Excessive amount of lv50/60 synced content is dragging down the skill level?

In my experience most of the content I see people do is their daily roulettes, and often times it takes them a couple hours a day, which comprises about 50 to 80% of their daily playtime.

In these roulettes, many many times you get around lv50 synced content.
50/60/70/80 dungeon roulette is more often than not a lv50 dungeon
leveling roulette is most of the times, in my experience, a below lv50 or a lv 51-59 dungeon
trials roulette is thornmarch, a hard difficulty trial, or at best a lv60
main scenario is all lv50
alliance roulette is more often than not crystal tower, and when it's not, people just leave.

All in all most of my friends spend almost all of their combat time playing as a lv50 or 60 restricted job and never get to touch the abilities and actions at higher levels.

I have suggested them do something about it, be it queue as a full group using the level relevant option for leveling roulettes, but they just... don't do it.

And when it comes to having to actually do level cap content, such as aglaia or ultima's bane unreal, they are clueless as to what half their job's ability kit do.

not to mention, I see a lot of people complaining about others being unskilled, to which I wonder, is this a problem induced by the roulettes system?

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

And when it comes to having to actually do level cap content, such as aglaia or ultima's bane unreal, they are clueless as to what half their job's ability kit do.

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The game has a whole window that shows you exactly what each action does. If someone doesn't want to open it and have a look, that is on them. If they still cannot work it out, go and hit a training dummy and find out. To me, this just sounded like an excuse.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

not to mention, I see a lot of people complaining about others being unskilled, to which I wonder, is this a problem induced by the roulettes system?

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If people actually bothered to spend some time to learn their job, even if it is just attacking a training dummy, then there would me more skilled players. The only thing that creates unskilled players is that player's lazyness. Obviously, there are exceptions, however, for most, this is the case.

It could certainly have a part to play. But the low ass skill floor definately doesnt help. And this is kind of a design problem. They want as many people to be able to progress through the msq as possible so the floor is naturally really low. But when the skill floor is set at so low down, it doesnt make for fun or engaging gameplay. So it's a double edged sword and I dont think they've yet to sort it out properly. Granted I think the revisions to the duty system could sort some of this, but I can almost guarantee not to the extent where you couldnt clear just spamming cure 1 or the 1 in your 123 over and over. In my opinion, the fights should be balanced around assuming all members of the party will be "trying". How to approximate this? Idk, I'm not Mr Square Enix. At the moment, content seems to be balanced around people not trying more than anything. And that isnt fun at all. It makes roulettes nothing more than a daily chore, and a rather unengaging one at that.

I also feel like if SE could decide whether they want to make an MMORPG (most of the rpg is gone) or a Single Player game these sort of issues could be remedied in advance. Right now it feels like they're trying to turn a mmorpg into a single player game and I dont think this is good for the game's health in the long term.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

In my experience most of the content I see people do is their daily roulettes, and often times it takes them a couple hours a day, which comprises about 50 to 80% of their daily playtime.

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So consider why this would be. The game is always getting new players. These players have a lot of content to get through and then they might choose to level their alt jobs with their FC. Then they decide to grind out a relic weapon or all of them. They end up in all of this old content for a very long time.

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In these roulettes, many many times you get around lv50 synced content.
50/60/70/80 dungeon roulette is more often than not a lv50 dungeon
leveling roulette is most of the times, in my experience, a below lv50 or a lv 51-59 dungeon
trials roulette is thornmarch, a hard difficulty trial, or at best a lv60
main scenario is all lv50
alliance roulette is more often than not crystal tower, and when it's not, people just leave.

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This is all very irrelevant. You get into the content that people are in a queue for and want help clearing, usually for the first time but not always. My experience wouldn't agree with any of this though because I normally get level 60/70/80 dungeons, a wide variety of trials from all level ranges and alliance raids from all expansions.

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And when it comes to having to actually do level cap content, such as aglaia or ultima's bane unreal, they are clueless as to what half their job's ability kit do.

