Let's Talk About the Awesome Quality of Side Stories in this Game (Minor Spoilers)

Since a troll thread was thrown out there of course bad-mouthing every single thing possible in the game, I figured let's balance it with a more honest assessment :)

I LOVE the side stories in FFXIV. They're varied in style, and I love how they find ways to link some of them together in unexpected ways that makes you smile when you realize the connections and callbacks. My favorite so far has been the side quest in Sharlayan to find the rogue Carbuncle and the realization that it's Tataru's from a loooong time ago that she thought was a failure. Instead it turns out she created one of the strongest carbuncles ever (able to survive without the direct connection to its summoner).

Then you have things like the role quests. Each one has a distinct theme, AND they contribute significantly to world-building to boot. (Anyone raising their eyebrows about how the same people complain the Hildibrand relic idea wouldn't be world-building, but then complain that the role quests ARE world-building?) And by separating them by role instead of each individual class, it's much more accessible to a wider population who doesn't have the time to level each and every class, but can at least get one of each type going. They still experience the full story.

Then there's things like Hildibrand. Pure fun. Silly comic relief that doesn't pretend to be anything but silly comic relief. A breath of fresh air that I think we all need when playing a game.

The effort they put into even the small side-quests at the hubs and give them meaning is impressive.

How about we talk about the fact that every time legitimate criticism pops up about this game now someone wets their pants and screamcries making a thread that is the exact opposite of the one that got them going.

This is getting ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Denji

How about we talk about the fact that every time legitimate criticism pops up about this game now someone wets their pants and screamcries making a thread that is the exact opposite of the one that got them going.

This is getting ridiculous.

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Welcome to the world of extremes, enjoy your stay, lol.

That said, the pld questline was pretty sweet. I wonder if the Criterion dungeon will touch more on that or if that reveal will stick with the pld questline.

I really liked the Hildibrand side quests lol i had few laughs here and there but most people just do them and skip the cutscenes. Im all caught up ready for the relic weapon xD

I always really appreciated the side quests in Stormblood. The MSQ touched upon the situation of people in the occupied territories but the side quests really gave you insight into their struggles. So when we were trying to help kickstart their economy again after liberation with that storyline about the salt flats, it really hit home a lot more for me because I had stronger context than the MSQ contained.

Bad taste thread.

Just because someone posted a viewpoint that you disagreed with that does not make it a troll. Nor does it make it OK to play tit-for-tat, actually makes you even worse, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Denji

How about we talk about the fact that every time legitimate criticism pops up about this game now someone wets their pants and screamcries making a thread that is the exact opposite of the one that got them going.

This is getting ridiculous.

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A lot of those "legitimate" criticism aren't constructive at all, dismissive with people that disagree, vitriolic sometimes or just obvious troll that use arguments so silly you wish you had a real ignore feature that made anything they do invisible to you.

Legitimate criticism aren't frowned upon, the hrotgar/viera megathread is a perfect exemple of that.

I still love Alexander, although my love of giant robots should be no surprise to anyone by now.

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Originally Posted by Denji

How about we talk about the fact that every time legitimate criticism pops up about this game now someone wets their pants and screamcries making a thread that is the exact opposite of the one that got them going.

This is getting ridiculous.

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at least now I can make a bet on which topic will get the most likes. So, who are you betting on?

I generally enjoy them. Nothing stands out as particularly awful. They're not so much side quests as they are bonus content. There are a lot of hidden gems here and there, whether it's more background on a character, a nod to a meme or some social commentary.

The focus in that other thread was on the EW role quests. I feel like those did their job of wrapping up different story points that didn't necessarily fit into MSQ. I knew there would be more to Arenvald's story and rather than shoehorn it into MSQ, they gave it its own space. Roles didn't feel forced into odd situations.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Since a troll thread was thrown out there of course bad-mouthing every single thing possible in the game, I figured let's balance it with a more honest assessment :)

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I'm not even going to bother reading the rest. This first sentence tells me EVERYTHING I need to know. You saw a legitimate criticism of the game, had a stroke because someone dared not worship the ground Yoshi P stands on, and decided to make an actual troll/bait post to keep up the illusion that all is well.

I almost forgot : Dark knight job quest lv 30 to 50 are my favorite quests and i wish there were more like that.

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Originally Posted by Denji

How about we talk about the fact that every time legitimate criticism pops up about this game now someone wets their pants and screamcries making a thread that is the exact opposite of the one that got them going.

This is getting ridiculous.

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It gets a bit tiring seeing largely the same posters run multiple threads writing essays about how much they dislike this game story over minor grievances...

Not going to lie, for me i would have preferred a Garlemald focused expansion seeing how the story excels when having a slightly political tone, and would have preferred less focus on Zenos since he is a black hole for the political. But still i found enjoyment and satisfaction from both the main story and the side-stories.

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Originally Posted by Syln

A lot of those "legitimate" criticism aren't constructive at all, dismissive with people that disagree, vitriolic sometimes or just obvious troll that use arguments so silly you wish you had a real ignore feature that made anything they do invisible to you.

