I don't like FFXIV's community

Nothing here

I like the trust system too!

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

5. From Coils, to Alexander, to Omega, there and so on. Extremes as well and Savages. You'll find more and more unsavory people cursing at each other and they don't get banned. Telling people to quit the game. .

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This point has made me essentially stop high end raiding. People are toxic as hell, tend to overly hype themselves up ability wise (while also disparaging everyone else), and overall just aren't pleasant people to play with/talk to.

John Gabriel's Greater Internet F**kwad Theory has stood almost as long as the MMO scene itself.

a single post from an eleven year old account and talking about toxicity from 2.0? Can I ask what happened recently to prompt this thread?

Hm. A post made after a run that went wrong?

Yup, I'll bet on it. Because toxicity can be present in HL... But people yelling at newbies in dungeons ultra frequently ? It seems a bit grotesque.

Been playing for around a month and only bad "incident" I had so far was someone calling me a monkey :sob:

other than that it's been pretty fun so far.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Hm. A post made after a run that went wrong?

Yup, I'll bet on it. Because toxicity can be present in HL... But people yelling at newbies in dungeons ultra frequently ? It seems a bit grotesque.

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It's so strange, because I was having a discussion on another forum about how the endgame scene of FFXIV can be extremely toxic and off-putting to people. Dungeons, though? I haven't seen anything more the some passive aggression in Aurum Vale. They're generally way too easy to cause someone to tantrum at a poor sprout.

Have never experienced toxicity in game - I'm usually the one being toxic. But forums, on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Been playing for around a month and only bad "incident" I had so far was someone calling me a monkey :sob:

other than that it's been pretty fun so far.

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I play since Shb (3 years ? 4 ? Bloody senility) and had maybe a dozen of those little incidents. Most of the times when it goes wrong everybody just stay silent. Which can be damn stressful when you're a newbie and you just KNOW you f*cked up.

Maybe I'm the virtual equivalent of a capybara.

Edit : is it a new trend to yell on FF community ? 'Cause in the French community, a lot of people complain about it, but they all seem to enjoy being a special snowflake more than anything else.

(I'll slap a cheese on the head of the first person who tells me that it's normal for the French community to complain).

The community is overstated way too often. Seriously the general community(although forums are the opposite) love to make this place out to be some sort of online utopia when in reality it's kind of average?

Something I really don't like though is how every little group on FFXIV seems to actually dislike each other. It'd be one thing if there was just rpers not being interested in raids or raiders not being interested in story or anything like that, but outside the forums, in discords and on reddit I often see people who will ask for the removal of stuff they're not interested in. There's no tolerance at all. It's not enough to just not interact with something.

Every online gaming community in existence has some of these people, but you are making it out to seem like that's the majority of the community which is most certainly is not. I pug almost exclusively and the overwhelming majority of my interactions with people have been positive.

That's not say the community is perfect, no community is. But it's leagues better here than other places like the cesspit otherwise known as WoW.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Edit : is it a new trend to yell on FF community ? 'Cause in the French community, a lot of people complain about it, but they all seem to enjoy being a special snowflake more than anything else.

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French community complaining? Nah... that could never be true :O

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Edit : is it a new trend to yell on FF community ? 'Cause in the French community, a lot of people complain about it, but they all seem to enjoy being a special snowflake more than anything else.

(I'll slap a cheese on the head of the first person who tells me that it's normal for the French community to complain).

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That's actually really enlightening, because you'll hear "NA complain the most" a lot around here.

I think the GCBTW meme got too strong, and when people encounter an interaction that could be read in any way as negative it's warped into this ultra-slight against them. Kind of like how a tiny black splotch is most prominent in a pure white room. FFXIV has an illusion of the perfect community, but we're all just people, and not all people get along.

*checks OP's server*

If Crystal DC is that bad, then no wonder nobody goes to it.

Name a community that isn't filled with a-holes in some capacity. Literally impossible to do.

High School, Church, place of employment, there is always the same type of people that make any community terrible by association.

10 years is a long time to not grow completely desensitized to the garbage people of this community so I'm going to take it something happened and OP is just lashing out at everyone, like Flanders did in that one episode of the Simpsons.

I haven't seen people want the removal of something; just for the devs to stop focusing on certain things they deem as unimportant.

But that's usually because of a selfish desire to make the game better for themselves; it's less hatred and more that they don't care about other sub communities as long as they get what they want.

Of course this does bring conflict in when two communities advocate for their content to be favored over others. Or if two flavors of content clash.

In the end, it's not just enough to not interact with the thing. People need to understand and be at peace with the fact that the stuff they like the most may not get as much focus as they like since FFXIV gaze shifts all the time.

Trying to generalize any one person's anecdotal experience to an entire community is unlikely to end well. If I were to try doing the same with mine, it would be the polar opposite. My group experience is mainly with random people in DF, and in ~7 years of playing I can still probably count on one hand the number of toxic people I've encountered. I'm also on Gilgamesh, which is a larger server, and I never see the chat stuff mentioned by the OP (maybe that's a Balmung-specific thing?).