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This has nothing to do with roulettes and everything to do with their lack of interest in reading their tooltips, organizing their hotbars and practicing their rotation on a striking dummy. If they were actually interested in level cap content, they would probably at least do Expert roulette to get familiar with their rotation.

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not to mention, I see a lot of people complaining about others being unskilled, to which I wonder, is this a problem induced by the roulettes system?

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It's not, because they choose to do these roulettes when they could choose to do level cap content instead. If dungeons were made harder, rather than making people more skilled it would make them unable to clear and quit the game. If people want to be skilled they usually go out of their way to learn by joining the balance, googling information, reading their tooltips and asking questions.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

If people actually bothered to spend some time to learn their job, even if it is just attacking a training dummy, then there would me more skilled players. The only thing that creates unskilled players is that player's lazyness. Obviously, there are exceptions, however, for most, this is the case.

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The reality is it just doesn't matter. People don't bother because they don't need to. If what they're already doing is enough to clear 99.9999999999% of the games content why would they change the way they play.

At this point you actually have to try harder to fail a piece of content than you do to beat it...

And it's a problem because the game promotes laziness. Which is then rewarded by not only completing content but the devs see this average level of play and then make content easier because of it.

In making it easier players then get lazier. The devs see this and make content easier. So the plays get even lazier. And the devs make it even easier... and round and round the wheel goes

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

So consider why this would be. The game is always getting new players. These players have a lot of content to get through and then they might choose to level their alt jobs with their FC. Then they decide to grind out a relic weapon or all of them. They end up in all of this old content for a very long time.

This is all very irrelevant. You get into the content that people are in a queue for and want help clearing, usually for the first time but not always. My experience wouldn't agree with any of this though because I normally get level 60/70/80 dungeons, a wide variety of trials from all level ranges and alliance raids from all expansions.

This has nothing to do with roulettes and everything to do with their lack of interest in reading their tooltips, organizing their hotbars and practicing their rotation on a striking dummy. If they were actually interested in level cap content, they would probably at least do Expert roulette to get familiar with their rotation.

It's not, because they choose to do these roulettes when they could choose to do level cap content instead. If dungeons were made harder, rather than making people more skilled it would make them unable to clear and quit the game. If people want to be skilled they usually go out of their way to learn by joining the balance, googling information, reading their tooltips and asking questions.

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I spent months in Heavensward and Stormblood grinding out relics lol

I agree with the OP. Something needs to be done to get higher levels roulettes more often. There have been multiple jobs I finish to 90 and end up with multiple buttons that Ive never used.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

In these roulettes, many many times you get around lv50 synced content.
50/60/70/80 dungeon roulette is more often than not a lv50 dungeon
leveling roulette is most of the times, in my experience, a below lv50 or a lv 51-59 dungeon
trials roulette is thornmarch, a hard difficulty trial, or at best a lv60
main scenario is all lv50
alliance roulette is more often than not crystal tower, and when it's not, people just leave.

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As for what you get in a roulette it's based on the lowest person your match made with.. i cant remember the specifics but pretty surethey added something where it pools a duty within 10 levels of the lowest person queiing unless they drop there item levels. so in theory if everyone in the queue is 90 it should never give you a duty lower than 80...

I'd like to see the "Limiting Leveling Roulette" option shift to a general "Limit roulettes" apply to all roulettes but still work the same. 50/60/70/80, Raid, Trial, and Alliance would simply default to highest duty you can do.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

I'd like to see the "Limiting Leveling Roulette" option shift to a general "Limit roulettes" apply to all roulettes but still work the same. 50/60/70/80, Raid, Trial, and Alliance would simply default to highest duty you can do.

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A great big NOPE to this. I don't want to get Paradigm's Breach every single day. Plus this completely negates the purpose of roulettes, which is to keep all content in it active and have players fill in where needed, not just keep the high level stuff active. Unless you mean still keeping it optional and only limited to premade, which is fine.

