly cruel and demeaning to fictional mostly-humans?

I've got no idea why you're even going on this weird ramble. Hell, your joke was already a non-sequitir, you went 'ooooh we're calling them a beast tribe, better get violent' in response to a post that didn't say 'beast' once or imply any violence. To be quite honest, the only way I can read that 'joke' in a way that actually tracks as a beginning-to-end rational thought process is that for some reason you think that I immediately want to kill anything I call a 'tribe'. Which... uhm. No. I don't.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I mean, if the city-states could actually solve their own problems, we wouldn't have much of a game left to play.

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In fairness, out of every city-state in Eorzea, four of the five seem to be doing reasonably well at sorting out their own affairs these days, only needing our help for when things go sideways. The EW role quests did a great job to show that; while we take out the Blasphemy (with help, each time) we also see the city-states taking the initiative to solve the human-level problems that gave rise to them.

Waiting on you to get started on yours, Gridania.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

In fairness, out of every city-state in Eorzea, four of the five seem to be doing reasonably well at sorting out their own affairs these days, only needing our help for when things go sideways. The EW role quests did a great job to show that; while we take out the Blasphemy (with help, each time) we also see the city-states taking the initiative to solve the human-level problems that gave rise to them.

Waiting on you to get started on yours, Gridania.

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The problem with Gridania is that their problems with the tribes haven't been relevant since Ramuh back in post-ARR. Every once in a while they talk about their isolationism, but it's never actually shown outside of a couple of sidequests and a brief set of quests with the Ala Mhigan refugees in Quarrymill around the mid-20s; or discrimination against Duskwights and Keepers of the Moon, which also never come up outside of a couple of job stories (lancer and archer); or the elementals, which never come up outside of conjurer/white mage quests as actually being a problem. They never got enough focus otherwise to even establish much. Hell, the EW role quest is the most we've ever seen in-game about Kan-e Senna's back story, while Nanamo and Merlwyb (and, for that matter, Raubahn, Lyse, Aymeric, and Hien) all get plenty of focus in the MSQ.

So at this point, I'm torn on whether I'd want to actually see Gridania get its fair share, or just move on from Eorzea and go somewhere else for a while. But I kinda lean towards the latter.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Those are just areas on the Source he hinted would be interesting for the WoL to go on adventures in as his way of prodding the WoL into being like Azem - we've already visited one now since (the "ruins under the Bounty" was Alzadaal's Legacy, which, as we now know, had a hidden artificial Voidgate within it), so it's likely the other areas Emet mentioned also have interesting aspects to them.

And then he also hinted at the other Shards, saying "their civilizations might surprise you", although what he meant by that is unclear.

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Ohhh ! Thank you :)