Fishing bots on the moon

A GM could visit 22x30 on the moon (inside the cave) and see at minimum 12+ bots all fishing. Seems bots fish here for a white scrips fish.

GM's are not allowed to do anything with bots
That's the special forces task force.
You'd need to report each and every single one of them seperately with a different report on the website.

Make sure they're actually a bot before you report.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

GM's are not allowed to do anything with bots
That's the special forces task force.
You'd need to report each and every single one of them seperately with a different report on the website.

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And this is why bot armies are such a problem. I don't know a single person that would actually go through all those hoops for each invididual bot.

It's a tough situation. They could make it so the fish aren't worth so much scrip, but then fishing in general loses appeal and purpose.

The sad thing is that these guys aren't just botting and are also using a hack to remove the animation lag from some of their fishing actions, but that's apparently still not obvious enough to make them bannable.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's a tough situation. They could make it so the fish aren't worth so much scrip, but then fishing in general loses appeal and purpose.

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Fishing has appeal and purpose?

Sounds like a 50s scifi movie.

We're whalers on the moon,
We carry a harpoon,
For they ain't no whales
So we tell tall tales
And sing our whaling tune.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

And this is why bot armies are such a problem. I don't know a single person that would actually go through all those hoops for each invididual bot.

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It doesn't matter. There are gatherers ran by bots that have been reported since 2019 that are still running free in the game with the same characters and bot-ring FCs to this day.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

And this is why bot armies are such a problem. I don't know a single person that would actually go through all those hoops for each invididual bot.

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Seriously?

Over the years I've seen hundreds of threads from gamers (in various games) who seem to have their life dedicated to bot policing and don't even seem to be involved in the game itself. People who claim to have watched groups of bots for eighteen hours out of a twenty-four hour day to see if their behavior matches some set pattern. Returning to these bot farm areas day after day after day to check up on their behavior. And, yes, putting in dozens of tickets regarding the aforementioned bots.

People who are clinically obsessive or compulsive about the bots.

There are definitely, without a doubt, a slew of people who would sit there and put in fifty reports for fifty bots. Shoot, they'd do that before they make their morning coffee. The fact is that anyone who lurks or participates in online discussion about bots should accept this as a given. There's folks out there that dedicate their whole existence to the community policing of bots... and get vehemently upset when their grassroots efforts to 'prosecute' the bots come to naught.

More than anything, I'm curious why they'd bother. It can't be a gil-making scheme, or there'd be hundreds of RMT bots doing it. There's only so many hi-cordials you need to cart around, and you get more than enough white scrips for those from the custom deliveries each week. Tier 9 materia are dirt-cheap, assuming you haven't stockpiled several hundred of them already. Am I missing something obvious here? And why the wandering? What possible purpose does that serve? They're not hiding from or fooling anyone with that.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

More than anything, I'm curious why they'd bother. It can't be a gil-making scheme, or there'd be hundreds of RMT bots doing it. There's only so many hi-cordials you need to cart around, and you get more than enough white scrips for those from the custom deliveries each week. Tier 9 materia are dirt-cheap, assuming you haven't stockpiled several hundred of them already. Am I missing something obvious here? And why the wandering? What possible purpose does that serve? They're not hiding from or fooling anyone with that.

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If I had to guess, it probably has something to do with optimizing their resources. They are probably fishing to obtain scrips in between harvest periods of the ephemeral nodes. Less cost in terms of teleport fees.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's a tough situation. They could make it so the fish aren't worth so much scrip, but then fishing in general loses appeal and purpose.

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Wouldn't hurt fishing's scrips too much since ocean fishing gives plenty.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

If I had to guess, it probably has something to do with optimizing their resources. They are probably fishing to obtain scrips in between harvest periods of the ephemeral nodes. Less cost in terms of teleport fees.

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Nah, it's not that. They only have FSH leveled and only ever leave the zone to do turn-ins or change servers for...some reason.

Last I checked there was nearly 30 of them across the whole of Aether DC.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

There are definitely, without a doubt, a slew of people who would sit there and put in fifty reports for fifty bots. Shoot, they'd do that before they make their morning coffee. The fact is that anyone who lurks or participates in online discussion about bots should accept this as a given. There's folks out there that dedicate their whole existence to the community policing of bots... and get vehemently upset when their grassroots efforts to 'prosecute' the bots come to naught.