As to the OP, if your server is accurate, aren't you on a data center that's not even a year old? I can tell you that my experience on Aether with what I get in roulette is nothing like that, but we've been an established data center for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

A great big NOPE to this. I don't want to get Paradigm's Breach every single day. Plus this completely negates the purpose of roulettes, which is to keep all content in it active and have players fill in where needed, not just keep the high level stuff active. Unless you mean still keeping it optional and only limited to premade, which is fine.

As to the OP, if your server is accurate, aren't you on a data center that's not even a year old? I can tell you that my experience on Aether with what I get in roulette is nothing like that, but we've been an established data center for a very long time.

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Is getting Paradigm's every day really much different than getting CT every day outside of not being able to watch Netflix during it? I've been extremely thankful the Moogle tomestone event has finally given me Ivalice in alliance raids.

Tbh I'd just prefer if the roulette gave a reason to actually queue for 50/60/70/80 (they still need to rename this). Because all you get is 100 poetics and 120 of the weaker tomestone for the patches. You don't get any real experience or anything worth running it for. I don't remember the last time I willingly queued for it simply because the rewards were bad. Add 20 of the stronger tomestone, and buff the experience rewards. Give us a reason to actually run that roulette.

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

Is getting Paradigm's every day really much different than getting CT every day outside of not being able to watch Netflix during it? I've been extremely thankful the Moogle tomestone event has finally given me Ivalice in alliance raids.

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Yes, because the Nier raid bosses are damage sponges and Paradigm's is pretty much a guaranteed 30 to 40 minute run because of it, no matter how good everyone is. Even worse if things go pear-shaped. I don't like getting forever CT as much as the next person, but I think any option that takes away the potential for variety is bad.

Honestly, this is why I just stopped doing roulettes. I know it's not an ideal solution, but these things always cater to the lowest possible thing you can get. Hell, I managed to grab 2 other people and start up a leveling roulette, and the 3 of us (in our 80s) still ended up in copperbell because some newbie was heading in there for the first time, and it just is what it is man. I'd be less bummed about it if I had access to my full kit even after being synced down. Just scale the potency back so that all the buttons are doing basically nothing, I don't care; I just want to practice my rotation and have some fun if I'm gonna be stuck in copperbell ffs I don't even have an aoe at that level. Maybe make it an option! That way everyone who wants to press 1-2 for 12 minutes can do that, too. And before someone mentions the possibility of players expelling genuine newbies for lacking aoe skills or tank invulns or whatever, consider the following: people in this community are so afraid of being reported, that they barely step out of line in dutyfinder content. Just make it a reportable offense to kick someone for being underleveled and most people will simply put up with it quietly, just like I quietly put up with experienced players taking off their gear and forcing me into syrcus tower 11 days in a row yeah I see you there, dude who spawned in naked with 1/10th of his hp, the whole damn party sees you and nobody's even saying anything because the only thing GMs seem to respond to is someone just telling it like it is in party chat.

I digressed a bit, but yeah. These days unless I need exp, I avoid the roulette scene like the plague and just queue the fun stuff directly. If you queue alliance raid roulette and we ever see each other in puppets bunker or orbonne (after the event ends) then yeah, you're welcome. Or sorry.
Also, to respond to the ongoing conversation, I've found that while paradigm tower is always a slog, I've seen bunker and copied factory go pretty smoothly if your team isn't huffing glass the entire time. But that's a pretty big ask of this community, to be fair.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

A great big NOPE to this. I don't want to get Paradigm's Breach every single day. Plus this completely negates the purpose of roulettes, which is to keep all content in it active and have players fill in where needed, not just keep the high level stuff active. Unless you mean still keeping it optional and only limited to premade, which is fine.

As to the OP, if your server is accurate, aren't you on a data center that's not even a year old? I can tell you that my experience on Aether with what I get in roulette is nothing like that, but we've been an established data center for a very long time.