What I do encounter are a lot of people relaxing, chatting, and having fun. Maybe it's because I don't care for extremes and savages, which by their nature tend to funnel the cesspools of any community. But the community I've come across throughout these years has been very positive.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

5. From Coils, to Alexander, to Omega, there and so on. Extremes as well and Savages. You'll find more and more unsavory people cursing at each other and they don't get banned. Telling people to quit the game.

6. You got people screaming at novices cause they don't know every mechanic before a fight in a basic 4 man leveling dungeon cause they are so tired of farming tomes they take it out on others.

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I have straight up never seen either of these happen. Am I just lucky, or...?

Hey!

Hey buddy! Yeah, I'm talking to you.

Come to Jenova. Your problems will go away. :D

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

I play since Shb (3 years ? 4 ? Bloody senility) and had maybe a dozen of those little incidents. Most of the times when it goes wrong everybody just stay silent. Which can be damn stressful when you're a newbie and you just KNOW you f*cked up.

Maybe I'm the virtual equivalent of a capybara.

Edit : is it a new trend to yell on FF community ? 'Cause in the French community, a lot of people complain about it, but they all seem to enjoy being a special snowflake more than anything else.

(I'll slap a cheese on the head of the first person who tells me that it's normal for the French community to complain).

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That's something I don't get either.
I keep seeing people say something about people yelling/ screeching/ screaming at them in dungeons and I'm like... what? Where? And what do they even classify as that?
When someone uses yelling/ screeching/ screaming, I think of something like tank died and writes "HEALER ???? -.- are u blind??" or a dps ate several aoes and healer goes "OMG stop standing in shit are u dumb??". And those things would get you a one-way ticket to GM jail or even banned.

I think I've seen this behaviour only once and the person got reported, they got really abrasive, capslock warrior, insulted etc., maybe more but that's really the only one I can remember.
The rest was more passive-aggressivenes under the guise of being nice like "you have mitigation in case you didn't know, I'll even give you time to look for those buttons now : )))" but even that is fairly rare. Mostly people just stay quiet or if someone write "sry my bad" they just get a few "np/ no worries/ happens" and that's it. I wouldn't classify things like "you can go faster than at snail's pace, u know?" as yelling and why dramatize and inflate things for more attention if it results in the opposite and just makes people suspicious?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQB7qJ8tLXM

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

*checks OP's server*

If Crystal DC is that bad, then no wonder nobody goes to it.

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I dont think its any worse than any other server out there personally. see these threads occasionally, and I get it, some people have a horrible experience. but I have to wonder how that is. never run into anything like this, never been told to kill myself, been yelled at or abused. have to admit I generally avoid Limsa, but, when I first started I played on a potato computer and it didnt handle crowds well, just kept that habit going.

sorry to hear the OP has had over a decade of horrible experiences in game... hope the next one is better for you.

Being fair, the experience is ofc gonna vary depending on many factors. I've seen a few of these happen over the years buy I'd never say it's constant. I just wonder about things like your choice or circle, how things are conducted with others n so one n so forth.
May try new servers? Or some DC travel to meet new folks

Really sorry you've had such a bad experience, OP. I've been playing since 1.0 and I've had a handful of these encounters. On the bright side, I've had many more neutral/good encounters than terrible ones, but I can understand how crappy it feels. It's important to acknowledge that these types of people exist and that we all have different experiences running content. I think it's biased to say whether the community is purely good or terrible since we can only speak from personal experience, though. I'm just sorry that you have had more negative than positive encounters. I can understand how that would push you to stop playing the game.

Whether you come back later or not, I hope you end up finding a community where overall you get treated neutrally / better.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

1. From the very start of 2.0 I've had people tell me to kill myself or that I should quit. One instance i remember is doing Amdapor Keep for the first time and we all wiped on the last boss cause the Tank rushed in and no one knew the mechanics. Told me directly I should quit and how horrible I was when I asked if we could try again. This was very common behavior in this time period.

2. Poor GMing. You'll have some people catching bans but them you take a look at Balmung shout chat and see people talking about animal genitalia, their mods that give their characters animal genetalia, you can see people in the shout chat talking about other fetishes nonstop all day and people who have done it for years which I won't name but just spend a few seconds there and you'll see some disgusting dialogue being spammed. Even in say chat.

3. People promoting their Discords 24/7 in party finders, shout chats. These same discords dictating content like Eureka nonstop. Making it hard to even get anything done since a Discord decides it wants to control BA and you're not allowed. You have people insta pulling everything so people miss out cause no one cares.

4. Hunts all the years of them getting instapulled and people missing out.

5. From Coils, to Alexander, to Omega, there and so on. Extremes as well and Savages. You'll find more and more unsavory people cursing at each other and they don't get banned. Telling people to quit the game.

