look, we can all agree that pvp is a hot mess right now and rewards are absolute garbage right? lets have a weekly currency for people who play CC ranked so that even those who are doing WELL but have crappy teammates don't 100% miss out on the seasonal gear. because lets face it, elo hell is real and its frustrating so lets respect everybody's time and throw them a bone otherwise CC ranked will be a whole 30 minute que every time, we don't want that now do we?
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09-01-2022, 05:50 AMTowa-Musaa BETTER way to get casuals to play CC ranked and actually STAY playing
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09-01-2022, 06:14 AMPetiteI don't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towa-Musa
Weren't you the one who, just an hour ago, was laughing at the pvp community for not having good rewards? Sorry but that's amusingly hypocritical of you ↓↓↓Quote:
Originally Posted by Towa-Musa
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09-01-2022, 06:42 AMGordonGeeko
What if... I don't want the casuals to play CC ranked ? What if I'm willing to sacrifice more queue pops for higher quality matches with people who want and deserve to be there ? What you call a mess, I call something that is slowly trying to clean itself up. More enticing ranked rewards would go a long way into finishing the job.
Where are those 30 min wait times that you speak of ? Did we ever have them ? Even in The Feast ? Were they in Bronze ranks, 2 months into the season, when everyone else has climbed or gotten discouraged ? Were they at noon on a weekday, when people were you know... at work or in school ? Because that all sounds pretty reasonable to me.
How shocking that a mode that was nowhere near as popular as Crystalline Conflict, with role restrictions for tank/healer/melee DPS/ranged DPS still managed to pop every night.
Would I prefer it if queues popped more frequently and earlier and later everyday ? Sure. But the player base is just not there to support that. And it's certainly not the "casuals" as you put it who will make games more competitive and fun. -
09-01-2022, 06:52 AMNeoyoshi
Ranked is not worth the stress, just play casual for the series exp.
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09-01-2022, 06:53 AMLubu_Mykono
slutglam plz
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09-01-2022, 06:57 AMJamieRose
There's no reason to bother with CC in its current state. Do one frontline a day, put in a perfunctory effort, collect your currency and move on.
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09-03-2022, 03:14 PMDivinemightsWe want to get people that interest with PvP to play PvP; not baiting casuals into PvP to make everything from bad to worst.Quote:
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09-04-2022, 01:32 AMKarasioBruv if you're looking for a quality pvp experience, there are actual pvp focused games out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonGeeko
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09-04-2022, 03:12 AMGordonGeekoOh I know that FFXIV PVP is extremely bad compared to some of the other stuff out there lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karasio
But I'm in the achievement hunting community where we try to do everything in the game, so I "have" to play it... a lot. I just want my experience to not be too painful and high-rank games with good players are the most fun you can get playing CC. -
09-05-2022, 12:11 AMOsmond………..ppl have a very bad habit of this. When you tell someone not to do like respecting someone’s time, they do it even more by ruining it lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towa-Musa
Other than that, I don’t think the rewards will fix the problem this time. It needs a personal ranking system on top of team rank. You would think the tiered system we have is personal, but nope, it’s team based……with randoms. The more I think about it, the more unsatisfying it is.
Certain fighting games have a 2 ranking system, one for the character and one for matches played. It would give ppl a sense of how good this person with their main and how dedicated they play the game itself. If SE were to create such a system, I don’t think ppl would worry about the tiered rank, but more on their personal rank based on the job they play. -
09-05-2022, 01:26 AMSawamura
If SE want more people play rank mode is simple. Just add a extra mode with duo/triple queue and extra rate for solo who queue duo/triple mode by themselves if they get stomp is their own fault for queue duo/triple mode by themselves.
Don´t even need some fancy reward. Serie reward/Exp is more then enough for bait casual people to queue CC and frontline.
heck we don't even get much reward with another online game fps/race car/sport/fighter/MMORPG pvp in casual mode mostly just gacha game. -
09-05-2022, 02:45 AMXylira
I won't play CC anymore, ranked or casual, regardless of whatever carrots they try to dangle in front of me. It's just not a fun game mode for me for numerous reasons.
Trying to bribe people into playing stuff they don't enjoy is a terrible solution. If you want more people to play CC, then it needs to be more enjoyable to play regardless of any rewards they might get out of it. -
09-08-2022, 07:52 AMSyln
CC is fun but since i can't handle frustration and my keyboard can't handle me, i stopped playing it during season 1 : CC rank loss is too infuriating and playing unranked CC make me feel like i'm wasting an opportunity to rank up each time i win so ... frontline for me.
The only thing that would make me play it again is the withdrawal of rank demotion which is obviously not the road they chosed to take. -
09-10-2022, 06:36 AMJamieRose
The best way to get people to play CC is to make it not suck.
You can have that idea, Squeenix, free of charge. -
09-10-2022, 07:51 AMDoozer
There's no point in playing ranked when you can be the best player out of both teams, lose, and rank down. It's complete luck and not skill. And given this is an MMO and not a strictly PvP game, the only reason to play at all is the rewards, so why waste time in ranked when you get the same amount of marks and series exp in casual.