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This isn’t a materia problem, materia is a little more susceptible to it because it’s harder to get into say ivalice raids because of the new population but roulette content being massively skewed towards level 50 content is nothing new

Of the big 4 roulettes most people run (trials levelling alliance and MSQ) one always gives level 50, one will give level 50 95% of the time and the other two give level 50 more often than no even on servers will fully established level 90 endgames

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

Is getting Paradigm's every day really much different than getting CT every day outside of not being able to watch Netflix during it? I've been extremely thankful the Moogle tomestone event has finally given me Ivalice in alliance raids.

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Yes Paradigm's is the worse because of the whiteness. I quit every time I get it or I end up nauseous with a headache and have to lie down for a few hours if I stay. SE shouldn't put unhealthy visual roadblocks (P3 is another one). However, I like the Ivalice raids even if they can be a bit long if people don't know what they are doing. The other day I ended up in a group that hit the 50 minutes mark arriving at the Math boss. I had to quit as it was dinner time. I don't expect roulette to take 1+ hour. Anyway, I rarely do roulette and get more than enough tomestones with hunts.

As for what op mentions, you can always practice a job at level on a dummy or with duty support.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

there is no skill level even in 90 dungeons what are you on about lol

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what do you mean, do you not gain access to level 90 skills in level 90 dungeons?

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

what do you mean, do you not gain access to level 90 skills in level 90 dungeons?

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As in player skill level, not actions you can use.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Yes Paradigm's is the worse because of the whiteness. I quit every time I get it or I end up nauseous with a headache and have to lie down for a few hours if I stay. SE shouldn't put unhealthy visual roadblocks (P3 is another one). However, I like the Ivalice raids even if they can be a bit long if people don't know what they are doing. The other day I ended up in a group that hit the 50 minutes mark arriving at the Math boss. I had to quit as it was dinner time. I don't expect roulette to take 1+ hour. Anyway, I rarely do roulette and get more than enough tomestones with hunts.

As for what op mentions, you can always practice a job at level on a dummy or with duty support.

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Oh wow, I didn't know that other people still had this issue after the patch they did. I do too, that raid genuinely makes me very sick. If I turn on the deuteranopia filter in the game settings I can tolerate it until the end, give it a chance next time you get this raid(it still sucks, though)

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

Not to mention, I see a lot of people complaining about others being unskilled, to which I wonder, is this a problem induced by the roulettes system?

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Roulettes are not the issue IMO. A lot of level 50/60 endgame dungeons are harder than the current experts as it is. It's a mix of the players and the design/ease of the game.

Players who are allowed to get through almost everything except EX and Savage on facemashing won't feel the urge to optimize. They are not expected to get better, the game's not updated to make the person a better player either. It's the opposite, skill ceiling and floors being squished to make up for people's mistakes and mechanics are simplified. Of course, there are just those who are lazy and will never open the action tab to read through, let alone hit a striking dummy. Doesn't help they'll have maybe 8 job abilities at level 30. What is there even to look at? By the time they're 70, let alone 90, they're set in their way of playing.

Can you blame them though? They're the main character (and maybe, not everyone's like this) being carried through 90% of the instanced content with 3 other people who will most of the time coddle them and be like "uwu we were all beginners once, it's okay if you don't AoE a pack of 50 monsters and have learned nothing so basic 100 hours into the game. We're not toxic here like that <333".

Good luck with the friends though!

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

In my experience most of the content I see people do is their daily roulettes, and often times it takes them a couple hours a day, which comprises about 50 to 80% of their daily playtime.

In these roulettes, many many times you get around lv50 synced content.
50/60/70/80 dungeon roulette is more often than not a lv50 dungeon
leveling roulette is most of the times, in my experience, a below lv50 or a lv 51-59 dungeon
trials roulette is thornmarch, a hard difficulty trial, or at best a lv60
main scenario is all lv50
alliance roulette is more often than not crystal tower, and when it's not, people just leave.