Legitimate criticism aren't frowned upon, the hrotgar/viera megathread is a perfect exemple of that.

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People need to realize that criticism itself can be open to critique. Someone disagreeing with a particular point of criticism doesn't mean they're refusing to accept any negativity.

They might just think that particular criticism is not argued or reasoned well. Or y'know, it just kinda sucks as critique.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Since a troll thread was thrown out there of course bad-mouthing every single thing possible in the game, I figured let's balance it with a more honest assessment :)

I LOVE the side stories in FFXIV. They're varied in style, and I love how they find ways to link some of them together in unexpected ways that makes you smile when you realize the connections and callbacks. My favorite so far has been the side quest in Sharlayan to find the rogue Carbuncle and the realization that it's Tataru's from a loooong time ago that she thought was a failure. Instead it turns out she created one of the strongest carbuncles ever (able to survive without the direct connection to its summoner).

Then you have things like the role quests. Each one has a distinct theme, AND they contribute significantly to world-building to boot. (Anyone raising their eyebrows about how the same people complain the Hildibrand relic idea wouldn't be world-building, but then complain that the role quests ARE world-building?) And by separating them by role instead of each individual class, it's much more accessible to a wider population who doesn't have the time to level each and every class, but can at least get one of each type going. They still experience the full story.

Then there's things like Hildibrand. Pure fun. Silly comic relief that doesn't pretend to be anything but silly comic relief. A breath of fresh air that I think we all need when playing a game.

The effort they put into even the small side-quests at the hubs and give them meaning is impressive.

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"If you have a different opinion than me you're a troll"

Troll threads don't tend to be so long they surpass forum text limit and half to be broken into two entire posts because they have so much to say. But you do you.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

It gets a bit tiring seeing largely the same posters run multiple threads writing essays about how much they dislike this game story over minor grievances...

Not going to lie, for me i would have preferred a Garlemald focused expansion seeing how the story excels when having a slightly political tone, and would have preferred less focus on Zenos since he is a black hole for the political. But still i found enjoyment and satisfaction from both the main story and the side-stories.

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Zenos was the best part of Endwalker, fight me

In Shadowbringers, there is a sidequest in Kholusia. You see an extremely well-dressed woman who is clearly from Eulmore. Basically, she is there because there's a woman nearby who was her servant in Eulmore. However, the lady's husband was attracted to this woman, and so the lady started mistreating her violently. So the woman ran away and left Eulmore.

Now that the story's advanced after Eulmore, and the people are nice now, the lady is filled with remorse, and wishes to apologize. But she is scared to approach the woman, thinking that she has no right to even speak to her after what had happened. So she gives you a letter and asks you to go meet with her.

After reading the letter, the woman agrees to meet with the lady and hear her apology. HOWEVER, THE QUEST ENDS THERE! WE DON'T GET TO SEE THEM RECONCILE! WTF?! COME ON, GAME!!!

ANYWAY, that was quest really stood out to me but I was a little disappointed with how it ended.

The postmoogle quests will always be one of the best examples of storylines and how oddly interconnected things can be sometimes.
If the concept of postmoogle had continued for each expansion to give a bit more of a wrap on storylines, that would be kinda neat.

The big twist in DRK job quest was just so wild, it is unique (at least within ff14), and just not going to be able to be repeated.

How all the little stories happening in the background when your a sprout starting out in ARR just slam into eachother, crash into PotD, and then end with wedding rings like that...

The FOUR LORDS in the back half of stormblood... remember how everybody said, they CAN"T be primals, nobody is being tempered.... we need to come back to this now that the truth is out there.

I've got my spectacles emote, and I don't regret that side story.

So much of the ARR that got trimmed out to make it more streamlined would make lovely side quests. I'd gladly help mom-cat make a new batch of perfume.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

The FOUR LORDS in the back half of stormblood... remember how everybody said, they CAN"T be primals, nobody is being tempered.... we need to come back to this now that the truth is out there.

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I'm pretty sure we're exploring this in Myths with a couple of the events in that storyline. Especially since the latest moogle tomestone event right before Aglaia launch gave tomestones for those trials. I don't think they're primals, though. They often used the moogle tomestone events to hint at things. That event also gave tomestones for Void Ark.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

the pld questline was pretty sweet.

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You like the Paladin quest line, your sense of taste is already questionable at best.

That being said, Aldis is best boy and I demand to have more of him in-game.

I suspect there has to be something horribly wrong in the english translation of the paladin questline.
I really REALLY don't understand why the paladin soul stones are at war with eachother.

I really enjoyed the side quests with those little Doman kids and their "Adventurers Guild". It was really sweet, adorable and funny at times. Then I also really liked the one in the Crystarium where you got to welcome a new born baby into the first as the Warrior of Darkness. I'm a sucker for babies and newborns. :D

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm not even going to bother reading the rest. This first sentence tells me EVERYTHING I need to know. You saw a legitimate criticism of the game, had a stroke because someone dared not worship the ground Yoshi P stands on, and decided to make an actual troll/bait post to keep up the illusion that all is well.