6. You got people screaming at novices cause they don't know every mechanic before a fight in a basic 4 man leveling dungeon cause they are so tired of farming tomes they take it out on others.

I'm sorry but this community is not good in any sense of the word nor has it ever been no matter what anyone says.

And with that, I am done with this game. Been here since 1.0 but I'm ready to move on to something else like offline games.

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Indeed, but watch out for the incoming defenders! Best of luck! <3

I have only come across two slightly toxic tanks but that is about it. Sure every game has toxicity but in general FF is pretty chill and the GM will come down hard on harassment. Heck I came from one of the most toxic games back in its prime and that is COD and the lvl of toxicity I experienced there is something else lol. FF toxicity is childs play imo two totally different leagues, players tend to be passive aggressive at times but that is about it because if any toxicity goes on in the game and the GM can easily investigate it and guess what they hit those offenders with a ban hammer so fast it would make there head spin.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Report and move on.

You won't make this better by fighting with a jerk. You'll just make things worse for everybody else around you, and make the jerk think they are justified (because human brains are strange, that's why).

Just, file a report. If they are over the line, they go away. Then they come back even angrier and promptly get ban 2, and repeat for 3, and gone forever.

Getting away with it is what lets trolls get worse over time. Folks who want reactions, you deny them that by not giving in and fighting then. Report, and move on with your life.

Okay,
bye
have fun
I should finish my other games too

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

*checks OP's server*

If Crystal DC is that bad, then no wonder nobody goes to it.

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crystal dc is where all the erpers and snowflakes go. it is literally the festering hole of the NA servers.

They're from Crystal, but I wonder if they decided to check the other DCs. Oh well. They left. Life goes on.

Someone forgot to put up tank stance at the start of a dungeon or something, uh?
I'll grant OP one thing, I experienced more salty banter in the ARR days than in the rest of expansions put together.

At any rate we have only our personal experiences to share, so that doesn't really mean we hold the whole truth.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

*checks OP's server*

If Crystal DC is that bad, then no wonder nobody goes to it.

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It isn't that bad. I have probably only had encounters with 5 toxic people in 4 years on Crystal.

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

crystal dc is where all the erpers and snowflakes go. it is literally the festering hole of the NA servers.

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I've experienced more crap on Aether than I've experienced on Crystal despite not playing on Aether as often.

And part of why I left Primal (where I was when I first started playing) because of the toxicity I had been encountering there.

Crystal is fine.

The problem isn't the data center or even the game. The problem is a tiny percentage of people who choose to be hostile over stupid stuff. But you'll find those people in any online multiplayer game and most of those communities are far worse than this one.

I can wish the OP luck but if he's that sensitive to this community he might as well give up online gaming.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

It's so strange, because I was having a discussion on another forum about how the endgame scene of FFXIV can be extremely toxic and off-putting to people. Dungeons, though? I haven't seen anything more the some passive aggression in Aurum Vale. They're generally way too easy to cause someone to tantrum at a poor sprout.

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Confirmation bias, or what have you, but there are several primary reasons I deliberately play casually for all MMOs (I don't think this is exclusive to FFXIV).. and personally I find unless you're with a close knit group of friends that the 'late' game content just produces stress and 'work' for something that I should be relaxing to (imo). Having done 'hard' content I've no doubt if I had the group and time I could do it, but if someone was like "do you want to?" the answer is a hard no thanks.

I've seen lazy behavior in all content, like leeching in alliance content or pvp to failing horribly to learn / attend to mechanics that wipe the group, but in terms of anger and large amounts of stress- particularly from others? Almost exclusively that 'hard' content.

Hard content is fun, but I don't think you can get me to want to do it in an MMO unless it was part of my job duty... like for bug / quality testing with coworkers or if I was streaming or something. Otherwise I'll take my 'hard' in single player content or things that have Elden Ring like structure.

Not that I'm saying purge all the hard stuff, I think it's good for those people who need that (though I also appreciate SE, later when it's no longer 'current', making it accessible to me too lol).

By the way, it's a great community.

well i have lived on ceurl sence arr and have been very happy to be part of it i stay away from savage too crazy and too toxic the rest is fine.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I've experienced more crap on Aether than I've experienced on Crystal despite not playing on Aether as often

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Don’t judge me lol

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Originally Posted by Vatom

Don’t judge me lol

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I'm not judging you or anyone else on Aether specifically.

The vast majority of players are good, decent people who just want to have fun playing a game.

But damn the toxic BS I encounterd on my Siren alt, especially in the Novice Network when the character was still in it, was out of control. Some of what was going on in that Novice Network was worse than anything I've ever seen passing by the Quicksands on Balmung.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

John Gabriel's Greater Internet F**kwad Theory has stood almost as long as the MMO scene itself.

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This.

This was my forum sig on the wow forums til they removed them.