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For what it's worth, this just hasn't been my experience. I typically do Leveling, 50/60/70/80, Raid, and Alliance roulettes. Leveling is entirely a mixed bag, and if there was one level range I think I see more frequently than others, it's probably 71-79 (Holminster Switch and Malika's Well, specifically). 50/60/70/80 does probably trend toward the 50/60, but I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) there's also simply more dungeons at both of these levels compared to 70/80. If I'm thinking correctly at that, it would naturally make sense that they come up more often. There doesn't, however, seem to be any one particular dungeon that I feel pops more often than the rest. Raid roulette is entirely a mixed bag, and when I'm on a 90 class, most frequently tends to be a 90 raid. Alliance is also likewise a mixed bag. I've heard all the stories about CT raids showing up so often, but it just hasn't been my experience.

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not to mention, I see a lot of people complaining about others being unskilled, to which I wonder, is this a problem induced by the roulettes system?

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I don't see the premise of this being true. Every once in a blue moon someone might complain in FC chat about a particular DF group that became a slog, but it isn't frequent at all. And aside from that I don't see it anywhere else except these forums, where it's really just the same select group of people whining ad nauseum about everything.

What skill is required in normal raids and roulettes even at 90? You just show up and you win even if you play like an absolute candy man. Enrage and perma death has been removed long ago so there is no longer any penalty for failing or being bad anymore unless you manage to wipe. Skill issue doesn't really come into it when there is no reason for a lot of people to even bother trying. This is not something new with level 90, it's been going on for a long time now.

Most people that play this game play it casually and simply do not care about optimal rotations or gameplay, it is also not up to you to call out if these people are bad or lazy at the game or question their gameplay, just keep your head down and focus on your own gameplay. Unless you are doing actual endgame content who cares about skill. Let them get on with it. If you think it's a slog or holding you back you can just leave and let someone else join in your place.

If they brought back enrage or perma deaths again then maybe I could see a point to the complaint, but Yoshi is determined to make the core game as brain dead easy now as possible so he can reach more players. From the financial standpoint it makes absolute sense, why throw free money away? It is what it is, and personally I don't think it's that big of a deal.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

I agree with the OP. Something needs to be done to get higher levels roulettes more often. There have been multiple jobs I finish to 90 and end up with multiple buttons that Ive never used.

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I suspect you and the OP need to know you can change a setting in Duty Finder to limit the range of the duties you are stuck into. typically leveling will be no more than 8 levels under the lowest level in the group you queue with.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I suspect you and the OP need to know you can change a setting in Duty Finder to limit the range of the duties you are stuck into. typically leveling will be no more than 8 levels under the lowest level in the group you queue with.

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He can also queue for expert roulette or make his own roulette by tagging 5 level 90 duties and see what pops.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Of the big 4 roulettes most people run (trials levelling alliance and MSQ) one always gives level 50, one will give level 50 95% of the time and the other two give level 50 more often than no even on servers will fully established level 90 endgames

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That hasn't remotely been my experience on Aether. Just tonight I had Suzaku, Copied Factory and Malikah's. I saw a 50 dungeon for the first time in ages in the 50+ roulette the other day. I get a lot of Stormblood era things in that. Leveling I get a wide spectrum. I get Nier more often than not in Alliance so much that I wish there was a way to de-unlock it. I haven't seen a 50 trial in ages either. I see Lakshmi a whole lot. Aether folks also tend to do their WTs and often that's why we get pulled into random things. Someone usually mentions it.

If you want to run higher level content just sign up for higher level content. Am I missing something here? When I am running Alliance roulette I purposly strip naked so I guarantee a level 50 one. If the xp the higher level 24 man content gave was worth it then I wouldn't need to do it, but if I am getting practically the same amount of xp for over double the time then why would I waste my time. ARR 24 man raids and Void Ark are done in 15 minutes. In and out. The other ones can take upwards of 30+ minutes and you get consideribly less xp than you would if you just ran the Main Scenario roulette.

If I want to run the later ones, I'll just manually sign up for them. Currently the rewards are not worth the time investment when doing roulettes, and most people are doing roulettes for the rewards not the gameplay experience.