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09-10-2022, 01:33 PMParthmakeo
I am not too miffed about the ranked reward. All rank offers is stuff for your Adventurer plate (which honestly is simple but lacking + each season is just going to add a roman numeral to it).
However the issue of PVP in general I believe is just the whole RNG factor of your team composition and players. One match you get a team who works together, then the next 3 in a row you get a team that wipes on the initial fight back to back as they don't know how to focus targets or even use heals/their abilities. Ranked CC is a slot machine if you even progress at all. I think to make the game more bearable if they choose to keep that RNG ranking a thing, you should not lose any stars until you have hit platinum at least instead of silver. Or even allow up to diamond before losing stars because at the rate things are going, people WILL just throw the towel in not cause they're bad but they have no actual control over their team or can pick who comes/form a team.
I wouldn't be this sour over the ranking if it was preset teams TBH. Least then the ranking system would make sense that you start losing stars after leaving bronze. The rewards for the actual ranked are no different from the casual ques say for the end of season stuff and there's really no big incentive to drive people who already have a version of the CC Framer Kit they already want unless they want a specific roman number tied to it. The end of season rewards are so minimal (which is for the best) Really though casual viewpoint tells me...
What is the point of Rank mode if both modes already offer the same amount of Series EXP/Wolf Marks? If they do not want to change the ranking or rewards to be more enticing for end of season, I say they need to bump the amount of Series EXP/Wolf Marks for Ranked Mode. Loss should be 900 exp and win should be 1100 exp. All the rewards that would of been bound to the Ranked mode like The Old Feast are now on the series exp anyways. 90% of the PVP rewards can be gained by daily spamming frontline with no effort.
I managed to get Platinum in my season since I think that framer kit is the best (Crystal and Diamond look too busy for my taste of card) and since i got it...I have no real reason to keep doing ranked unless they completely changed the end of season rewards beyond a number. -
09-11-2022, 01:07 AMTowa-Musa
Reading all these just kinda confirms what i originally thought of ranked in the first place tbf
CC sucks, its all rng and theres cheaters. maybe i should post these kinds of threads more often so people can see what folk actually think about this XD -
09-12-2022, 04:44 PMMagiusNecros
Eh I won't play ranked because picture frames aren't appealing to me and I just want to Gunbreaker some fools in a good old fashioned zergfest without a care for objectives. I guess if getting a high standing in Ranked meant you got max level gear and weapons with stats that rival relics and savage raids I might consider giving it a go but you don't so....
Cosmetics, picture frames, and mounts ain't gonna do it for me.
Besides I looked the other way from ranked with all the cheating and people supposedly wintrading to get max rank or be a top 100 on their datacenter.
No thanks. -
09-12-2022, 07:50 PMReinhardt_Azureheimhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)Quote:
Originally Posted by Towa-Musa
The average player enjoying CC does not join the forum to tell us about how much they love the mode; they stay in the game and play.
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09-12-2022, 08:36 PMJamieRoseThat is a logical fallacy, the "Silent Majority".Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim
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09-12-2022, 09:00 PMgeorge357pvp
well just another reason not to play this dumpster fire called pvp.
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09-12-2022, 10:20 PMOsmondUhh, may not want to use wikipedia to build an argument knowing that site changes every 5-30 secs to build their own "echo chamber"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim
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09-12-2022, 11:53 PMReinhardt_AzureheimThat is a fair argument, true. I kind of just reacted on the fly, so I suppose I was a bit lazy finding a better source.Quote:
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At most, my opinion is frankly unchanged - I believe staying in a single environment will end up just collecting like-minded opinions, at least thatthat is my personal experience on the matter. -
09-12-2022, 11:57 PMReinhardt_AzureheimPoint taken, I admit. Certainly not everyone silent actually has positive feelings, though staying in the same environment to collect data does have a higher chance to end up biased over trying to reach out different PvP communities directly and ask them for their opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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09-13-2022, 04:20 AMTowa-Musathe silent majority is why i go into the forums and post stuff they actually think about the modes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieRose
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09-13-2022, 06:57 AManna-steele
random team games are always have been a total disaster, always will be. you want good matches, you need to make your own leagues and pick teams etc. in the history of random teams there has never been a single game that has done it well. its always the same story. 10% of the time you get a good fair fun match. 90% of the time you ask yourself how some players managed to even turn their PCs or consoles on. sometimes you are the steamroller and sometimes you are the asphalt. i did infact just make these numbers up, but since im always right, they are accurate. just have to play for fun and not worry about your team and what they are doing, youll never figure them out. youll have better luck herding cats.
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09-13-2022, 06:58 AMJamieRoseWell you're not wrong about people coming in here to bitch about gameplay issues. That being said, it's not like we can just ring up Yoshi P and give him our complaints directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim
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09-13-2022, 07:39 AMPetite"[...] to bitch."Quote:
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