Maggie in Praetorium

I wonder why in the new redesign of Praetorium they removed Maggie's name from the dialogue? We go through a lot in the MSQ to get her functioning and in the old Praetorium Maggie's name was included in the dialogue to remind folks. The devs even decided in the new Praetorium to include a cut-scene of our character paying respects before leaving Maggie, but yet they removed her name from the dialogue lol. Maybe they will bring it back in the future :)

They trimmed a bit from the "maggy experience" in there, I don't think new people will have it hit the same way it did for the old timers. *shrug* just how these things go. I wasn't there at the end of 1.0 and yet I can dig the full emptyness in a youtube vid. Others will maybe go looking for her story someday.

They removed the entire cutscene to reduce time spent in the instance. It wasn't an extremely important 2 minutes of our lives during each run.

Yeah it really bothered me. It was a really sweet thing and it made the whole magiteck part feel special. Now you're just grabbing some random magitech and shooting stuff with it, so sad. Meanwhile they kept the cinematic where you hit the cemet thing which is...pretty useless.

When we hit that bulkhead and overloaded maggie it really didnt feel good. We discarding her like it's nothing ade me feel ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Yeah it really bothered me. It was a really sweet thing and it made the whole magiteck part feel special. Now you're just grabbing some random magitech and shooting stuff with it, so sad. Meanwhile they kept the cinematic where you hit the cemet thing which is...pretty useless.

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There's a popup dialogue box where Cid mentions it's the magitek armor you used in Castrum Centri.

It's still Maggie, there's just less drama placed on it.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

When we hit that bulkhead and overloaded maggie it really didnt feel good. We discarding her like it's nothing ade me feel ashamed.

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And then she STILL saved you.

Course, hits a bit less, because she's not happy to see you, with flashing lights and sound effects that are meant to sound happy and excighted.

But, it will still be there, on youtube, and so people will learn about it from there, I guess.

Maybe ... OH... That's it

We need an "extended version" option in our cutscene book in the inn room.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

There's a popup dialogue box where Cid mentions it's the magitek armor you used in Castrum Centri.

It's still Maggie, there's just less drama placed on it.

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This. Tbh though, I really felt the entire Maggie thing could have been removed from the MSQ and nothing of value would have been lost. I mean it is never brought up again after Prae, and just feels like it's there to be there.

i mean all the build up for maggie before is still there i assume
like the instance in mor dona they just skimmed on the extra stuff in prae

Yeah, it was cut because it's on the list of things that you can cut from the Praetorium without losing anything important to the story.

I don't know how long the Praetorium is now, but before the truncation it was about 50 minutes, and famously MOST of it was cutscene. Very few other cutscenes could've been cut.

You do still get more Maggie in the Jessie unknowingly scolds the WoL and Cid for running her ragged side story where you gain the ability to shoot blanks with her.

They shaved off at least ten minutes from Praetorium. It runs closer at least when ran with duty support to what old Castrum did if you had a zippy group. So somewhere around 30-35 mins. New Castrum is around your average dungeon with duty support. I don't feel like they needed to strip that one down as much as they did.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

New Castrum is around your average dungeon with duty support. I don't feel like they needed to strip that one down as much as they did.

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Consider that they went from 'pull everything wall-to-wall" for an 8 person instance to "you can still pull things, but there are way fewer of them, since you're now in a party of, y'know, 4 players".

The silent goodbye to Maggie after overloading to blow open the door was the only cutscene that had a beat added to it instead of cut or left as was with a slight adjustment to dynamic camera movement, a longer emphasis on the WoL's sad and grateful face for Maggie's sacrifice and so the Ironworks logo is seen even with the previous cutscene cut to be a voiceover from Cid.

i have done the new praetorium and have not noticed this but their is a moment where the character bows his head in respect for his old friend.

Tbf I find it extremely silly when characters become affectionate toward a machine. The less I see of that the better, honestly. I could not care less if that thing melted in front of me beeping.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Tbf I find it extremely silly when characters become affectionate toward a machine. The less I see of that the better, honestly. I could not care less if that thing melted in front of me beeping.

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I mean, Maggie has a soul. We gave her a mammet's heart, which means she has a personality and is thus a form of forgekin. She's excited to see is, is given sapience by an act of altruism jolting her emotions awake, and rushes to save us from the exploding Praetorium even when she should have been fried by her last attack.