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Originally Posted by Asako

If you want to run higher level content just sign up for higher level content. Am I missing something here? When I am running Alliance roulette I purposly strip naked so I guarantee a level 50 one. If the xp the higher level 24 man content gave was worth it then I wouldn't need to do it, but if I am getting practically the same amount of xp for over double the time then why would I waste my time. ARR 24 man raids and Void Ark are done in 15 minutes. In and out. The other ones can take upwards of 30+ minutes and you get consideribly less xp than you would if you just ran the Main Scenario roulette.

If I want to run the later ones, I'll just manually sign up for them. Currently the rewards are not worth the time investment when doing roulettes, and most people are doing roulettes for the rewards not the gameplay experience.

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I’d love to sign up for those later alliance raids, but losers like you forcing crystal tower to proc starve the roulette of participants for the other raids

Here a fun suggestion, if you wanna drag other people through boring content because you are lazy then play a single player game

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’d love to sign up for those later alliance raids, but losers like you forcing crystal tower to proc starve the roulette of participants for the other raids

Here a fun suggestion, if you wanna drag other people through boring content because you are lazy then play a single player game

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Or just make the rewards worth it

Granted I believe that majority of difficulties in this game wanes the more you do certain content, maybe a small part of it does contribute to it. But imho it’s still largely due to:
• Said player simply don’t care about improving.
• Game rarely punishes failure; or if it does, it’s often brushed off either because your party carries you or the game gives you another means to faceroll the said punishment (Very Easy Mode)

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Originally Posted by Asako

Or just make the rewards worth it

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Yeah such a great idea, then we can all abandon crystal tower because ivalice gives more XP

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’d love to sign up for those later alliance raids, but losers like you forcing crystal tower to proc starve the roulette of participants for the other raids

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Then sign up for the later raids and force a proc. The daily reward for alliance roulette is not worth it anyway. There are more efficient ways to get tomes. I haven’t queued for AR in about 4-5 months. I just run Aglaia once per week for the token for jobs and sometimes one for WT. I get my tomes from hunt trains ( plus I get nuts and tons of materia)

I did specifically queued for Syrcus Tower yesterday on my main for my WT. I had a choice between that and Orbonne. While Orbonne is more interesting, it takes much longer for the same end result.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Then sign up for the later raids and force a proc. The daily reward for alliance roulette is not worth it anyway. There are more efficient ways to get tomes.

I did specifically queued for Syrcus Tower yesterday on my main for my WT. I had a choice between that and Orbonne. While Orbonne is more interesting, it takes much longer for the same end result.

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I love when people quote a sentence and straight up ignore what they quoted

It takes forever to force proc the higher raids because the roulette that fills the other 23 spaces is constantly being starved of participants because of CT, even during peak on the busy servers it can take over 30 minutes to get orbronne or TABP, but you know damn well the second you give up and enter the roulette you’ll be in CT in 4 seconds

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Originally Posted by Asako

He can also queue for expert roulette or make his own roulette by tagging 5 level 90 duties and see what pops.

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The latter doesn't provide the xp buff of actually queueing through roulette so....probably not a solution.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It takes forever to force proc the higher raids because the roulette that fills the other 23 spaces is constantly being starved of participants because of CT, even during peak on the busy servers it can take over 30 minutes to get orbronne or TABP, but you know damn well the second you give up and enter the roulette you’ll be in CT in 4 seconds

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not an issue on my server unless I queue at off hours. Besides, what You mention wasn’t in your post. Maybe you said it earlier but I won’t go back and read all your posts.

The XP from Alliance Roulette is poor anyway. Aside from Levellings and Frontlines, roulette doesn’t give much XP and I usually don’t bother with it.

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As much as I despise the act of iLv cheesing for depriving the other’s potential source of fun for their own gain (I understand why they do it, but I will never agree nor support it. I personally think it’s sociopathic), at the very least I think we can agree that the blame is still largely on dev’s oversight for not adjusting the reward properly.