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Or, I saw a troll and decided to respond in kind and give a nice little place for people to be positive :) You can kindly see your way out now.

Nope. Straight up petty thread.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Or, I saw a troll and decided to respond in kind and give a nice little place for people to be positive :) You can kindly see your way out now.

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What's stopping you from being positive in the other thread? If the trolls are using skewed facts or flat out lies then wouldn't it be easy to dismantle said arguments?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Since a troll thread was thrown out there of course bad-mouthing every single thing possible in the game, I figured let's balance it with a more honest assessment :)

I LOVE the side stories in FFXIV. They're varied in style, and I love how they find ways to link some of them together in unexpected ways that makes you smile when you realize the connections and callbacks. My favorite so far has been the side quest in Sharlayan to find the rogue Carbuncle and the realization that it's Tataru's from a loooong time ago that she thought was a failure. Instead it turns out she created one of the strongest carbuncles ever (able to survive without the direct connection to its summoner).

Then you have things like the role quests. Each one has a distinct theme, AND they contribute significantly to world-building to boot. (Anyone raising their eyebrows about how the same people complain the Hildibrand relic idea wouldn't be world-building, but then complain that the role quests ARE world-building?) And by separating them by role instead of each individual class, it's much more accessible to a wider population who doesn't have the time to level each and every class, but can at least get one of each type going. They still experience the full story.

Then there's things like Hildibrand. Pure fun. Silly comic relief that doesn't pretend to be anything but silly comic relief. A breath of fresh air that I think we all need when playing a game.

The effort they put into even the small side-quests at the hubs and give them meaning is impressive.

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It wasn't a troll post. This is the problem with this game's general community. Accept that there are aspects in this game that need improvement and stop white knighting for everything. I love this game so much, but I also recognize many of its flaws. That is why people speak out against it. We want this game to be better because we love playing it and don't want to see it burn out. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by chaotix69

It wasn't a troll post. This is the problem with this game's general community. Accept that there are aspects in this game that need improvement and stop white knighting for everything. I love this game so much, but I also recognize many of its flaws. That is why people speak out against it. We want this game to be better because we love playing it and don't want to see it burn out. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Nothing lasts forever. We are at the WoW stage of the fans having issues with the direction of the game and it's inconsistent lore while the rest goes "Oh, they are just haters." ad nauseum. At this point enjoy the slide down and duck out when it gets too much. We are still having fun at the moment, why burden yourself with that pesky foresight, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Nothing lasts forever. We are at the WoW stage of the fans having issues with the direction of the game and it's inconsistent lore while the rest goes "Oh, they are just haters." ad nauseum. At this point enjoy the slide down and duck out when it gets too much. We are still having fun at the moment, why burden yourself with that pesky foresight, lol.

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Nobody learns from history sadly, or rather, not nearly enough do.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Nothing lasts forever. We are at the WoW stage of the fans having issues with the direction of the game and it's inconsistent lore while the rest goes "Oh, they are just haters." ad nauseum. At this point enjoy the slide down and duck out when it gets too much. We are still having fun at the moment, why burden yourself with that pesky foresight, lol.

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This games lore is anything but close to the state of WoW lore. Especially since wow's lore has been an absolute mess from it's inception such as the entire faction system and the night elves becoming beholden to an alliance they have zero connection too.

What is this?
A positive thread?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/51...46f8b9a5fd.jpg

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Originally Posted by Denji

How about we talk about the fact that every time legitimate criticism pops up about this game now someone wets their pants and screamcries making a thread that is the exact opposite of the one that got them going.

This is getting ridiculous.

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This wouldn't even be a problem if people could just make criticism in a non-toxic way.
The problem with '' criticism '' here ( and in most places really ) is that it's toxic as hell, and people act like it's not just their opinion but some objective fact that is just obvious.
And if you can't give criticism without personally insulting and attacking the devs then there's no real value to it, you just come across as a screeching child and the devs are just going to ignore it.

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Originally Posted by chaotix69

It wasn't a troll post. This is the problem with this game's general community. Accept that there are aspects in this game that need improvement and stop white knighting for everything. I love this game so much, but I also recognize many of its flaws. That is why people speak out against it. We want this game to be better because we love playing it and don't want to see it burn out. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Just because you think something isn't good doesn't make it objectively bad.
The problem is that people are being extremely toxic in how they deliver their feedback if you actually take a look around the threads and they talk about it as if it's some objective fact that everyone agrees on and that anyone who disagrees is a '' white knight '' and that the devs and writers are stupid and incompetent.

The person in question this thread is referring to I think had something like 60 threads in less than a year that are all like this, every single on has like paragraphs after paragraphs of personal attacks and insults towards the devs and are just extremely hyperbolic.
And that was last time it wouldn't surprise me if they'll be up to like 100 soon.