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Unfortunately for every player who is going to sit there and send in those reports (even though it's not needed, SE knows they're there), there are 5 players eager to buy gil from those bots.

Ban a bot, and another one has taken its place 3 days later.

Then there are the players who are happy with the bots because they keep the price of the gathering mats (esp the aethersands) low on the marketboard. Sometimes I wonder if that's why SE isn't overly aggressively in removing them.

I thought this was a silly thread....but recently I just cleared Mare on my Hrothgar Alt (yeah, he is very behind -_ - ) and as I went through that cave there was a big line of Fishers.
I couldn't believe it, it was actually kinda of neat to see people fishing on the Moon XD.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

GM's are not allowed to do anything with bots
That's the special forces task force.
You'd need to report each and every single one of them seperately with a different report on the website.

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In which case they would get banned 5 years later because the THREE people that work that office literally do nothing.
Oce Eureka bots were individually reported for 6 months straight by everyone in Eureka, they are still there today, raking in 700m+ in RMT gil per day.

Company either doesn't care or the STF just does not exist at all.

The funny thing about these bots is that they fly into the cave entrance, walk in, fish and cancel immediately after casting, then walk out of the cave and mount up.

You can fly in the cave.
Very Obvious.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

It doesn't matter. There are gatherers ran by bots that have been reported since 2019 that are still running free in the game with the same characters and bot-ring FCs to this day.

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Just days ago I made a thread myself about this exact spot. It's so blatant it's absurd and these bots are destroying the game's economy.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

GM's are not allowed to do anything with bots
That's the special forces task force.
You'd need to report each and every single one of them seperately with a different report on the website.

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What kind of nonsense is this? The actual duties and responsibilities of being a Game Master is for one to enforce terms of service and banish players breaking rules by gaining unfair advantage. If they aren't allowed to do that what's the point of being a GM?

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

What kind of nonsense is this? The actual duties and responsibilities of being a Game Master is for one to enforce terms of service and banish players breaking rules by gaining unfair advantage. If they aren't allowed to do that what's the point of being a GM?

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It's the job of the special forces team, and ONLY the special forces team to handle botting reports.

... now, if you want to report somebody, who you are not going to say is a bot, is causing issues by using outside software to instantly kill quest related targets the instant they spawn... the GM can take action against what is clearly a coordinated effort to harrass you when you need that monster for a quest... HINT HINT....

but, yha, apparently the INSTANT the word "bot" is said, the most they can do is fill out a form, and then move on. Can't even enter the zone to observe.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

If they aren't allowed to do that what's the point of being a GM?

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To ban people who mention dps or say bad words in DF. That's pretty much it.

They have little to no resources allocated to severe issues like botting, scamming, stealing and extreme cases of stalking and the Special task force mostly exists to trim the throwaway RMT accounts that openly hack the game, which is the bulk of the numbers we see on their "accounts banned" reports.

GM's are mostly here to give the illusion of an actively moderated game.

Sad part is even with a person that admits to running scripts not much is done outside a temporary suspension. I speak from experience, FFXIV legit has the worse moderation team ever I have gotten away with more here than any other game. They hamstring their GM staff to the point I would argue it silly to not cheat.

Giant casts are what you make, fishing on the moon.
I hope my line don't break, fishing on the moon.
We could sit forever, fishing on the moon.
We could sit together, fishing on the moon.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Sad part is even with a person that admits to running scripts not much is done outside a temporary suspension. I speak from experience, FFXIV legit has the worse moderation team ever I have gotten away with more here than any other game. They hamstring their GM staff to the point I would argue it silly to not cheat.

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So you openly admit to being an asshat. There's a shock.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

So you openly admit to being an asshat. There's a shock.

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Yup, but I am also in agreement that SE does need to improve their moderation, and expecting people with higher risk tolerance to just blindly following "da rules" is kinda a meme. If the punishment does not outweigh the benefits of the infraction why not take part? Just out a subjective metric?