Setting a minimum threshold for normal reward based on queued iLv to character’s minimum achievable iLv (I.e. a lv80 will only get proper reward if they queued in with iLv430 gears or higher. Anything lower than that will incur penalty that reduce their reward) could probably solve it in addition to increasing the later ARs rewards. But I’m no designer so ‘eh’ /shrug

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Until then I will keep bailing out whenever there’s a free ticket out from any CT raid that pops due to cheesing (If I spot it)

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

As much as I despise the act of iLv cheesing for depriving the other’s potential source of fun for their own gain (I understand why they do it, but I will never agree nor support it. I personally think it’s sociopathic), at the very least I think we can agree that the blame is still largely on dev’s oversight for not adjusting the reward properly.

Setting a minimum threshold for normal reward based on queued iLv to character’s minimum achievable iLv (I.e. a lv80 will only get proper reward if they queued in with iLv430 gears or higher. Anything lower than that will incur penalty that reduce their reward) could probably solve it in addition to increasing the later ARs rewards.

Until then I will keep bailing out whenever there’s a free ticket out from any CT raid.

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I’ll totally agree on that point

Square shouldn’t let the option exist in the first place but I despise people who abuse it for their own gain over the potential enjoyment of others

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Setting a minimum threshold for normal reward based on queued iLv to character’s minimum achievable iLv (I.e. a lv80 will only get proper reward if they queued in with iLv430 gears or higher. Anything lower than that will incur penalty that reduce their reward) could probably solve it in addition to increasing the later ARs rewards. But I’m no designer so ‘eh’ /shrug

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It should take story progress into consideration. I had 3 jobs at 90 on an alt at the beginning of Stormblood because of Pvp. I don’t do AR roulette unless asked to but I know of other players who reach level 90 in Stormblood even if they minimally PVP: play a single job, do roulettes and with XP buffs it is pretty easy. The thing is, You can’t even access the 400 tomestone gear before the end of that expansion and getting higher gear from the MB is totally useless (unless you want to solo certain content unsynched) as the content where it could be used remains locked behind the MSQ anyway.

There are also legitimate reasons to queue for CT even in BiS gear (WT and getting old relic weapons are examples).

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

I agree with the OP. Something needs to be done to get higher levels roulettes more often. There have been multiple jobs I finish to 90 and end up with multiple buttons that Ive never used.

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100% this ^
I have PLD DRG DNC BRD BLM.... not a clue how to play them though because everything was around level 24 or 50 when queueing.
Its also a bit down to the fact that Devs keep deleting actions each expac and leaving them fairly broken pre-expac.

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Originally Posted by Shori

100% this ^
I have PLD DRG DNC BRD BLM.... not a clue how to play them though because everything was around level 24 or 50 when queueing.
Its also a bit down to the fact that Devs keep deleting actions each expac and leaving them fairly broken pre-expac.

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the game provides you with all the means to learn your jobs. Roulettes are not the only thing in this game. Also, I get more lvl 70-80 levelling when doing roulette than sub 60 if I queue solo with a higher level job on a role in need.

I don't have an issue with player skill level in casual content. When player skill is relevant, then I start caring about it. If CT raids required a skill level to clear it, then I would care about it. I hope that makes sense.

In regards to roulettes, I really only have an issue with Alliance Raids. My issue is you can have 23 level 90s in the queue, and the one player who is level 52 will drag every single one of those players into CT. Now I get there is the limited option, the roulette isn't necessary to acquire tomes/exp, and so forth. I have even mentioned these arguments myself. However, there is just something not right about that circumstance. Not right at all. It feels extremely counterproductive towards what the devs should be focusing on: Giving the players a fun and enjoyable experience.

I would be VERY interested in seeing the numbers of the most played instances (dungeons) in the game. Prae/Castrum and the CT raids have got to be among the top, if not the top. However, at least the devs had to decency to keep Castrum/Prae out of the standard roulettes. And by that I mean they kept it that way even after the changes. I see no reason why not to yeet CT right TF out of the alliance raid roulettes, especially considering that those raids are a requisite to so much other content in the game. Make them their own roulette an compensate players thoroughly for enduring the instance for the umpteenth time, or redesign these instances to require more than one stoned braincell to complete. I know I am not alone when I say, "Why even put Aglaia in the roulette pool?"