By all accounts, she's a friend akin to a loyal dog or horse. I'm honestly kind of disappointed that she disappears from the story after the Praetorium.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

I mean, Maggie has a soul. We gave her a mammet's heart, which means she has a personality and is thus a form of forgekin. She's excited to see is, is given sapience by an act of altruism jolting her emotions awake, and rushes to save us from the exploding Praetorium even when she should have been fried by her last attack.

By all accounts, she's a friend akin to a loyal dog or horse. I'm honestly kind of disappointed that she disappears from the story after the Praetorium.

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Tbh I really feel like everything with Maggie could have been cut from the MSQ and we'd have lost nothing in terms of lore or character. That's how little Maggie mattered in the MSQ, and why I even questioned why it was there in Prae, outside of a convenient excuse for Deus Ex Machina "save us from dying in fiery explosion".

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Tbh I really feel like everything with Maggie could have been cut from the MSQ and we'd have lost nothing in terms of lore or character. That's how little Maggie mattered in the MSQ, and why I even questioned why it was there in Prae, outside of a convenient excuse for Deus Ex Machina "save us from dying in fiery explosion".

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Rampaging through the Praetorium in magitek armor is awesome, that's why!

... or it was, like everything in the Praetorium, if you got to play it when it was brand new (i.e. before everyone sprinted through while skipping the cutscenes before they made them unskippable). I started playing only a couple months after ARR launched and that was already the SOP with those two dungeons though, so... yeah.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Tbh I really feel like everything with Maggie could have been cut from the MSQ and we'd have lost nothing in terms of lore or character. That's how little Maggie mattered in the MSQ, and why I even questioned why it was there in Prae, outside of a convenient excuse for Deus Ex Machina "save us from dying in fiery explosion".

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Well that's mostly just you not caring about a character. I personally feel like Emet-Selch could have been cut out and we'd have lost nothing, but I'm sure almost everybody disagrees with me. Same as most people will disagree with you about Maggie.

Sure you could have changed the part before Praetorium and thus Maggie's parts of Praetorium to not need to play Garlean soldier dress up. But a lot of people I think wanted to run around with one. Remember Maggie is only sentient due to a mammet's core. Also need something big enough for the WoL to carry them and an unconscious Thancred out of an exploding Praetorium. That would even work for a Lalafell. As not everyone would have a Draft Chocobo.

I mean, they might have removed Maggie seeing the WoL and being happy but added a scene where the WoL looks at her after thinking they've burnt out her core sadly and resolutely goes on. So you win some, you lose some.

Sucks, Maggie was so awesome. Every time she pushed herself to the edge to help us, even saving our life at the end of that sequence.

She is then completely forgotten in the story.

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Originally Posted by godvivec

Sucks, Maggie was so awesome. Every time she pushed herself to the edge to help us, even saving our life at the end of that sequence.

She is then completely forgotten in the story.

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It's part of why I feel like she could have been written out, as she never really serves a purpose after that. If she had gotten more quests dealing with her, or just even showed up constantly with Biggs and Wedge, I'd be against writing her out. But she never shows up again after Prae outside of the one side quest that allows you to do her little special action cannons.

How would they put her in. I'm not sure she has actual flight capability. To me unless they made it make sense it'd come off as hamfisting. As even if the WoL and the player base knew it was Maggie to others it'd look odd to have a random Magitek Reaper pop up. Specially since Bigs n Wedge show up in practically everything. Let alone one that is autonomous. Ironworks symbol painted on its side or not.

There is an underutilized 'Companion' tab for your Chocobo that hasn't really been updated since ARR. I've actually been hoping for a while that they would take a second look at it to update the available colour choices to include the Special Dyes that they added after the system was implemented (Jet Black, Metallic Gold, etc.) They could always expand that section out to include a custom-fitted Magitek Reaper Companion that you can swap in parts for with help from the Garland Ironworks crew, with its own levelling/upgrade system à la Front Mission/Xenogears. Instead of summoning a Chocobo to do FATEs with, perhaps you could have your very own Magitek partner.

All you would really need is a Lv. 50 sidequest in which Biggs and Wedge refurbish Maggie back into full combat readiness, and it would flow in seamlessly for newer players as well. The G-Warrior/G-Savior is another alternative post-Shadowbringers, although that could perhaps be a custom skin unlock for your Magitek.