A rule that is hardly enforced or lightly enforced people really should not be shocked that people weigh out the options and say whatever. Without harsher moderation this problem will not go away. Saying one shouldn't do x is kinda pointless imo.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

just blindly following "da rules" is kinda a meme

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If in some alternate universe that were actually true, humanity would be completely screwed.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

If in some alternate universe that were actually true, humanity would be completely screwed.

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I would argue humanity is already kinda screwed because of selective or light rule enforcement. If one could make say 1 million ignoring the rules then taking a fine of even 200k why not just do it? Still making profit.

In the end if I get caught so be it, I break the rules knowing the risk. Just so happens the risk is so low and recovery is so minimal I personally do not lose much of anything. In the end my priority is to myself first and foremost. Willing to bet most people that break the rules also operate on the same mindset. We do not break the rules just because it is a calculated risk we take, want people to stop make it so it is no longer profitable for the cheater either in terms of time or income.

Guess what I am trying to say I do not think people follow the rules just because more so because they are afraid of consequences.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

If in some alternate universe that were actually true, humanity would be completely screwed.

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*looks outside*
I don't even think it's a meme. People are just... you know... not following them. lol

Selective enforcement you say?

Like a famous twitch streamer setting the stream up with a bot while going to bed, to automatically do things, and them having an EMOTE made to promote them, instead of being banned for botting?

Yeah, it does amaze me when players get livid at those abusing a system when in reality those in charge of enforcing the rules against such abuse are often caught sleeping at the desk or have no power to do anything. At the very least create the illusion of something being done. It is like people have given up on SE to do anything but still get upset at the players that cheat. That is why we cheat cause SE does not do anything or very little.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Yeah, it does amaze me when players get livid at those abusing a system when in reality those in charge of enforcing the rules against such abuse are often caught sleeping at the desk or have no power to do anything. At the very least create the illusion of something being done. It is like people have given up on SE to do anything but still get upset at the players that cheat. That is why we cheat cause SE does not do anything or very little.

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But if SE ever did do something about it, it would be funny getting hundred new threads named "I'm actually innocent! Trust me!" per day for a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

But if SE ever did do something about it, it would be funny getting hundred new threads named "I'm actually innocent! Trust me!" per day for a few weeks.

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That would be a fun time, granted I do think many know the risk they are taking and understand that we could lose our accounts at anytime. Which is also why many do not do any of this stuff on their main account. I mostly use alt accounts then use over means to funnel profits to the main account.

I do think if they pulled like a witcher 3 and had some monster come and snuff you out for killing the cows in the first town would also be funny.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

What kind of nonsense is this? The actual duties and responsibilities of being a Game Master is for one to enforce terms of service and banish players breaking rules by gaining unfair advantage. If they aren't allowed to do that what's the point of being a GM?

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Great isnt it? Makes you wish for power crazy GMs like in some anime that go an kill suspicious players left and right xD

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

But if SE ever did do something about it, it would be funny getting hundred new threads named "I'm actually innocent! Trust me!" per day for a few weeks.

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I would prefer that over letting bots run rampant in the game. lol

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Yeah, it does amaze me when players get livid at those abusing a system when in reality those in charge of enforcing the rules against such abuse are often caught sleeping at the desk or have no power to do anything. At the very least create the illusion of something being done. It is like people have given up on SE to do anything but still get upset at the players that cheat. That is why we cheat cause SE does not do anything or very little.

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Your parents failed.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Your parents failed.

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I can handle shots at myself, but now I have to ask what exactly is your problem? Throughout each of our interactions I have not once took a personal shot at you. I have had disagreements but not once have I made it personal.

Are you really that annoyed by someone that disagrees with you?

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I can handle shots at myself, but now I have to ask what exactly is your problem? Throughout each of our interactions I have not once took a personal shot at you. I have had disagreements but not once have I made it personal.

Are you really that annoyed by someone that disagrees with you?

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By your own admission you are a complete douchebag.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

By your own admission you are a complete douchebag.

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I get the shots at me but taking shots at my parents because I disagree with ya seems kinda petty. All over simple disagreements.

At this point your posts against me add nothing to the thread which you accused me of in the past. Why is it okay for you to do something you had a problem of me?